Topic ID 2124
How many more dwellings are the developers going to squeeze into this road? [url="http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/06/2044/FP&backURL=<a%20href=wphappcriteria.display>Search%20Criteria</a>%20>%20<a%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=40769%26StartIndex=21%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=wphappsresweek1%26BackURL=<a%20href=wphappcriteria.display>Search%20Criteria</a>'>Search%20Results</a>"]application for 20 flats[/url]
Reply ID 28655
Looks like Steven Oates has seen what can be achieved next door and is trying to squeeze as much out of the site as possible. It took Macs two years to get planning permission for 5 town houses on the site, so what the planning department will make of this I'm not sure.
Reply ID 28656
For information, this is not Steven Oates the Estate Agent. He is no longer associated with that business in anything other than name. The planning application for the Dolphin car park has been submitted by Parkhall Ltd, which is Steven Oates's property development company. This is the same company that has caused some controvesy with it's [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=1376"]planned development of land on The Folly[/url].
Reply ID 29140
Just had a look at these plans. Four storeys along Mill Road between Riviere and The Dolphin, four storeys behind and three/two storeys on the old Abbiss car pound. Very imposing for the neighbours and some buildings are very close to existing two-storey properties in St.John's Street and St.John's Court, despite claiming a lower density than Riviere. I can imagine some of these properties losing alot of daylight if this goes ahead.
Reply ID 29147
crikey! Thanks Steve. I didn't realise the old Abbiss Pound had been sold. Or is this some sort of speculative planning application? Time to make a fuss.
Reply ID 29218
All very good reasons to object to planning applications Steve - get those objections in while you can!
Reply ID 29219
See also [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2159"]192 New Homes - Marshgate Drive[/url]
Reply ID 32711
The plans have now been withdrawn by the developer
Reply ID 32721
quote:Any idea if this was down to resident's protests? Understandably, the council's site doesn't say.
Originally posted by Steve
The plans have now been withdrawn by the developer
Reply ID 32724
quote:The plans were withdrawn after The Planning Officer recommended refusal of the application by the Development Control Committee. This was on planning grounds, including overdevelopment, height, lack of harmony with surrounding buildings and loss of privacy for neighbouring residential properties.
Originally posted by Mr P
Any idea if this was down to resident's protests? Understandably, the council's site doesn't say.
Reply ID 32737
Which plans have been withdrawn - the old Dolphin or Marshgate Drive?
Reply ID 32753
quote:20 flats on the Dolphin car park
Originally posted by newgirl
Which plans have been withdrawn - the old Dolphin or Marshgate Drive?
Reply ID 32769
They'll be re-submitted again, without a doubt.
Reply ID 32777
FWIW there is already planning permission for five town houses on the Dolphin car park site. My guess would be that they may go ahead with this and then submit plans for the Abbiss Garage site (hopefully taking into account the planning officers reasons for recommending refusal).
Reply ID 32778
What does FWIW mean please? The jargonic culture isn't my thing, sorry.
Reply ID 32780
quote:FWIW.........For What It's Worth
Originally posted by James007
What does FWIW mean please? The jargonic culture isn't my thing, sorry.
Reply ID 32781
Thanks buzz. Surely here, in this slow moving forum, jargon isn't really needed, for what it's worth? To me, it simply smacks of one-upmansip.
Reply ID 32786
Apologies - I need to get out more! [:)]
Reply ID 35168
Revised plans for 20 flats on the Dolphin car park have been submitted. Quite how this addresses the issue of "overdevelopment" I'm not sure!
Reply ID 35446
I see they have the ground floor flat up for sale 2 bedrooms...335,000 pounds..they say its handy for hertford east which i do not consider to be a plus point!!
Reply ID 35560
I've heard that the rooms are so small that you're not allowed to have cats - because - if you swing them, you'd be knocking their heads against both walls and that would be cruel.
Reply ID 39272
quote:Do you mean the flats in the former Dolphin pub or the proposed flats on the Dolphin car park, the plans for which have now been withdrwan for a second time? Messrs Abbis and Oates have quite a sizeable site now and are chipping away with their piecemeal planning applications.
Originally posted by Dreamer
I've heard that the rooms are so small that you're not allowed to have cats - because - if you swing them, you'd be knocking their heads against both walls and that would be cruel.
Reply ID 43530
A new planning application for 14 flats has now been submitted [url="http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/07/1647/FP&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=58182%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=114450%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=58182%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E"]3/07/1647/FP[/url] It's a single four-storey block that sits between Riviere and The Dolphin. It's a very modern looking building that takes a number of architectural cues from Riviere and appears to feature quite alot of glass. Unfortunately, IMHO, whilst the design is very imaginitive, the modernity jars badly with The Dolphin and Hertford East Station.
Reply ID 53755
The site is now up for sale [img]../images/forum/dolphin_carpark_forsale.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 53772
Someone must be in trouble - what no money to build it?![}:)]
Reply ID 53779
Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]
Reply ID 53780
quote:[:D]
Originally posted by Ted Badger
Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]
Reply ID 53781
quote:Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
Originally posted by Ted Badger
Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]
Reply ID 53787
quote:I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
Reply ID 53796
quote:While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
Reply ID 53798
quote:Arms dealers? [:)]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
Reply ID 53804
quote:Why should private enterprise be in a public building? Why not put the CAB in there?
Originally posted by Ewoowar While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?
Reply ID 53806
Private enterprise presumably pays rent which in turn can subsidise the maintenance work that is presumably required to keep a building like the castle running.
Reply ID 53807
quote:Now that would be an interesting 'development' [:0]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Someone must be in trouble - what no money to build it?![}:)]