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Topic ID 6684
19/07/2012 by Arty
Sovereign House - Bulldozer Needed Soon
Whilst I'm obviously sorry to see that the Bonnie Babies Group has had to vacate Sovereign House, the prospect of this sixties eyesore being demolished is an exciting prospect...
...and if it is demolished, why don't the respective owners of it, plus the BT Exchange down the road, get together and negotiate a discount and get them both removed at the same time?[:)]
Replies
Reply ID 89175
19/07/2012 by Capitalist piglet
It does, I can confirm, have the best view in Hertford.....
Reply ID 89178
20/07/2012 by Joe
I wonder what will happen to the bunker at Sovereign House? [url]http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/s/sovereign_house/[/url]
If I remember it's about 3 levels deep and that's going to leave one BIG hole[;)] or make one great under ground car park [:D]
It might be a nice touch to let some people take photo's of the bunker before it get's demolished.
Also what will happen to the tunnel linking it to County Hall? Will that be filled in?
And on the subject of tunnels, will the demolition effect in any way the Templar Tunnels?
Reply ID 89190
21/07/2012 by Arty
quote:
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
It does, I can confirm, have the best view in Hertford.....
Photo opportunity for Steve?
Reply ID 89191
21/07/2012 by Capitalist piglet
quote:
Originally posted by Arty
quote:
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
It does, I can confirm, have the best view in Hertford.....
Photo opportunity for Steve?
Yes , it's one place that you can't see Sovereign House....[^]
Reply ID 89192
21/07/2012 by dennismoore
quote:
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
quote:
Originally posted by Arty
quote:
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
It does, I can confirm, have the best view in Hertford.....
Photo opportunity for Steve?
Yes , it's one place that you can't see Sovereign House....[^]
Very droll!
I love the way you held that punchline for two whole days! [:D]
Reply ID 89204
22/07/2012 by Capitalist piglet
quote:
Originally posted by dennismoore
quote:
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
quote:
Originally posted by Arty
[quote]Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
It does, I can confirm, have the best view in Hertford.....
Photo opportunity for Steve?
Yes , it's one place that you can't see Sovereign House....[^]
[/qu
Very droll!
I love the way you held that punchline for two whole days! [:D]
I nearly created a new persona just to cross the ball into the area. It was a bit of a wait.....[:)]
Reply ID 89234
24/07/2012 by ldaniels79
I am salivating at the prospect of that eye-sore being removed - are we sure it's going to happen?
Let's just hope they don't just replace it with generic apartments. (though I am sure that's whats going to happen)
I wonder if the Elberts building has stood unsold for so long because of the uncertainty of Sovereign House?
Reply ID 89591
23/08/2012 by Rachel
Interesting link, thanks for posting.
A few years ago when there was lots of interest in Hertford tunnels I asked the caretaker if we could have a little hertford.net trip down there. He said OK but then it got vetoed for data protection reasons as it is used inter alia for storage of records so person identifiable information could be visible.
Elsewhere on these forums over the years I have posted my memories of working there towards the end of the cold war. I remember the stencils of vapourised bodies CND used to spray all round the bunker entrance on the anniversaries of the Hiroshima bomb.
Reply ID 89657
29/08/2012 by James007
Here he is with some other idiots including a ginger lad, a black haired lad and some women!
You broke into a brewery, and have a website posing as a worker uncovering a man-hole cover in a yellow high visibility vest.
If you get nicked, I hope you get what you deserve.
You must be thicker than a cow's ear.
Here is the trespass video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tNqAsm8MjJ4
Reply ID 89658
29/08/2012 by Leo Densian
Get down off your high horse James - were you not even the slightest bit curious as to what was under Sovereign House?
The urban exploration sites are hugely interesting and the quality of some of the photography simply stunning.
Reply ID 89659
29/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Get down off your high horse James - were you not even the slightest bit curious as to what was under Sovereign House?
The urban exploration sites are hugely interesting and the quality of some of the photography simply stunning.
It's a Government owned building, next door to the County Town Police Station.
I am not doubting the interest. I am interested but these people seem keen on breaking into property for fun. It is not right and I don't have a horse.
Reply ID 89660
29/08/2012 by james
Trespass, my arse. It's a derelict building paid for with taxes. Everyone in the UK should have a right to enter this building.
Reply ID 89661
30/08/2012 by dennismoore
quote:
Originally posted by troglodyte
For those interested I thought I would share some of my photos (and video) taken whilst exploring the bunker. http://troglurbex.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/regional-government-bunker-srhq-42.html
I'm already familiar with your website troglodyte, it's brilliant and there are some stunning images on there, things which would otherwise go unrecorded. Congratulations and keep up the good work.
