Topic ID 6605
Just in case anyone is ever looking for where Waterloo Terrace stood. I have finally located in on a 1860 map on the right had side of Bengeo Street about 1/2 way between Trinity Grove and Warren Park Road. Not of interest to many people I know but someone asked at HALS the other day and they were not sure so this is just in case anyone ever googles it really! I had seen it on the censuses but was never sure where exactly it stood.
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One of the houses has a name plaque to that effect.
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quote:Has it thats interesting never spotted that!
Originally posted by Anorak
One of the houses has a name plaque to that effect.
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I believe the photos of those houses in the Hertford Museum archive are labelled as such.
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quote:Had a look while I was in and they certainly have the houses in the group from Trinty Grove down towards Port Hill as "Waterloo Terrace" I was suprised by that as I had assumed that it would have been much smaller properties further down that gave way to the "Villas". Does anyone know when the ones by Trinity Grove were built as Waterloo Terrace is on a map of 1860 and I would have thopught those were later than that?
Originally posted by mr_tim
I believe the photos of those houses in the Hertford Museum archive at labelled as such.
Reply ID 88334
quote:There is another plaque on one set of cottages opposite the Co-op which I believe states the date.
Originally posted by Marilynquote:Had a look while I was in and they certainly have the houses in the group from Trinty Grove down towards Port Hill as "Waterloo Terrace" I was suprised by that as I had assumed that it would have been much smaller properties further down that gave way to the "Villas". Does anyone know when the ones by Trinity Grove were built as Waterloo Terrace is on a map of 1860 and I would have thopught those were later than that?
Originally posted by mr_tim
I believe the photos of those houses in the Hertford Museum archive at labelled as such.
Reply ID 88335
quote:Must walk down and have a look I think the smaller ones opposite the Co-op are much more likely to be the ones......
Originally posted by Victor Meldrewquote:There is another plaque on one set of cottages opposite the Co-op which I believe states the date.
Originally posted by Marilynquote:Had a look while I was in and they certainly have the houses in the group from Trinty Grove down towards Port Hill as "Waterloo Terrace" I was suprised by that as I had assumed that it would have been much smaller properties further down that gave way to the "Villas". Does anyone know when the ones by Trinity Grove were built as Waterloo Terrace is on a map of 1860 and I would have thopught those were later than that?
Originally posted by mr_tim
I believe the photos of those houses in the Hertford Museum archive at labelled as such.
Reply ID 88338
My house opposite the Co-op has a plaque with "Alexandra Place 1863" written on it - is this what you are talking about ? Was my house built when this Waterloo Terrace was knocked down ? I would be interested know the history. Also what is the Alexandra connection - is it another battle - or am I imagining something from my School history days.
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quote:Ah now that is interesting..........on the 1860 map when Port Hill House started selling land and opened up 1/2 its drive to beome part of the then Molewood Road (now Cross Road) there only seems to be Waterloo Terrace that side until you get to the school and church or the houses on the corner of what is now Warren park Road, I will checek the censuses and see exactly how many Waterloo Terrace was on as I can't remember off hand..............if Alexandra Place is on there I will let you know. 1863 is the year Edward Prince of Wales later (Edward 7th) married Alexandra so I would think thats the connection on that one
Originally posted by theadmans
My house opposite the Co-op has a plaque with "Alexandra Place 1863" written on it - is this what you are talking about ? Was my house built when this Waterloo Terrace was knocked down ? I would be interested know the history. Also what is the Alexandra connection - is it another battle - or am I imagining something from my School history days.
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Just looked up the 1881 census The corner of Trinity Grove is The Eagle then numbers 78 to 89 consecutive, (they re numbered at some point after that) then 1 to 6 Waterloo Terrace then Warrren Park and Danes Hill so need to count the houses I think! 1871 Again The Eagle then both Waterloo Terrace and Alexandra Place are listed but no numbers and mixed up with Port Hill House, The Cedars, Lime Tree Cottage etc so it is difficult to tell what is where as they don't seem to be in any order or even all on one side of the road! 1861 is even worse Bengeo Street is just a list of names but it does have Waterloo Terrace listed between Trinity Grove and Warren Field so if threadmans house was built 1863 then I don't think it was Waterloo Terrace..................unless it was built before that and they renamed some in 1863?
