Topic ID 7012
Just received a mail shot to announce a public exhibition to view and give feedback on a proposal to build houses and apartments with associated parking to "bring into use a currently neglected site", at HERTFORD METHODIST CHURCH HALL, Ware Rd. on 15th February from 4pm to 8pm. "Oppotunity to leave feedback which REDROW will take into consideration before submitting a planning application"
Reply ID 92504
I'm guessing this is the old sidings at Hertford East. I know that last year Lambert Smith Hampton published tentaive plans for around 110 homes on the site, flats of 4/5 storeys (making this probably the most density populated part of the town when taken together with The Waterfront and Elder Court). [img]../images/forum/sidingsplan1.jpg[/img] Of course, the proposals may have evolved over time so what's presented at the exhibition may vary from the initial plans.
Reply ID 92520
That's just going to add to the strain on schools on the East side of town even further. If there is plenty of opposition to the proposed development up at Bengeo for a similar reason, I would sincerely hope that the same stance is taken here.
Reply ID 92521
quote:One assumes that developers wouldn't bother if there was no demand. If every local interest group objects in every locality where do the people creating the demand actually live - or aren't we bothered as long as.......
Originally posted by City Fella
That's just going to add to the strain on schools on the East side of town even further. If there is plenty of opposition to the proposed development up at Bengeo for a similar reason, I would sincerely hope that the same stance is taken here.
Reply ID 92524
quote:Bengeo and the old sidings are completely different situations. The proposal to develop on the nursery site in Bengeo is Green Belt. The old sidings are brownfield and in need of improvement. I would certainly be in favour of developing the sidings rather than Bengeo.Also, the school issue is different. In Bengeo it would be the primary school that would be put under pressure. With a town centre development there are more primary schools within easy reach.
Originally posted by City Fella
That's just going to add to the strain on schools on the East side of town even further. If there is plenty of opposition to the proposed development up at Bengeo for a similar reason, I would sincerely hope that the same stance is taken here.
Reply ID 92526
I thought there was a proposal to improve the bottleneck of Mead Lane/Mill Road with a one way sytem, before any further development took place in this area. Glad I am not working or living there if access is not dramatically improved.
Reply ID 92537
quote:I appreciate that there are differences (i.e. Green Belt vs Brownfield site) but the comment regarding schools was that in both cases, there are only a certain number of primary school places available each year with the single form in-take and both Bengeo & those on the East side are struggling with current numbers without the addition of another 100+ homes.
Originally posted by buzzquote:Bengeo and the old sidings are completely different situations. The proposal to develop on the nursery site in Bengeo is Green Belt. The old sidings are brownfield and in need of improvement. I would certainly be in favour of developing the sidings rather than Bengeo.Also, the school issue is different. In Bengeo it would be the primary school that would be put under pressure. With a town centre development there are more primary schools within easy reach.
Originally posted by City Fella
That's just going to add to the strain on schools on the East side of town even further. If there is plenty of opposition to the proposed development up at Bengeo for a similar reason, I would sincerely hope that the same stance is taken here.
Reply ID 92554
Last year the council announced that if the need for a new school arose, they would build one in Mangrove Road, on land currently used as a sports field (the second cricket ground used by Hertford CC, also used for school cricket by Simon Balle). It's all part of their legacy to provide more sport to...oh no, I got that bit wrong.
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quote:I think you may have misinterpreted a story in The Mercury last year stating that land in Mangrove Road had been identified as a potential site for a new school. [:)]
Originally posted by 2929paul
Last year the council announced that if the need for a new school arose, they would build one in Mangrove Road, on land currently used as a sports field (the second cricket ground used by Hertford CC, also used for school cricket by Simon Balle). It's all part of their legacy to provide more sport to...oh no, I got that bit wrong.
Reply ID 92670
quote:Any idea where this information came from? My wife went into the Meth Church Hall today and they new nothing about the exhibition.
