Topic ID 6469
I assume that the closures of Tower Street and Cross Road is for resurficing, at least I hope so. Anyone know why Wellington Street and Byde Street will be closed for 14 weeks from April / May?
Reply ID 86898
I've heard it's because new gas pipes are being laid throughout the area but I don't know if that's accurate.
Reply ID 86904
Ah could be it would make sense, just wondered as normally they say what for but these notices don't seem to. I expect the gas pipes are as old as the houses in that area.
Reply ID 86905
From Roadworks.org:
quote:OR
The Avenue, Bengeo, Hertford, Hertfordshire 19/03/2012 to 21/03/2012 (estimated) Slight impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: Three Valleys Water Local authority: Hertfordshire County Council Queries about this work should be addressed to Three Valleys Water Please quote the works reference MX042237370800 Works reference: MX042237370800 Works location description: OUTSIDE 5, THE AVENUE, BENGEO, HERTFORD, HERTFORDSHIRE Works description: Install 1 x 50mm New Water Service - Excavation in the CW/Verge/FW - Potential Open Cut Trench Works of 6.0m in the CW / 1.2m in the Verge / 1.4m in the FW - Working wiht Chapter 8 Signing & Guarding & 2 Way Traffic Lights Works category: Minor Works state: Advanced planning Traffic management: Traffic Control (Two-Way Signals) Works details last modified: 13:30 on 14/03/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012
quote:Not exactly Tower Street and Cross Road but chances are it's to do with one of those two as there the only two roadwordworks listed in the area.
B158 Bengeo Street, Bengeo, Hertford, Hertfordshire 16/03/2012 to 23/03/2012 (estimated) Slight impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: UK Power Networks Local authority: Hertfordshire County Council Queries about this work should be addressed to UK Power Networks Please quote the works reference EC21034634904 Works reference: EC21034634904 Works location description: OS 166 COL 512 Works description: Network Operations: PL Fault: Works category: Immediate - Urgent Works state: Work in progress Traffic management: None/Signing Only Works details last modified: 10:30 on 16/03/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012
Reply ID 86906
Thanks Joe Didn't know about that site. I see those are both March so maybe April and May are put on later.
Reply ID 86907
Cross Road, Bengeo, Hertford, Hertfordshire Permit reference: FM05119100343 Works location description: Duncombe Rd To Bengeo Street Works description: Carriageway Microsurfacing. Working Hours: 09.30-16.30 Works category: Major Works state: Advanced planning Traffic management: Road Closure Works details last modified: 09:30 on 08/03/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 ------------------------------------------- Cross Road, Bengeo, Hertford, Hertfordshire Forward planned roadwork or obstruction 01/04/2012 to 31/03/2013 (estimated) Unknown impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: Hertfordshire County Council Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 These works have been provisionally planned to take place, and final details may vary. In particular, the dates provided sometimes represent a broad timescale, and may not indicate exact start and end dates. ------------------------------------------- Warren Park Road, Bengeo, Hertford, Hertfordshire Current roadwork 15/03/2012 to 28/03/2012 (estimated) Minimal impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: BT Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 ---------------------------------------- This a good website for notice of on-going works or advanced notice of planned works. BT OpenZone is very active in Hertford at the moment performing ground surveys so they may well be clogging up a lot of streets. Home in on the map section: http://hertfordshire.roadworks.org/
Reply ID 86908
I see they are doing New Road as well ........must be doing a lot while the machine is in one place, sensible planning for one!
Reply ID 86909
As well as Palmer Rd, Parker Ave and Gosselin Rd
Reply ID 86910
Not just Bengeo either. I'm sure it's no co-incidence that it's the start of the financial year.
Reply ID 86911
------------------------------------------------------- 28/05/2012 to 13/07/2012 (estimated) Moderate impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: National Grid Gas Plc Local authority: Hertfordshire County Council Queries about this work should be addressed to National Grid Gas Plc Please quote the works reference AZ008001000000776/0001 Works reference: AZ008001000000776/0001 Works location description: From the jnc with Byde Street - the jnc with Port Vale Works description: Lay 170m x 75mmpe. Abandon 170m x 100di. There will be approx 20servicesaffected. Our intended method of works will be insertion. Works category: Major Works state: Advanced planning Traffic management: Road Closure Works details last modified: 09:30 on 03/01/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 ---------------------------------------------------
Reply ID 86912
quote:I would imagine that these works are involving National Grid opening up the supply for BT Openzone who require access to give residents new internet access. I might be wrong, but their vehicles are all over the place in Hertford at the moment. Look out for the PE colour of the pipe/tube going into the ground. PE is classified like this: Blue or New Blue - For potable water supply below the ground Orange - For gas supply below the ground (National Grid) Black - For global water and gas supplies, UK potable water supplies (All utilities) above the ground and industrial (sewerage, mining, and quarry) applications above and below the ground.
