Topic ID 2703
http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/ketchup%20and%20mower%20thief%20gets%20an%20asbo.lpf "Dean Cakebread, 19, of Hutton Close, Sele Farm in Hertford, has been barred from entering any garden shed or garage in Hertfordshire for the next two years without the prior consent of the owners." Isn't that the law that applies to everybody? And does it mean that in 2 years time he CAN enter a shed without the owner's permission?
Reply ID 38893
Oooooo Sele Farm [;)]
Reply ID 38894
You've got to wonder what you have to do to get more than a slap on the wrist these days. This guy has his own spot in the Mercury every week. Now if he put his bin out on the wrong day...
Reply ID 38899
LOL! Good thing we dont have a shed
Reply ID 38901
And for a moment there I thought they'd written an article about 4x4s parked on the grass...
Reply ID 38913
quote:It all happens down Hutton Close you know!
Originally posted by SallyB
And for a moment there I thought they'd written an article about 4x4s parked on the grass...
Reply ID 38918
Maybe it means that he will have a more severe penalty than you or I if we entered said shed without permission? More than likely not I suppose, another slapped wrist and a warning!
Reply ID 38919
Ooooh look, I just got 3 red stars! (off topic I know, but it's really exciting!) [;)]
Reply ID 38926
quote:
Originally posted by James007
Admin - Am I allowed to say this? Deen Cakebread. If you ever try to enter my premises, my land or try to take my possessions or inflict pain on my family........ I will break your knees and back so you that you cannot trouble nice people ever again. Thanks. I would agree, especially if he touches my HP Sauce and Tommy Ketchup, I'd be Sandwichless [;)] Or is that over the top?
Reply ID 38981
quote:I think it removes the likelihood of mistakes or excuses. I also think that it is a fair enough response to what was a minor offence.
Originally posted by JohnSmith
http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/ketchup%20and%20mower%20thief%20gets%20an%20asbo.lpf "Dean Cakebread, 19, of Hutton Close, Sele Farm in Hertford, has been barred from entering any garden shed or garage in Hertfordshire for the next two years without the prior consent of the owners." Isn't that the law that applies to everybody? And does it mean that in 2 years time he CAN enter a shed without the owner's permission?
Reply ID 39012
I don't think having expensive garden tools and/or lawnmowers being nicked or tampered with a minor offence. I hate the term "petty crime" too. Its not "Petty" its thieving and its wrong.. if you cannot even send the kids this message you have no hope....
Reply ID 39019
quote:This is a more serious offence........ http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/driver%20in%20rail%20crossing%20crash%20could%20be%20jailed.lpf And so is this.......... http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/driver%20in%20rail%20crossing%20crash%20could%20be%20jailed.lpf And there are far more serious offences daily in Hertfordshire and beyond. On the scale of offences, taking a few things from a shed is minor.
Originally posted by Drama Queen
I don't think having expensive garden tools and/or lawnmowers being nicked or tampered with a minor offence. I hate the term "petty crime" too. Its not "Petty" its thieving and its wrong.. if you cannot even send the kids this message you have no hope....
Reply ID 39022
quote:Oooooo Sele Farm [;)]
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This is a more serious offence........ http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/driver%20in%20rail%20crossing%20crash%20could%20be%20jailed.lpf
Reply ID 39024
But what if it was his third offence this year? And what if it was YOUR lawnmower?
Reply ID 39025
quote:It WAS MY lawnmower.
Originally posted by JohnSmith
But what if it was his third offence this year? And what if it was YOUR lawnmower?
Reply ID 39046
quote:Are you trying to say something ?[;)][:)]
Originally posted by Stevequote:Oooooo Sele Farm [;)]
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This is a more serious offence........ http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/04/19/driver%20in%20rail%20crossing%20crash%20could%20be%20jailed.lpf
Reply ID 39153
Sorry Admin but how comes Steve gets away with blatantly antagonistic threads?
Reply ID 39160
quote:Think Jekyll & Hyde. Or perhaps John Hurt and alien.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Sorry Admin but how comes Steve gets away with blatantly antagonistic threads?
Reply ID 39161
quote:It but pains me to do this but I may have to be teachers pet on this one ( not easy from someone whose dedicated mission in life has been to actually or metaphorically sit at the back of the class, lobbing ink blots at teacher, sharp compassey things at the swots at the front and attempting rather badly to chat up the girls) Lay off Admin! The poor soul is doing his job, he’s got enough on his plate dealing with luminaries in Form 4B, as moi, Herbert & various others push the limits. As referred to on a separate link his clearance level for some of the more drunken weekend posts indicate a man who sacrifices his Sunday lie-in. I think we should get either /or (i) sense of humour (ii) a life. Rant over - back to flicking toads from the back of the class at Miss Batty & Ewoowar....