And please ignore the usual small-town pomposity on display here!
Reply ID 89663
30/08/2012 by troglodyte
quote:
Here he is with some other idiots including a ginger lad, a black haired lad and some women!
You broke into a brewery, and have a website posing as a worker uncovering a man-hole cover in a yellow high visibility vest.
If you get nicked, I hope you get what you deserve.
You must be thicker than a cow's ear.
Here is the trespass video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tNqAsm8MjJ4 height="1" noshade id="quote">
There there James concidering you have 007 in your name your hardly the adventurous type are you! Before you start trying to point at how much of an 'idiot' I am. Tresspasing is a civil offence and is not breaking the law. That brings me to your accusation of breaking in! who said we broke in? If you look hard enough anyone could of made it in there!
quote:
I'm already familiar with your website troglodyte, it's brilliant and there are some stunning images on there, things which would otherwise go unrecorded. Congratulations and keep up the good work.
And please ignore the usual small-town pomposity on display here!
Cheers mate! Someone who talks sence. [;)]
Reply ID 89664
30/08/2012 by shunt
great imagery and nicely shot, but I confess I was just thinking "nice diesel genset!". Must get out more.[:o)]
Reply ID 89665
30/08/2012 by troglodyte
quote:
great imagery and nicely shot, but I confess I was just thinking "nice diesel genset!". Must get out more.
Thanks mate, Yeah those generators were stunning [:D]
Reply ID 89666
30/08/2012 by exiled_in_Reading
Tresspasing is a civil offence but you need to be careful going into Government or state owned buildings, because they might well have by laws which kick in which do make it a criminal offence...
Reply ID 89667
30/08/2012 by troglodyte
Yeah there was more of a risk, But I don't think the government still own it do they? But as usual nothing was done to the property and nothing taken (other then photos)
Also If it's going to get demolished then I'm glad we got to document it before it goes. [:)]
Reply ID 89668
30/08/2012 by ldaniels79
I agree - while I obviously don't condone the potentially illegal entry into the building - I am very pleased that we have these images and record of this interesting space. So - thanks for sharing.
I cannot wait for this building to leave our sights and hopefully it will disappear ASAP!
Reply ID 89675
30/08/2012 by Andrew
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by troglodyte
Yeah there was more of a risk, But I don't think the government still own it do they? But as usual nothing was done to the property and nothing taken (other then photos)
Also If it's going to get demolished then I'm glad we got to document it before it goes. [:)]
So you didn't break in to a government building?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161
And you didn't say that you were going to so?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161
Urban exploration is a fascinating subject and I've long enjoyed vicariously exploring fascinating places I would not dare go into myself. There are so many more important things to worry about than trespass into unused buildings.
Reply ID 89676
30/08/2012 by troglodyte
quote:
So you didn't break in to a government building?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161
And you didn't say that you were going to so?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161 height="1" noshade id="quote">
Nowhere on there did I say I was going to 'BREAK IN' I said I was going for a look see if I could get in. Huge difference. To 'break in' would mean we used force.
Anyway I'm not discussing access details on here but I can assure no force was used to gain access. You would be suprised how many windows, doors and other forms of access are left wide open when a building gets left. Jeeze my whole hobby revolves around it. You seriously think I'm stupid enough to go around using 'breaking in' to all these buildings only to post them to the net knowing that I commited a crime to do so? Anyway i don't need to answer to the likes of you, Think what you will makes no difference to what we actually did.
Reply ID 89677
30/08/2012 by Drama Queen
Hmm, well I am not for people just "walking" into places because they feel they are some urban guerillas or something like this... I may have my windows open in my house doesn't mean I want a stranger climbing in when I am there and taking photos! But seriously, I am concerned that some areas of the building are of the age where asbestos may be present and if disturbed is fatal if inhaled.. I am not sorry to see the site go, its horrid, but I don't want another set of flats there and we are lacking in parking for working people in the town.
Reply ID 89684
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by troglodyte
quote:
So you didn't break in to a government building?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161
And you didn't say that you were going to so?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161 height="1" noshade id="quote">
Nowhere on there did I say I was going to 'BREAK IN' I said I was going for a look see if I could get in. Huge difference. To 'break in' would mean we used force.
Anyway I'm not discussing access details on here but I can assure no force was used to gain access. You would be suprised how many windows, doors and other forms of access are left wide open when a building gets left. Jeeze my whole hobby revolves around it. You seriously think I'm stupid enough to go around using 'breaking in' to all these buildings only to post them to the net knowing that I commited a crime to do so? Anyway i don't need to answer to the likes of you, Think what you will makes no difference to what we actually did.
