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21/10/2006 by James007

Mill Road - Old Dolphin car park

How many more dwellings are the developers going to squeeze into this road? [url="http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/06/2044/FP&backURL=<a%20href=wphappcriteria.display>Search%20Criteria</a>%20>%20<a%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=40769%26StartIndex=21%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=wphappsresweek1%26BackURL=<a%20href=wphappcriteria.display>Search%20Criteria</a>'>Search%20Results</a>"]application for 20 flats[/url]


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Reply ID 28655

21/10/2006 by Steve

Looks like Steven Oates has seen what can be achieved next door and is trying to squeeze as much out of the site as possible. It took Macs two years to get planning permission for 5 town houses on the site, so what the planning department will make of this I'm not sure.


Reply ID 28656

21/10/2006 by Admin

For information, this is not Steven Oates the Estate Agent. He is no longer associated with that business in anything other than name. The planning application for the Dolphin car park has been submitted by Parkhall Ltd, which is Steven Oates's property development company. This is the same company that has caused some controvesy with it's [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=1376"]planned development of land on The Folly[/url].


Reply ID 29140

30/10/2006 by Steve

Just had a look at these plans. Four storeys along Mill Road between Riviere and The Dolphin, four storeys behind and three/two storeys on the old Abbiss car pound. Very imposing for the neighbours and some buildings are very close to existing two-storey properties in St.John's Street and St.John's Court, despite claiming a lower density than Riviere. I can imagine some of these properties losing alot of daylight if this goes ahead.


Reply ID 29147

30/10/2006 by dudley

crikey! Thanks Steve. I didn't realise the old Abbiss Pound had been sold. Or is this some sort of speculative planning application? Time to make a fuss.


Reply ID 29218

31/10/2006 by ian.ball

All very good reasons to object to planning applications Steve - get those objections in while you can!


Reply ID 29219

31/10/2006 by Admin

See also [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2159"]192 New Homes - Marshgate Drive[/url]


Reply ID 32711

19/12/2006 by Steve

The plans have now been withdrawn by the developer


Reply ID 32721

19/12/2006 by Mr P

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
The plans have now been withdrawn by the developer
Any idea if this was down to resident's protests? Understandably, the council's site doesn't say.


Reply ID 32724

19/12/2006 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Mr P
Any idea if this was down to resident's protests? Understandably, the council's site doesn't say.
The plans were withdrawn after The Planning Officer recommended refusal of the application by the Development Control Committee. This was on planning grounds, including overdevelopment, height, lack of harmony with surrounding buildings and loss of privacy for neighbouring residential properties.


Reply ID 32737

19/12/2006 by newgirl

Which plans have been withdrawn - the old Dolphin or Marshgate Drive?


Reply ID 32753

19/12/2006 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by newgirl
Which plans have been withdrawn - the old Dolphin or Marshgate Drive?
20 flats on the Dolphin car park


Reply ID 32769

19/12/2006 by James007

They'll be re-submitted again, without a doubt.


Reply ID 32777

19/12/2006 by Steve

FWIW there is already planning permission for five town houses on the Dolphin car park site. My guess would be that they may go ahead with this and then submit plans for the Abbiss Garage site (hopefully taking into account the planning officers reasons for recommending refusal).


Reply ID 32778

19/12/2006 by James007

What does FWIW mean please? The jargonic culture isn't my thing, sorry.


Reply ID 32780

19/12/2006 by buzz

quote:
Originally posted by James007
What does FWIW mean please? The jargonic culture isn't my thing, sorry.
FWIW.........For What It's Worth


Reply ID 32781

19/12/2006 by James007

Thanks buzz. Surely here, in this slow moving forum, jargon isn't really needed, for what it's worth? To me, it simply smacks of one-upmansip.


Reply ID 32786

19/12/2006 by Steve

Apologies - I need to get out more! [:)]


Reply ID 35168

06/02/2007 by Steve

Revised plans for 20 flats on the Dolphin car park have been submitted. Quite how this addresses the issue of "overdevelopment" I'm not sure!


Reply ID 35446

08/02/2007 by tsr

I see they have the ground floor flat up for sale 2 bedrooms...335,000 pounds..they say its handy for hertford east which i do not consider to be a plus point!!


Reply ID 35560

10/02/2007 by Dreamer

I've heard that the rooms are so small that you're not allowed to have cats - because - if you swing them, you'd be knocking their heads against both walls and that would be cruel.


Reply ID 39272

29/04/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Dreamer
I've heard that the rooms are so small that you're not allowed to have cats - because - if you swing them, you'd be knocking their heads against both walls and that would be cruel.
Do you mean the flats in the former Dolphin pub or the proposed flats on the Dolphin car park, the plans for which have now been withdrwan for a second time? Messrs Abbis and Oates have quite a sizeable site now and are chipping away with their piecemeal planning applications.


Reply ID 43530

14/08/2007 by Steve

A new planning application for 14 flats has now been submitted [url="http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/07/1647/FP&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=58182%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=114450%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=58182%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E"]3/07/1647/FP[/url] It's a single four-storey block that sits between Riviere and The Dolphin. It's a very modern looking building that takes a number of architectural cues from Riviere and appears to feature quite alot of glass. Unfortunately, IMHO, whilst the design is very imaginitive, the modernity jars badly with The Dolphin and Hertford East Station.


Reply ID 53755

20/07/2008 by Steve

The site is now up for sale [img]../images/forum/dolphin_carpark_forsale.jpg[/img]


Reply ID 53772

21/07/2008 by Kitty Kat

Someone must be in trouble - what no money to build it?![}:)]


Reply ID 53779

21/07/2008 by Ted Badger

Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]


Reply ID 53780

21/07/2008 by Willow

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Badger
Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]
[:D]


Reply ID 53781

21/07/2008 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Ted Badger
Don't think much of the design - seems the standard today to come out with unimaginative blocky hybrids of Costa del Sol Apartments and old Eastern Block housing estates. Perhaps the achitects all use the same piece of software - type in the dimensions of the plot and it comes up with "insta-design"™ maximum number of 'luxury apartments' possible. And then prints out the artists impression complete with smiling passers-by and lady pushing pram. [:)]
Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/


Reply ID 53787

21/07/2008 by Leo Densian

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]


Reply ID 53796

22/07/2008 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]
While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?


Reply ID 53798

22/07/2008 by Aelle

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Kirby Cove were the architects http://www.kcarchitects.co.uk/
I find it more than a little ironic that the architects choose to base themselves out of Hertford Castle, a building of character and individuality, rather than selling their services from one of their own bland offerings. I also note that a bit of their work has been gracing the estate agents pages for some time too - clearly very desireable [;)]
While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?
Arms dealers? [:)]


Reply ID 53804

22/07/2008 by Leo Densian

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar While the irony is understood, what type of business would be better fitting the offices at the castle?
Why should private enterprise be in a public building? Why not put the CAB in there?


Reply ID 53806

23/07/2008 by jez_p

Private enterprise presumably pays rent which in turn can subsidise the maintenance work that is presumably required to keep a building like the castle running.


Reply ID 53807

23/07/2008 by aubend

quote:
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Someone must be in trouble - what no money to build it?![}:)]
Now that would be an interesting 'development' [:0]


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