Reply ID 88344
1891 we have Waterloo Terrace followed by Alexandra Place, then The Eagle then Trinity Grove so that suggest that my first thought that Waterloo Terrace stood where the villas are could be right.......................... 1901 we have Warrenfield and The Lodge then Bengeo Street even no's 4 to 40 "The Eagle" then Trinity Grove so the names don't appear on that one in 1911 Waterloo Terrace is back between 20 and 10 Bengeo Street ( possibly 8 as well) then a couple that are difficult to place (if they are in order) one called St Leonards Place, one just Bengeo ! then Warrenfield.
Reply ID 88352
quote:...fascinating - at last - I now know why my house has the name "Alexandra" on it - thanks for your input Marilyn.
Originally posted by Marilyn 1863 is the year Edward Prince of Wales later (Edward 7th) married Alexandra so I would think thats the connection on that one
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quote:Not "proof" but seems likely!
Originally posted by theadmansquote:...fascinating - at last - I now know why my house has the name "Alexandra" on it - thanks for your input Marilyn.
Originally posted by Marilyn 1863 is the year Edward Prince of Wales later (Edward 7th) married Alexandra so I would think thats the connection on that one
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Waterloo Terrace has the date 1853 or 4 I believe. It's the houses with the big bricks opposite the co-op/club
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quote:They must be the ones listed as "being built" on the 1851 census then.
Originally posted by Anorak
Waterloo Terrace has the date 1853 or 4 I believe. It's the houses with the big bricks opposite the co-op/club
Reply ID 88370
quote:...as I said before my house is one of the ones opposite the Co-op and has the "Alexandra Place 1863" inscription. So if what you are saying is correct then my house was built in 1853/54 and then renamed "Alexandra Place" in 1863 (perhaps when the Royal Wedding took place). Have to say I am surprised my house is that old. The brick built construction looks quite modern for 1853 (although I am no expert).
Originally posted by Anorak
Waterloo Terrace has the date 1853 or 4 I believe. It's the houses with the big bricks opposite the co-op/club
Reply ID 88373
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quote:I had the same thought, I wonder if they were orginally built as lathe and plaster like the ones on Port Hill then "Modernised" at some point but some kept the names of older buildings or re-used the name "Waterloo Terrace" and added "Alexandra Place" to some of them......................will have to do some more in depth research at HALS on it !
Originally posted by theadmansquote:...as I said before my house is one of the ones opposite the Co-op and has the "Alexandra Place 1863" inscription. So if what you are saying is correct then my house was built in 1853/54 and then renamed "Alexandra Place" in 1863 (perhaps when the Royal Wedding took place). Have to say I am surprised my house is that old. The brick built construction looks quite modern for 1853 (although I am no expert).
Originally posted by Anorak
Waterloo Terrace has the date 1853 or 4 I believe. It's the houses with the big bricks opposite the co-op/club
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quote:...yes anything you can find out Marilyn would be great! Our first house was actually one of the Lathe and Plaster jobs on Port Hill which were early 19th Century. So when we moved up the hill to Alexandra Place (Waterloo Terrace) it felt like the house was a lot newer. Straight walls, floors and ceilings what a novelty !
Originally posted by Marilynquote:I had the same thought, I wonder if they were orginally built as lathe and plaster like the ones on Port Hill then "Modernised" at some point but some kept the names of older buildings or re-used the name "Waterloo Terrace" and added "Alexandra Place" to some of them......................will have to do some more in depth research at HALS on it !
Originally posted by theadmansquote:...as I said before my house is one of the ones opposite the Co-op and has the "Alexandra Place 1863" inscription. So if what you are saying is correct then my house was built in 1853/54 and then renamed "Alexandra Place" in 1863 (perhaps when the Royal Wedding took place). Have to say I am surprised my house is that old. The brick built construction looks quite modern for 1853 (although I am no expert).