Hobby?? So entering private property is your hobby?
Why won't you discuss "access details on here" if you think that you have done nothing wrong? Were you given permission to access the building? If so, who gave you permission?
If I entered your home when the window was open and took some photos of your kitchen, would you feel comfortable with the fact that I had just trespassed?
I can't believe you posted your criminal antics on a web forum with a video openly showing all of you.
Reply ID 89685
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
Tresspasing is a civil offence but you need to be careful going into Government or state owned buildings, because they might well have by laws which kick in which do make it a criminal offence...
Apart from Herts County Council, it the single biggest Government building remaining in Hertford, regardless of how ugly it is.
If this troglodyte finds it acceptable to wander into someone's property as a 'hobby', we may as well all give up locking our doors.
Entering my home, with my window slightly open, without my permission is a crime.
Forget civil trespass and the excuse of it being a hobby.
Reply ID 89686
30/08/2012 by steven
It's a bit of a stretch to go from exploring interesting abandoned buildings, to walking into someone's house. In fact only a crazy man would make such a comparison.
Reply ID 89687
30/08/2012 by Razor
quote:
Hobby?? So entering private property is your hobby?
Why won't you discuss "access details on here" if you think that you have done nothing wrong? Were you given permission to access the building? If so, who gave you permission?
If I entered your home when the window was open and took some photos of your kitchen, would you feel comfortable with the fact that I had just trespassed?
I can't believe you posted your criminal antics on a web forum with a video openly showing all of you.
The building is vacant and unused, so comparing entering this to entering your home which you occupy is a very poor comparison. Completely different scenario.
Reply ID 89688
30/08/2012 by steven
It's a straw man - the default type of argument on hertford.net [:)]
Reply ID 89689
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Razor
quote:
Hobby?? So entering private property is your hobby?
Why won't you discuss "access details on here" if you think that you have done nothing wrong? Were you given permission to access the building? If so, who gave you permission?
If I entered your home when the window was open and took some photos of your kitchen, would you feel comfortable with the fact that I had just trespassed?
I can't believe you posted your criminal antics on a web forum with a video openly showing all of you.
The building is vacant and unused, so comparing entering this to entering your home which you occupy is a very poor comparison. Completely different scenario.
Is it vacant?
Reply ID 89691
30/08/2012 by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by James007
Is it vacant?
Yes.
Reply ID 89692
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by James007
Is it vacant?
Yes.
Is it owned by someone or a business?
Reply ID 89693
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
James I find you groundless accusation insulting regarding breaking and entering and you have made the same allegation regarding several locations?
You cannot back these up as I know for fact is complete and utter rubbish.
Yet you feel you are in a position to be passing judgment on others.
Would you care come down from your lofty height too explain?
Thank god the Police or Cps doesn’t think like you.
You are more than entitled to your opinion but not to make slanderous and false accusations that amount to anything other than deformation of character & slander.
Civil trespass whether you agree with it or not is not a criminal offence.
It’s one thing to take photographs of places we otherwise would never get to see but breaking and entering is both illegal and wrong.
I’m for former Army sergeant with nine years service not a stupid little kid or thief.
Your words James’s Bond
“You broke into a brewery”.
“Keen on breaking into property for fun”.
“Here he is with some other idiots”.
“Including a ginger lad”.
“So you didn't break in to a government building”?
“And you didn't say that you were going to so”?
Now substantiate these allegations with fact and not what you think or in Ur opinion.
Then result to childish insult.
“If you get nicked, I hope you get what you deserve.
You must be thicker than a cow's ear”?
Suggestion, Grow up and talk about what you know about as fact.
I see your in the Falklands shame or id be seeking legal redress for slander.
In your eyes we are guilty of a criminal offence guess what in the eyes of the law we are not?
Now get over it hope you enjoyed the pics.
Reply ID 89694
30/08/2012 by dennismoore
Good grief James, you're displaying petty small mindedness in the extreme.
Did these people break into anyone's home? No.
Did they steal anything? No.
Have they caused anyone any harm? No.
Have they recorded fascinating visual documents of two local buildings and placed them freely in the public domain for eternity? Emphatically YES!!
Reply ID 89695
30/08/2012 by James007
You both entered several properties not owned by you, just as a "hobby".
These are private properties, just like my house, of which you have not been given access, unless you know otherwise. If you want to discuss how you got into the old Hertford Police Station go ahead and tell everyone - we have all seen your website.