Originally posted by thommo
Just received a mail shot to announce a public exhibition to view and give feedback on a proposal to build houses and apartments with associated parking to "bring into use a currently neglected site", at HERTFORD METHODIST CHURCH HALL, Ware Rd. on 15th February from 4pm to 8pm. "Oppotunity to leave feedback which REDROW will take into consideration before submitting a planning application"
Reply ID 92671
Also lots of information on this scheme on the http://www.brbrlandsales.co.uk website. In my view this and later developments that are likely down mead lane will only increase the rat running along railway street/place and Townshend, Villiers and Currie Street. What the plan really needs is a one way system to stop this and the Rail Station to make a larger commuter parking provision in the waste ground on the south side of the station.
Reply ID 92701
See also [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=7027"]Beeson's Yard Apartments Exhibition[/url]
Reply ID 92715
quote:Emma Webster (Associate Director),GreenIssuesCommunique,Reading.Acting on behalf of Redrow Homes Eastern ltd. They are a College Group company "International Communications Consultancy". Googled; they seem to have "great" credentials acting on behalf of household names - unless it is all self promotion. Sorry I can't scan the letter (unable to).
Originally posted by Herts66quote:Any idea where this information came from? My wife went into the Meth Church Hall today and they new nothing about the exhibition.
Originally posted by thommo
Just received a mail shot to announce a public exhibition to view and give feedback on a proposal to build houses and apartments with associated parking to "bring into use a currently neglected site", at HERTFORD METHODIST CHURCH HALL, Ware Rd. on 15th February from 4pm to 8pm. "Oppotunity to leave feedback which REDROW will take into consideration before submitting a planning application"
Reply ID 92737
Did anyone else go? 141 properties, comprising 46x 1-bed flats, 87x 2-bed flats, 3x 3-bed flats and 5x 3-bed houses. (This compares with 112 properties at The Waterfront and 130 at Elder Court, plus the further 182 planned for Marshgate Drive, although I believe approval for that scheme may have lapsed) Many of the blocks are 5.5 storeys. Looks like overdevelopment IMHO. The plans include a new link road from Marshgate Drive to just north of the station. They expect to submit a planning application in the Spring with a projected start in the Summer if plans are approved.
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[img]../images/forum/sidings-exhibition-plan.jpg[/img]
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[img]../images/forum/sidings-exhibition-elevation.jpg[/img]
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Nicer than what's there now......
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From that point of view I have to agree. I have a friend who lives in Elder Court and the biggest problem is parking when visitors come and that will not improve.
Reply ID 92742
'Podium parking'? They must think it has a nicer ring to it than 'underground carpark' I suppose. Nitwits.
Reply ID 92749
141 properties. 101 parking spaces. "A Travel Plan will be prepared and implemented in order to minimise travel by private car" Oh, that's alright then.
Reply ID 93572
A formal planning application has now been submitted [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/13/0551/FP"]3/13/0551[/url]
Reply ID 93573
This planning application is just about demolition of existing buildings nothing about building further ones.
Reply ID 93574
Seems that part of town is becoming high-rise then [V]
Reply ID 93575
quote:Post updated
Originally posted by Claudia
This planning application is just about demolition of existing buildings nothing about building further ones.
Reply ID 93576
quote:Indeed, many of the proposed blocks are six storeys. At the junction with Marshgate Drive there's a four storey block right up against the road directly opposite a two storey Victorian terrace. They're trying to cram as many properties as possible on to the site, in an area already dominated by flats. We need a better mix of housing IMHO, otherwise this will become the most densely populated part of the town, and that before we talk about the traffic pinch points of Mill Road and the junction with Ware Road. [img]../images/forum/redrow-sidings-north-view.jpg[/img] [img]../images/forum/redrow-sidings-south-view.jpg[/img]
Originally posted by newgirl
Seems that part of town is becoming high-rise then [V]
Reply ID 93580
These pictures look very similar to those coming out of North Korea at the moment....