Originally posted by Anorak
Waterloo Terrace has the date 1853 or 4 I believe. It's the houses with the big bricks opposite the co-op/club
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I will let you know, the 1841 tythe map might tell us something, I only have the top part of that around the greyhound so need to look a bit further down next time I am at HALS The 1841 census just lists everyone as "Bengeo Village" so no idea from that where the houses/cottages were but the battle of waterloo was 1815 so I would have thought the original Waterloo Cottages would be nearer that date than the 1850's.................we will see
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I took a walk past the cottages lower down from mine today. These are the ones that are of a smaller darker brick than the big orangey/red ones used in my cottage (mine is directly opposite the Co-op). Anyway this other terrace of cottages has a plaque I have not seen before. It is difficult to read as it looks like it has been painted over. However, it appears to say :- "Waterloo Terrace - Port Hill - 1851" - is this the mystery solved ! Can't believe I haven't noticed it before. So it appears my house is "Alexandra Place 1863" and never was "Waterloo Terrace". In the words of Abba "Waterloo - finally facing my Waterloo" [:D]
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quote:Certainly thats a help but I still think there were some even erlier ones that were part of Waterloo Terrace further down opposite The Cedars. I suspect as they were removed and newer ones built the name moved up the road but I will see if I can find out for sure. Even 1851 seems a long time after the battle!
Originally posted by theadmans
I took a walk past the cottages lower down from mine today. These are the ones that are of a smaller darker brick than the big orangey/red ones used in my cottage (mine is directly opposite the Co-op). Anyway this other terrace of cottages has a plaque I have not seen before. It is difficult to read as it looks like it has been painted over. However, it appears to say :- "Waterloo Terrace - Port Hill - 1851" - is this the mystery solved ! Can't believe I haven't noticed it before. So it appears my house is "Alexandra Place 1863" and never was "Waterloo Terrace". In the words of Abba "Waterloo - finally facing my Waterloo" [:D]
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[/quote] ...yes anything you can find out Marilyn would be great! Our first house was actually one of the Lathe and Plaster jobs on Port Hill which were early 19th Century. So when we moved up the hill to Alexandra Place (Waterloo Terrace) it felt like the house was a lot newer. Straight walls, floors and ceilings what a novelty ! [/quote] I should have asked what number Port Hill my father was born at 77, one of the small top ones knocked down where the new builds are, then they moved to 47. My Gt Grandfather and family lived in both 63 and 65 at the same time (they were a big family) my Gt Uncle 69 and another Gt Uncle no 61 and 59 at different times.
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quote:...yes anything you can find out Marilyn would be great! Our first house was actually one of the Lathe and Plaster jobs on Port Hill which were early 19th Century. So when we moved up the hill to Alexandra Place (Waterloo Terrace) it felt like the house was a lot newer. Straight walls, floors and ceilings what a novelty ! [/quote] I should have asked what number Port Hill my father was born at 77, one of the small top ones knocked down where the new builds are, then they moved to 47. My Gt Grandfather and family lived in both 63 and 65 at the same time (they were a big family) my Gt Uncle 69 and another Gt Uncle no 61 and 59 at different times. [/quote] ...looks like we shared an address with one of your Gt Uncles - our first house was N. 59. We moved in around 1996 and were there for around 4 years.
Originally posted by Marilyn
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quote:I should have asked what number Port Hill my father was born at 77, one of the small top ones knocked down where the new builds are, then they moved to 47. My Gt Grandfather and family lived in both 63 and 65 at the same time (they were a big family) my Gt Uncle 69 and another Gt Uncle no 61 and 59 at different times. [/quote] ...looks like we shared an address with one of your Gt Uncles - our first house was N. 59. We moved in around 1996 and were there for around 4 years. [/quote] Small world .............!
Originally posted by theadmansquote:...yes anything you can find out Marilyn would be great! Our first house was actually one of the Lathe and Plaster jobs on Port Hill which were early 19th Century. So when we moved up the hill to Alexandra Place (Waterloo Terrace) it felt like the house was a lot newer. Straight walls, floors and ceilings what a novelty !
Originally posted by Marilyn