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/73429-Police-station-herts-aug-2012
Reply ID 89696
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by dennismoore
Good grief James, you're displaying petty small mindedness in the extreme.
Did these people break into anyone's home? No.
Did they steal anything? No.
Have they caused anyone any harm? No.
Have they recorded fascinating visual documents of two local buildings and placed them freely in the public domain for eternity? Emphatically YES!!
"Did they steal anything? No."
How do you know that?
Let them enter your garden then.
Reply ID 89698
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
So very predictable
I’m sure now as I write my response even before you have replied as u are one of those so very predictable
You will attempt to turn it around and compare with us walking through some ones home taking pictures etc in an attempt to manipulate and steer things yet again far from the reality of the truth as it suits your agenda
Sorry if what we do has offended James but we are far from criminals or burglars.
Your looking at it in all the wrong way
Regarding access we never discuss unless with the Police to explain our presence on site. We do things this way so as to protect the places we visit for mindless vandals and metal thieves etc.
We just use skills learn to come in on different angles not covered via security but that never consists of forcing entry in any way shape or form of that I can assure you and you would be shocked how easy it is to do .
Consists mainly of thinking outside the box is all.
Sorry if I came across as rude as I’m not and if I did so I apologise for doing so.
But dirty thieves we are not
Reply ID 89699
30/08/2012 by publandlord
James007, if you left your window open in your abandonded private house with a load of fascinating s**t left on display, then you should feel lucky that someone sneaked in and had a look and took some photo's and didn't trash/steal all of it.
Stop being such an ass**le.
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by troglodyte
quote:
So you didn't break in to a government building?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161
And you didn't say that you were going to so?
http://governmentbuildings.co.uk/properties/view/255161 height="1" noshade id="quote">
Nowhere on there did I say I was going to 'BREAK IN' I said I was going for a look see if I could get in. Huge difference. To 'break in' would mean we used force.
Anyway I'm not discussing access details on here but I can assure no force was used to gain access. You would be suprised how many windows, doors and other forms of access are left wide open when a building gets left. Jeeze my whole hobby revolves around it. You seriously think I'm stupid enough to go around using 'breaking in' to all these buildings only to post them to the net knowing that I commited a crime to do so? Anyway i don't need to answer to the likes of you, Think what you will makes no difference to what we actually did.
Hobby?? So entering private property is your hobby?
Why won't you discuss "access details on here" if you think that you have done nothing wrong? Were you given permission to access the building? If so, who gave you permission?
If I entered your home when the window was open and took some photos of your kitchen, would you feel comfortable with the fact that I had just trespassed?
I can't believe you posted your criminal antics on a web forum with a video openly showing all of you.
Reply ID 89701
30/08/2012 by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
You both entered several properties not owned by you, just as a "hobby".
These are private properties, just like my house, of which you have not been given access, unless you know otherwise. If you want to discuss how you got into the old Hertford Police Station go ahead and tell everyone - we have all seen your website.
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/73429-Police-station-herts-aug-2012
Do you not think that the pictures of the cop shop highlight shameful negligence on the part of the Police for just leaving uniforms and documents laying around for which questions should be asked?
The Police may have treated entry into the building as 'burglary' but I think that is all smoke and mirrors to obscure procedural failings. They have provided no evidence of theft of items nor any statement regarding damage caused to get into the place.
Furthermore, urban explorers are often providing a good photo record of architectural treasures shamelessly allowed to go to rack and ruin by unconcerned/absent owners.
Reply ID 89702
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
quote:
Originally posted by James007
"Did they steal anything? No."
How do you know that?
Let them enter your garden then.
What do you think gives you the right to assume every thing bad without evidence and convict on your opinion alone and judge every one James ?
Ps I do enjoy gardening a great deal
Thank you members for your comments .
Im sorry I know im new here
Reply ID 89704
30/08/2012 by Enoughofthat
Anyone who has read James007's history of posting will have noticed that he often draws conclusions that others sometimes find extreme.
He places a great significance on rules and tends to see issues as either right or wrong
He takes disability issues very seriously.
I always consider my responses to him with this in mind.
Reply ID 89709
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
I’m former Army sergeant with nine years service not a stupid little kid or thief.
Thank you for sharing that.
Reply ID 89710
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
Oh your so very welcome James for my great disclosure = )
Next time we will post our pics in a section you cannot see at all and so much for shareing.
You dont wish to see herts tunnels ?
Fair enough whilst you talk about it, we go find the answers
Might post some of ur garden lol
Reply ID 89711
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
Oh your so very welcome James for my great disclosure = )
Next time we will post our pics in a section you cannot see at all and so much for shareing.