Reply ID 93581
The plan is not forced to be accepted. Herts planning policy requires considered development of an appropriate scale. Those who don't like the scheme need to object when it is put to planning voicing legitimate concerns as I will. I will object to the scale of the development - it dwarfs everything else - and impact on traffic - around HFE and Railway street etc. If enough people object then the plans will need to change - as with the old tesco plans. Speak to your neighbours and use your voice people!
Reply ID 94948
Does anyone know what's happening with this? Initially they said building to commence in the summer. Assuming the plans have been rejected. Shame if they have been.
Reply ID 94969
quote:http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/Officers-recommend-granting-130-homes-plan-in-Hertford-20130807142209.htm
Originally posted by Quizme
Does anyone know what's happening with this? Initially they said building to commence in the summer. Assuming the plans have been rejected. Shame if they have been.
Reply ID 94970
It's worth pointing out that Redrow pulled the stunt of submitting revised plans after the end of the consultation period. Apparently they're allowed to do this without there being a further consultation. Thankfully, the five and six storey elements have gone and the block opposite the Mead Lane cottages is reduced to three storeys. However, the lack of car parking, effectively meaning that over 40 flats will have no spaces, is still of concern. It's now up to the Development Committee to accept or reject the planning officer's recommendation.
Reply ID 94971
I find it ludicrous for people to not submit carparking spaces too. A lot of people have to travel to their place of work to pay for their properties and sorry the car is here to stay.... I try and walk and use public transport etc, but that is not always possible for where I need to go/be.... we don't live in London where you could conceivably live without a car due to the public transport networks... Its a huge concern and I agree with Steve, it will mean residents will park somewhere they shouldn't or clog up an area already clogged up!!!!
Reply ID 94972
I guess it would probably cause issues, but then again, with HA properties on the development, I'm assuming it would be those that didn't come with an allocated space. Would be interested to know how many spaces vs properties there are in Elder Court and The Waterfront.
Reply ID 94973
And does anyone have a link to the revised plans?
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quote:Same as the link on the previous page.
Originally posted by Quizme
And does anyone have a link to the revised plans?
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quote:The Waterfront - 112 flats - 112 spaces Elder Court - 130 flats - 111 spaces
Originally posted by Quizme
Would be interested to know how many spaces vs properties there are in Elder Court and The Waterfront.
Reply ID 94982
I just looked at revised plans and sure I read 34 would be without a space. Also proposing a car rental scheme similar to street car with two spaces for hire cars. In general the lower height of the buildings is much better
Reply ID 94986
A few years back, when the developers of Elder Court submitted their proposal, they also included provision of a 'car club' scheme to offset the shortage of parking spaces. Only once they had completed the development and sold all but the last couple of flats, they subsequently announced that due to the anticipated low take up, they had found that it wouldn't be viable. Perhaps they should have looked into that first... As if parking wasn't bad enough, there is also the question of rush hour traffic. As anyone who works down Mead Lane will know, the evening queues regularly stretch all the way back from Tesco to the Marshgate drive junction. The additional road won't address that issue.
Reply ID 95008
I'm not sure it would have an impact on rush hour traffic - it's 90 or so potential extra cars who would most likely be at work or returning in the other direction at that time. I think the new road is long overdue and a god send for residents of Elder Court and the Waterfront. That's probably the main reason I'm so keen for the development to go ahead.
Reply ID 95088
The planning application was unanimously refused at last night's Development Management meeting.
Reply ID 95089
Good - the scheme is horrible. Something more in keeping with the area is needed. Another max density block if flats is exactly what we don't need.
Reply ID 95113
That is great news. No doubt they'll resubmit new plans, but hopefully of lower density this time, and with a more appropriate solution to the issues with traffic.
Reply ID 95551
quote:And it'll be a nightmare for anyone living near the junction of Marshgate Drive/Mead Lane/new road.
Originally posted by Quizme I think the new road is long overdue and a god send for residents of Elder Court and the Waterfront. That's probably the main reason I'm so keen for the development to go ahead.