Originally posted by Wrapper
Sorry Admin but how comes Steve gets away with blatantly antagonistic threads?
Reply ID 39163
quote:Double detention Master Piglet! I want a thousand words under the heading of "The Cause of the Rebel" on my desk by first thing tomorrow morning.
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:Rant over - back to flicking toads from the back of the class at Miss Batty & Ewoowar....
Originally posted by Wrapper
Sorry Admin but how comes Steve gets away with blatantly antagonistic threads?
Reply ID 39164
I just want to know whaht all this "Oooh Sele Farm" business is. I am moving there shortly and have friends and relatives there. What is the intention but to antagonise or just be crass. What does "Ooo Sele Farm" add to the debate and yet I get posts withdrawn for praising the landlord and lanlady for their food at the Black Horse?
Reply ID 39165
quote:Jealousy.
Originally posted by Wrapper
I just want to know whaht all this "Oooh Sele Farm" business is.
Reply ID 39166
Cheers John. That has brightened my morning up.
Reply ID 39177
quote:...and a certain lack of imagination, "Lets make innuendos about Sele"..... it's about original as calling people with glasses "Four eyes" IMHO. It might be meant in fun or as "Ironic" but mud has a tendency to stick and it just perpetuates the so called "joke" that has been going on ever since it was built.
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:Jealousy.
Originally posted by Wrapper
I just want to know whaht all this "Oooh Sele Farm" business is.
Reply ID 39188
quote:So it was YOU who flung the toad. And I thought it was Landy.
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet Rant over - back to flicking toads from the back of the class at Miss Batty & Ewoowar....
Reply ID 39221
Spot on Gemipicorn
Reply ID 39373
Going back to the original posting on this thread, specific conditions such as the "not to enter a shed" are given as they give a greater sentencing power to a court, as it can be dealt with as a breach of ASBO (upto 5 years imprisonment), as opposed to a one off criminal offence, which for this type of offence is likely to be quite low.
Reply ID 39383
quote:I think its the volume of incidents that draws the attention to the area, rather than the jokes. If we gave a pound to the council everytime we read the words......"Mr/Mrs/Ms ______ ______ of The Ridgeway/Bentley Road/Windsor Drive, Hertford, appeared in court today" we'd have the countries biggest skatepark by now. Throw Cecil Road and Birdie Way in the mix and you've probably got enough to build a bypass. I know thats not a popular statement in some circles, but you just have to open up the paper to see the trend.
Originally posted by gemipicorn It might be meant in fun or as "Ironic" but mud has a tendency to stick and it just perpetuates the so called "joke" that has been going on ever since it was built.
Reply ID 39387
Totally agree Dude.
Reply ID 39393
I'm not denying there are people of a less desirable nature in Sele but there are just as many in all the other areas too. I think it is unfair to keep on digging at Sele, after all if it was picked up an re located in many other areas of the country it would be thought of as a very desirable area. I also feel for the residents of Sele having to put up with the remarks about it. How many of you would like constant digs made about the area you live in? With that I will get me coat and let this thread try to get back on topic.
Reply ID 39395
quote:I think thats a fair point. In fact, I think there has been a noticable improvement in Pinehurst in the last few years. Maybe Sele will follow suit. But I don't think we should ignore crime hot spots simply because it upsets the residents. By the way, when a friend of mine visited my road for the first time last year, his first comment was, "have you ever had the wheels nicked off your car?" You are right. I didn't like it!
Originally posted by gemipicorn
I'm not denying there are people of a less desirable nature in Sele but there are just as many in all the other areas too. I think it is unfair to keep on digging at Sele, after all if it was picked up an re located in many other areas of the country it would be thought of as a very desirable area. I also feel for the residents of Sele having to put up with the remarks about it. How many of you would like constant digs made about the area you live in? With that I will get me coat and let this thread try to get back on topic.