You dont wish to see herts tunnels ?
Fair enough whilst you talk about it, we go find the answers
Might post some of ur garden lol
Excuse me. Is that a warning that you have access to my home?
Reply ID 89712
30/08/2012 by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
I’m former Army sergeant with nine years service not a stupid little kid or thief.
Thank you for sharing that.
And so ends the interesting and moderately sensible debate
Reply ID 89714
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
Halo into the Falklands to take pics of ur garden ?
oh so very dramatic and James Bondish Grow up please.
No point attempting to talk sence with you as there is none.
Youve done nothing but been offesive,confrontational and attempt to manipulate all.
Doesnt wash with me at all
Reply ID 89715
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
Halo into the Falklands to take pics of ur garden ?
oh so very dramatic and James Bondish Grow up please.
No point attempting to talk sence with you as there is none.
Youve done nothing but been offesive,confrontational and attempt to manipulate all.
Doesnt wash with me at all
Have I? I buy plants. I don't sow seeds and ask people to look at them like you do.
I do not think I have been offensive. I have questioned you (an ex Army sergeant of 9 nine years) as to how you entered Sovereign House and the tunnels as well as any other properties with your army training.
Reply ID 89716
30/08/2012 by James007
And....
Reply ID 89717
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
James What I have found offensive is you comments regarding criminal activity.
I was taught to always look for obvious as ofen it can be as simple as doors etc just not secured at all and then chinks in the armour.
The areas they have missed as wrongly think that you cannot get too as make their assessments based on their own skill levels and their refusal to think outside the box.
Never has and any damage been done or anything forced.
Never has and never would be any thought or reason to take anything other than pictures.
Those are my trophies solely.
As said with all honesty a dirty criminal & thief iam not.
Reply ID 89718
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
quote:
Originally posted by James007
And....
? [:X]
Reply ID 89719
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
James What I have found offensive is you comments regarding criminal activity.
I was taught to always look for obvious as ofen it can be as simple as doors etc just not secured at all and then chinks in the armour.
The areas they have missed as wrongly think that you cannot get too as make their assessments based on their own skill levels and their refusal to think outside the box.
Never has and any damage been done or anything forced.
Never has and never would be any thought or reason to take anything other than pictures.
Those are my trophies solely.
As said with all honesty a dirty criminal & thief iam not.
An ex Army Officer knows, like Police, you cannot enter a building without authority.
As you have stated that are you are an ex-Sergeant of nine years you need to explain which authority gave you permission to enter a building that has tunnels under Hertford and a bunker. We await your reply.
You have entered two government buildings in Hertford and we are concerned that you have done so.
Reply ID 89720
30/08/2012 by steven
quote:
Originally posted by James007
You have entered two government buildings in Hertford and I am concerned that you have done so.
I have fixed that for you.
Reply ID 89721
30/08/2012 by dutch knight
I think it is the royal "we" [:D]
Reply ID 89722
30/08/2012 by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
You have entered two government buildings in Hertford and we are concerned that you have done so.
Balls. Apart from DQ's reasonable concerns regarding exposure to asbestos you appear to be the sole objector.
Reply ID 89723
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
You have entered two government buildings in Hertford and we are concerned that you have done so.
Balls. Apart from DQ's reasonable concerns regarding exposure to asbestos you appear to be the sole objector.
OK. If the ex army sgt enters your home, you will have no complaint?
He and his friends have entered several properties, without permission.
Reply ID 89724
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by steven
quote:
Originally posted by James007
You have entered two government buildings in Hertford and I am concerned that you have done so.
I have fixed that for you.
Ta.
Reply ID 89725
30/08/2012 by dutch knight
You really don't understand what these guys do. Do you ?
Reply ID 89726
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by dutch knight
You really don't understand what these guys do. Do you ?
Yes I do. They enter property illegally. Which bit am I missing?
Reply ID 89727
30/08/2012 by shunt
I view skelton key's activities as a form of instigative journalism. Unlike the established press he does not invade personal privacy, but seems to concentrate on mainly public institutions. IMO that constitutes "in the public interest". Larger broadcasters often go undercover and into places (or even countries) that they do not have express permission to be or film. Ok, this is probably mainly an adrenaline rush for the presenters, but the results are both entertaining and informative.
On the police station report, that documents of that type are not securely destroyed when no longer required, is scandalous and that skeleton key has censored them to remove personal identifiers, suggests a responsible attitude to publication.
Reply ID 89728
30/08/2012 by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
OK. If the ex army sgt enters your home, you will have no complaint?
