Topic ID 6558
I can't help but feel a little disturbed at passersby being issued a verbal warning by a CCTV camera near the bike area of Hertford North. Makes you jump out of your skin if your not expecting it [:0]
Reply ID 87797
If it deters thieves then it seems a good measure to me.
Reply ID 87799
Maybe a good measure, but it is activated by every passerby, so in the evening rush hour it just sounds like it is stuck on repeat. It even went off 4 times when I was locking my bike up at 6:15 this morning, so I don't think the near neighbours will be too happy!
Reply ID 87802
I see there is also a new camera in Beane Road , covering the station from afar .
Reply ID 87809
I'd be happier with a reverse CCTV so that those in the control room (or Board Room) could hear what the would-be passengers think when their trains are cancelled and delayed.
Reply ID 87822
What does the announcement say?
Reply ID 87825
It says something like - "Attention! This area is covered by CCTV and is recorded 24 hours a day".
Reply ID 87826
quote:Wow.........! Not wishing to stoke a bunch of twigs into a flame but Network Rail aren't aloud (sic) to do that outside of the building. Where are the speakers based where local residents can hear it?
Originally posted by Forbes
It says something like - "Attention! This area is covered by CCTV and is recorded 24 hours a day".
Reply ID 87829
what makes you think it's anything to do with network rail? network rail certainly don't manage either Hertford station. But then neither do FCC - they outsource it. Whoever manages it, I dont see why they wouldnt be allowed to do this.?
Reply ID 87831
quote:Network Rail own every part of Hertford North and lease it to the current operator. Any structural changes are dealt with and sanctioned by Network Rail at Hitchin and the operator for the 'Hertford Loop' will have had to gain permission to make these 'announcements'. Personally I haven't heard them so cannot comment on how loud they are but if they are being broadcast as early as 6.15am then I think it is reasonable to suggest that this might be a bit over the top. If there is a problem at HN, then live surveillance cameras and VERY LARGE NON-SHOUTY signage (the bill boards maybe??) are all that is needed at that time of the morning. Either that or visible security men as the Hertford East operator is now employing. Saying that, sadly in this age, a thief would steal a bike or vault a barrier on the percentage theory - 51% says I get away with it, 49% says I don't.
Originally posted by codek2
what makes you think it's anything to do with network rail? network rail certainly don't manage either Hertford station. But then neither do FCC - they outsource it. Whoever manages it, I dont see why they wouldnt be allowed to do this.?
Reply ID 87838
If the loudspeaker is outside then it is regulated by the Noise and Statutory Nuisance Act 1993 which states:
quote:If it's inside the station then it might be covered by The Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 and falls under Night Time Noise. The act states:
Loudspeakers The use of loudspeakers in the streets is banned between 9.00 pm and 8.00 am (the police, ambulance and fire brigade are exempt). Local authorities can license use outside these hours – e.g. for entertainment but not for advertising purposes or electioneering. Vehicles selling perishable foods may use loudspeakers between 12.00 noon and 7.00 pm and these times can be varied with local authority consent. Complaints about loudspeakers or chimes should be made to the environmental health department.
quote:[url] http://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/noise/environmental-noise/noise-pollution/[/url] Is the problem here that when it does "speak" it makes you jump, then maybe sign's saying "Talking CCTV installed" would help to pre-warn people of the annnouncement, or is the problem that it's noisy and is repeating the same message 24/7? If it's the latter then it's covered under one of the above laws.
Night time noise The Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 amended the Noise Act 1996 and enables local authorities in England and Wales to tackle night time noise emitted from dwellings and gardens between the hours of 11.00 pm and 7.00 am. To enforce these powers local authorities must ensure that an environmental health officer takes reasonable steps to investigate complaints about noise emitted from dwellings. If the officer is satisfied that noise exceeds the permitted level, a warning notice may be served on the person responsible. If the warning is ignored, the officer may issue a fixed penalty notice of £100, enter the dwelling and confiscate the noise making equipment (obstructing confiscation carries a fine of up to £1000), or prosecute (fine up to £1000). In Scotland similar action can be taken under the Anti-Social Behaviour (Noise Control) (Scotland) Regulations 2005.An extension of the Noise Act came into force in February 2008, enabling local authorities in England and Wales to tackle night time noise from licensed premises.
Reply ID 87840
Hi Joe, the speaker is outside and it appears to be on 24hrs as I passed it just before midnight and at that time of night it seems fairly loud, certainly made me and the dog jump [:I]
Reply ID 87843
quote:Hi Forbes. It should be covered by the Noise and Statutory Nuisance Act 1993, unless they have a license from the local authorities allowing them to have it.
Originally posted by Forbes
Hi Joe, the speaker is outside and it appears to be on 24hrs as I passed it just before midnight and at that time of night it seems fairly loud, certainly made me and the dog jump [:I]
Reply ID 87844
I would not hold your breath waiting for the local authorities to act but it might be worth contacting the environmental health officer if you live near this.
Reply ID 87846
Speaker and sensor are on the wall next to the bike racks. The problem is the sensor picks up people walking on the pavement, rather than just those entering the bike racks
Reply ID 87848
quote:Yes, if you live near this and IF you are bothered about it. I haven't read a post on here from anyone who lives near the station, who can hear the announcement and who is disturbed by it. Until I hear such I assume it is not a problem but a potential benefit if it deters bike thieves.
Originally posted by night owl
I would not hold your breath waiting for the local authorities to act but it might be worth contacting the environmental health officer if you live near this.
Reply ID 87852
Have I got this right, it goes off whenever it senses movement - even if you're leaving/collect a bike?
Reply ID 87853
quote:Yes. I don't think they have the technology to differentiate between a bike thief and a bike owner.
Originally posted by Steve
Have I got this right, it goes off whenever it senses movement - even if you're leaving/collect a bike?
Reply ID 87861
quote:So its completely indiscriminate then. Legitimate users of the bicycle parking area are "warned" that they're being recorded.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Yes. I don't think they have the technology to differentiate between a bike thief and a bike owner.
Originally posted by Steve
Have I got this right, it goes off whenever it senses movement - even if you're leaving/collect a bike?
Reply ID 87865
quote:I would assume so. Though it should give them a degree of comfort as to the security for the bikes.
Originally posted by Stevequote:So its completely indiscriminate then. Legitimate users of the bicycle parking area are "warned" that they're being recorded.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Yes. I don't think they have the technology to differentiate between a bike thief and a bike owner.
Originally posted by Steve
Have I got this right, it goes off whenever it senses movement - even if you're leaving/collect a bike?