Reply ID 39401
quote:I disagree, and I think this was the point that Dude was making (forgive me if I'm wrong Dude). Sele has a disproportionate number of offenders when compared to other areas in the town, which is why it often features in crime reports in The Mercury. Ask any policeman and they'll tell you there's a hard core of repeat offenders on the estate. Yes, the other areas mentioned by Dude also crop up in crime reports, but it's the frequency with which Sele Farm is mentioned that is noticeable. Then there's the fact that Sele is the most deprived area in East Hertfordshire, with high levels of social housing and nationally high levels of divorce, separation and poor health. Is it any wonder it has a reputation?
Originally posted by gemipicorn
...but there are just as many in all the other areas too.
Reply ID 39405
Obviously crime needs to be tackled no matter where it is but the constant jibes and digs about the area just 'tars everyone with the same brush' and perpetuates the 'reputation'. IMHO the remarks made say more about the person(s) making them than the people/area they are making them about.
Reply ID 39406
quote:Where have you got these stats from Steve?
Originally posted by Stevequote:Then there's the fact that Sele is the most deprived area in East Hertfordshire, with high levels of social housing and nationally high levels of divorce, separation and poor health.
Originally posted by gemipicorn
...but there are just as many in all the other areas too.
Reply ID 39409
quote:You asked me exactly the same question on another thread... http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2233 Unfortunately, the link I posted as an answer no longer works as EHDC have re-organised their website. I think this is the same document... [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2233 East Hertfordshire Community Safety Partnership Crime and Disorder Strategy 2002-2005[/url] (Microsoft Word format) I would also refer you to the link I posted earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by James007
Where have you got these stats from Steve?
Reply ID 39437
Doesn't excuse your banal and crass little digs though Steve.
Reply ID 39463
Spot on Wrapper!
Reply ID 39504
quote:My own humour on this subject has probably been a bit unhelpful in focusing the issue. I'm guessing Steve's reasons are close to mine, that being; not a dig for the sake of it, but a note of sarcasm because their are a few people on here who try to make out that the reputation of these places is unjustified, despite the facts staring us all in the face.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Doesn't excuse your banal and crass little digs though Steve.
Reply ID 39505
quote:By saying that, are you not making a sweeping judgement, in much the same way as the people(s)you are acusing?
IMHO the remarks made say more about the person(s) making them than the people/area they are making them about.
Reply ID 39523
quote:You may very well be right Dude but the way I see it judging people on something they themselves have done/said is far less of a generalisation than judging them on where they live which is the effect all this snide remarks have. I know there are problems, I have never said otherwise but what worries me is that all the jibes about the area does an injustice to all the good honest and decent people in the area. To my mind it only serves to enhance the bad reputation thereby helping (for want of a better word) the minority bad element to bring down the area. If people want to have an honest discussion on the topic with, for instance, suggestions for improvements etc then fine, but far too many people seem to prefer to just have a cheap, and TBH rather childish, dig at it. I happen to live in a more 'affluent' area and I have heard it said over the years that the area is 'snobbish', again there undoubtedly a few here who are but we are not all like that and I would defend against that sort of remark to if you see what I mean.
Originally posted by Dudequote:By saying that, are you not making a sweeping judgement, in much the same way as the people(s)you are acusing?
IMHO the remarks made say more about the person(s) making them than the people/area they are making them about.
Reply ID 39524
Agreed. Saying "Oooh Sele Farm" is not sarcasm but the sort of thing a four year old would say.
Reply ID 39556
quote:I do see what you mean, in fact, I agree with you in most cases. I think one of the problems is that humour, however well (or not) intended sometimes comes across wrong when typed. Its probably better left our of some conversations (Like politics and religion) in a typed form!
Originally posted by gemipicornquote:You may very well be right Dude but the way I see it judging people on something they themselves have done/said is far less of a generalisation than judging them on where they live which is the effect all this snide remarks have. I know there are problems, I have never said otherwise but what worries me is that all the jibes about the area does an injustice to all the good honest and decent people in the area. To my mind it only serves to enhance the bad reputation thereby helping (for want of a better word) the minority bad element to bring down the area. If people want to have an honest discussion on the topic with, for instance, suggestions for improvements etc then fine, but far too many people seem to prefer to just have a cheap, and TBH rather childish, dig at it. I happen to live in a more 'affluent' area and I have heard it said over the years that the area is 'snobbish', again there undoubtedly a few here who are but we are not all like that and I would defend against that sort of remark to if you see what I mean.
Originally posted by Dudequote:By saying that, are you not making a sweeping judgement, in much the same way as the people(s)you are acusing?
IMHO the remarks made say more about the person(s) making them than the people/area they are making them about.