Yes I would. Providing:
1) I was living there at the time
2) Entry was forced
3) Damage was caused
However those criteria do not apply as far as the 'urbex code' goes.
You don't seem able to grasp those basic concepts and persist with your tedious and spurious argument.
Reply ID 89729
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by shunt
I view skelton key's activities as a form of instigative journalism. Unlike the established press he does not invade personal privacy, but seems to concentrate on mainly public institutions. IMO that constitutes "in the public interest". Larger broadcasters often go undercover and into places (or even countries) that they do not have express permission to be or film. Ok, this is probably mainly an adrenaline rush for the presenters, but the results are both entertaining and informative.
On the police station report, that documents of that type are not securely destroyed when no longer required, is scandalous and that skeleton key has censored them to remove personal identifiers, suggests a responsible attitude to publication.
Do you know that he has removed them?
Reply ID 89730
30/08/2012 by Ted Badger
Can I wave the 'Off Topic' flag just to move this along.
[:)]
Reply ID 89731
30/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by James007
OK. If the ex army sgt enters your home, you will have no complaint?
Yes I would. Providing:
1) I was living there at the time
2) Entry was forced
3) Damage was caused
However those criteria do not apply as far as the 'urbex code' goes.
You don't seem able to grasp those basic concepts and persist with your tedious and spurious argument.
Why are you, amongst everyone, getting upset?
Access to HCC vaults?
The bloke is stating that he is a former army SGT with 9 years service?
Access to Herts Police buildings?
It does not make sense!
Reply ID 89732
30/08/2012 by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by shunt
I view skelton key's activities as a form of instigative journalism. Unlike the established press he does not invade personal privacy, but seems to concentrate on mainly public institutions. IMO that constitutes "in the public interest". Larger broadcasters often go undercover and into places (or even countries) that they do not have express permission to be or film. Ok, this is probably mainly an adrenaline rush for the presenters, but the results are both entertaining and informative.
On the police station report, that documents of that type are not securely destroyed when no longer required, is scandalous and that skeleton key has censored them to remove personal identifiers, suggests a responsible attitude to publication.
Do you know that he has removed them?
Well you put the link up. I presumed you'd seen what you posted.
Reply ID 89734
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
If you’d like an insight into what we do & why we do it the answers is simple.
It allows me to document with photography and text places that more often than not are gone forever tomorrow.
If an uninhabited building is insecure I can enter.
I can even set up residence as a squatter if I were so inclined to do so as long as there is no unlawful or criminal intent or acts carried out whilst doing so.
It is a civil matter not criminal,which you seams not to like one bit.
But that’s the truth of it.
There are different laws that apply to different types of location that always need to be taken in to account and adhered too.
I’m not asking for or need your approval.
My moral compass is in very good order.
Whilst understanding your concerns in truth you have no idea and I suggest in those instances you ask the relevant questions before passing judgment and thinking the worst.
As then based on information opposed to assumption.
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And yes Mr. Bond I edited all name dates etc as have a very good grasp of that aspect of things and for very good reason.
But yet again you’re so looking for the worse in everything and think everybody has to explain and pander to you.
The life and sole of the party = )
Reply ID 89735
30/08/2012 by shunt
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Originally posted by James007
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Originally posted by shunt
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Originally posted by James007
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Originally posted by shunt
I view skelton key's activities as a form of instigative journalism. Unlike the established press he does not invade personal privacy, but seems to concentrate on mainly public institutions. IMO that constitutes "in the public interest". Larger broadcasters often go undercover and into places (or even countries) that they do not have express permission to be or film. Ok, this is probably mainly an adrenaline rush for the presenters, but the results are both entertaining and informative.
On the police station report, that documents of that type are not securely destroyed when no longer required, is scandalous and that skeleton key has censored them to remove personal identifiers, suggests a responsible attitude to publication.
Do you know that he has removed them?
Well you put the link up. I presumed you'd seen what you posted.
Yes
The photos have been altered in MS Paint or similar and sections of text obliterated. That suggests the removal of passages which might identify or point to a particular person, there being no other logical reason for the edits.
Reply ID 89736
30/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
quote:
The photos have been altered in MS Paint or similar and sections of text obliterated. That suggests the removal of passages which might identify or point to a particular person, there being no other logical reason for the edits.
They were indeed shunt and then screen captured so no reversal could be carried out
Reply ID 89737
30/08/2012 by Capitalist piglet
Gawd, I leave the forum for a few hours & it all gets silly. Play nicely children. That includes you Bond.
Reply ID 89738
31/08/2012 by codek2
Just to add further offtopic ness - Squatting is actually criminal from Saturday. So go nuts tonight,but get out tomorrow :)
Anyway, great pics - great stuff. No harm done here. A similar visit was paid to the brewery in hertford and it produced some stunning pictures. Not sure how much of that is left since Sainsburys restored the building. ( I would also assume it's no longer possible to gain access either )
Reply ID 89739
31/08/2012 by Joe
Oh my I've been a naughty boy then.
I was the person who originally posted on 28days later, leads & rumour section (yes I'm Ex-Pat) a link to this thread so that Urban Explorers could know that the building is now vacant.
So by James's way of thinking I must be guilty of "Inciting to commit breaking and entry and burglary" as I was the person that informed them of the building status.
Better send the cops round quick to arrest me!!![:o)]
PS. Good Morning SK & Trog.
Reply ID 89744
31/08/2012 by Billywindsock
I like the fact that these buildings have been documented in an abandoned state. Having explored an old factory when I was a kid, I can understand the fascination. When these places have gone, in fifty years it will be interesting to look back and see what was there.
Reply ID 89749
31/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Joe
Oh my I've been a naughty boy then.
I was the person who originally posted on 28days later, leads & rumour section (yes I'm Ex-Pat) a link to this thread so that Urban Explorers could know that the building is now vacant.
So by James's way of thinking I must be guilty of "Inciting to commit breaking and entry and burglary" as I was the person that informed them of the building status.
Better send the cops round quick to arrest me!!![:o)]
PS. Good Morning SK & Trog.
Admission of advising someone to break and enter a building confirmed by Joe:
Oh my I've been a naughty boy then.
I was the person who originally posted on 28days later, leads & rumour section (yes I'm Ex-Pat) a link to this thread so that Urban Explorers could know that the building is now vacant.
So by James's way of thinking I must be guilty of "Inciting to commit breaking and entry and burglary" as I was the person that informed them of the building status.
Better send the cops round quick to arrest me!!!
PS. Good Morning SK & Trog.
Reply ID 89750
31/08/2012 by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Joe
Oh my I've been a naughty boy then.
I was the person who originally posted on 28days later, leads & rumour section (yes I'm Ex-Pat) a link to this thread so that Urban Explorers could know that the building is now vacant.
So by James's way of thinking I must be guilty of "Inciting to commit breaking and entry and burglary" as I was the person that informed them of the building status.
Better send the cops round quick to arrest me!!![:o)]
PS. Good Morning SK & Trog.
Admission of advising someone to break and enter a building confirmed by Joe:
Oh my I've been a naughty boy then.
I was the person who originally posted on 28days later, leads & rumour section (yes I'm Ex-Pat) a link to this thread so that Urban Explorers could know that the building is now vacant.
So by James's way of thinking I must be guilty of "Inciting to commit breaking and entry and burglary" as I was the person that informed them of the building status.
Better send the cops round quick to arrest me!!!
PS. Good Morning SK & Trog.
Since there has been no breaking and entry and no burglary, sarcastic irony is about all Joe has admitted. As far as I am aware, that is not a capitol offence, a huge, shouty bold typeface offence, or any type of criminal offence. It has already been clearly stated that these escapades involve no forced entry and nothing is taken, damaged or disturbed.
Reply ID 89751
31/08/2012 by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by shunt
It has already been clearly stated that these escapades involve no forced entry and nothing is taken, damaged or disturbed.
Use a bigger font shunt - he may understand it then [:(]
Reply ID 89755
31/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Since there has been no breaking and entry and no burglary, sarcastic irony is about all Joe has admitted. As far as I am aware, that is not a capitol offence, a huge, shouty bold typeface offence, or any type of criminal offence. It has already been clearly stated that these escapades involve no forced entry and nothing is taken, damaged or disturbed.
Let me get this right then; All of the buildings on the website (which Joe has the privilege of knowing) had doors and/or windows open?
If that is the case, why are Skeleton Key and Troglodyte setting off alarms and openly admitting it?
Either Joe, Skeleton Key or Troglodyte has entered several buildings without permission. That is burglary, not trespass. Alarms are set for a reason.
Briggens House?
Sovereign House?
The Old Police Station?
I wonder if all three of them have considered entering a private home with a window open (justifying trespass) with an Alsatian smiling at them.
They keep on mentioning dogs and security personnel rupturing their exploits; why are they worried if they think they are doing nothing wrong?
Reply ID 89756
31/08/2012 by Quatermass
quote:
Originally posted by codek2
Just to add further offtopic ness - Squatting is actually criminal from Saturday. So go nuts tonight,but get out tomorrow :)
Only in an residential property.
Reply ID 89757
31/08/2012 by Leo Densian
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Originally posted by James007
Either Joe, Skeleton Key or Troglodyte has entered several buildings without permission. That is burglary, not trespass.
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Wrong again. The definition of burglary requires a theft or GBH against a person.
Reply ID 89758
31/08/2012 by aubend
James007 I distinctly remember you breaking and entering a building.
Reply ID 89759
31/08/2012 by Billywindsock
Just ignore him.
Reply ID 89760
31/08/2012 by Skeleton Key
Rest assured Mr Bond your agenda is so very clear and so flawed.
You have achieved nothing other than shown you have no grasp of the law
Civil or criminal and feel you should stand for election and then maybe you can change them instead of inventing your own and making a fool of yourself.
There are laws to protect me from slanderous urchins like you
But I do have to say it has made for some very humour us moments and I regret not being a fly on the wall and to have been able to have seen your face as you hammer away at the key board.
I’ve not seen anyone attempt so hard to muddy the water and bend the reality of things to justify their opinion.
Suggest you put your toys back in your pram and stop stamping your feet
As very un becoming of a grown man
Get the baby a bib
Ps sorry Joe evening lol
Yep Joe's the head of the organisation Mr Bond in our attempt for world domination = )
Reply ID 89761
31/08/2012 by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
Rest assured Mr Bond your agenda is so very clear and so flawed.
You have achieved nothing other than shown you have no grasp of the law
Civil or criminal and feel you should stand for election and then maybe you can change them instead of inventing your own and making a fool of yourself.
There are laws to protect me from slanderous urchins like you
But I do have to say it has made for some very humour us moments and I regret not being a fly on the wall and to have been able to have seen your face as you hammer away at the key board.
I’ve not seen anyone attempt so hard to muddy the water and bend the reality of things to justify their opinion.
Suggest you put your toys back in your pram and stop stamping your feet
As very un becoming of a grown man
Get the baby a bib
Thanks. You illegally enter property without permission.
That makes you and your subjects to be criminals.
FACT!
Show us all these photographs of open doors and open windows where you claim that trespass is allowed and nothing was illegally forced.
Reply ID 89762
31/08/2012 by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Skeleton Key
Rest assured Mr Bond your agenda is so very clear and so flawed.
You have achieved nothing other than shown you have no grasp of the law
Civil or criminal and feel you should stand for election and then maybe you can change them instead of inventing your own and making a fool of yourself.
There are laws to protect me from slanderous urchins like you
But I do have to say it has made for some very humour us moments and I regret not being a fly on the wall and to have been able to have seen your face as you hammer away at the key board.
I’ve not seen anyone attempt so hard to muddy the water and bend the reality of things to justify their opinion.
Suggest you put your toys back in your pram and stop stamping your feet
As very un becoming of a grown man
Get the baby a bib
Thanks. You illegally enter property without permission.
That makes you and your subjects to be criminals.
FACT!
Show us all these photographs of open doors and open windows where you claim that trespass is allowed and nothing was illegally forced.
Trespass is a very odd law James. It's not as simple as most believe and a civil law. I'm afraid putting "fact" in capitals next to your statement, doesn't make it one.
Reply ID 89763
01/09/2012 by Skeleton Key
Dummy slipped again Bond.
Making the law up again? Yes we are arnt we
If what I did was criminal rest assured I would be taken before the courts and rightly convicted
But I havnt Bond
FACT!
Sorry this disappoints you lol and I’ve visited several hundred locations over the past few years [:)]
Bloods boiling because things arnt going the way you think they should be is all
Trying to get out of your pram again =)
James a little news flash for you.
You’re the one making allegation
You’re the one who’s supposed to have evidence to substantiate them
You don’t as un true and all you’ve come up with is a load of childish drivel.
FACT
Reply ID 89765
01/09/2012 by shunt
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Originally posted by Skeleton Key
Dummy slipped again Bond.
Making the law up again? Yes we are arnt we
If what I did was criminal rest assured I would be taken before the courts and rightly convicted
But I havnt Bond
FACT!
Sorry this disappoints you lol and I’ve visited several hundred locations over the past few years [:)]
Bloods boiling because things arnt going the way you think they should be is all
Trying to get out of your pram again =)
James a little news flash for you.
You’re the one making allegation
You’re the one who’s supposed to have evidence to substantiate them
You don’t as un true and all you’ve come up with is a load of childish drivel.
FACT
It is easy to be wound up by 007. Be cool. We get it.
Reply ID 89766
01/09/2012 by Admin
I think a cooling off period is in order
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