Originally posted by Steve
------------------------------------------------------- 28/05/2012 to 13/07/2012 (estimated) Moderate impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: National Grid Gas Plc Local authority: Hertfordshire County Council Queries about this work should be addressed to National Grid Gas Plc Please quote the works reference AZ008001000000776/0001 Works reference: AZ008001000000776/0001 Works location description: From the jnc with Byde Street - the jnc with Port Vale Works description: Lay 170m x 75mmpe. Abandon 170m x 100di. There will be approx 20servicesaffected. Our intended method of works will be insertion. Works category: Major Works state: Advanced planning Traffic management: Road Closure Works details last modified: 09:30 on 03/01/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 ---------------------------------------------------
Reply ID 86913
quote:"Responsibility for these works: National Grid Gas Plc" [:)]
Originally posted by James007
I would imagine that these works are involving National Grid opening up the supply for BT Openzone who require access to give residents new internet access. I might be wrong, but their vehicles are all over the place in Hertford at the moment. Look out for the PE colour of the pipe/tube going into the ground. PE is classified like this: Blue or New Blue - For potable water supply below the ground Orange - For gas supply below the ground (National Grid) Black - For global water and gas supplies, UK potable water supplies (All utilities) above the ground and industrial (sewerage, mining, and quarry) applications above and below the ground.
Reply ID 86914
quote:The road closure raises the all important question of how will that effect the users of the "rat-run" ? [:p] heaven forbid they might have to use "normal" roads.
Originally posted by Steve
------------------------------------------------------- 28/05/2012 to 13/07/2012 (estimated) Moderate impact on journey time Responsibility for these works: National Grid Gas Plc Local authority: Hertfordshire County Council Queries about this work should be addressed to National Grid Gas Plc Please quote the works reference AZ008001000000776/0001 Works reference: AZ008001000000776/0001 Works location description: From the jnc with Byde Street - the jnc with Port Vale Works description: Lay 170m x 75mmpe. Abandon 170m x 100di. There will be approx 20servicesaffected. Our intended method of works will be insertion. Works category: Major Works state: Advanced planning Traffic management: Road Closure Works details last modified: 09:30 on 03/01/2012 Last updated on Elgin: 02:48 on 17/03/2012 ---------------------------------------------------
Reply ID 86915
quote:It happened before, a number of times, for the same type of work. There were no reported traffic problems then.
Originally posted by Joe [ The road closure raises the all important question of how will that effect the users of the "rat-run" ? [:p] heaven forbid they might have to use "normal" roads.
Reply ID 86917
There are light at the junction of The Avenue and Church Road so maybe they have started.................
Reply ID 86923
Byde street, port vale, balfour st, nelson street are signposted to be closed for 14-24 weeks!! Does any one know how this will effect parking outside our houses? Charlotte
Reply ID 86924
I have just spoken to Kirstie at National Grid Enquiries. She tried to be helpful and almost was. The old metal pipes (her words) that run up to our meters are being replaced with plastic ones as "obviously" they won't last as long as new plastic ones. (The new pipes are fed through the old ones.) Work starts on 2 April for up to 20 weeks. Kirstie doesn't know the order in which the streets will be closed and the work done but says she will phone me back. There will be clear diversions but residents will be allowed through to park where available. Residents will be told in advance about the closure and that it will mean their gas and water being turned off in the morning for a few hours whilst the work is done. They will then check everything is working again before sodding off and leaving you with no heating or water (my words, not Kirstie's). It will be a feat of monumental proportions if the area retains 100% electricity and cable coverage during the period and all properties affected also have gas and water returned to full working order by the end of the day. (Again, my word's not Kirstie's.)
Reply ID 86925
Thanks Paul.... it sounds like it is going to be a nightmare!!!
Reply ID 86927
quote:Reported by whom, to whom? I'd be interested in accessing a statistical source of this kind.
Originally posted by Paulquote:It happened before, a number of times, for the same type of work. There were no reported traffic problems then.
Originally posted by Joe [ The road closure raises the all important question of how will that effect the users of the "rat-run" ? [:p] heaven forbid they might have to use "normal" roads.
Reply ID 86928
When they changed the pipes in my parents road they could not park outside their house for the whole period. Wasn't a problem as it was a private road with space for everyone to park their cars but Wellington St, hell that will be a whole different ball game. One things for sure - Mum's with prams will be able to walk freely on the paths in lower bengeo, but's that's a different topic...
Reply ID 86929
quote:It happened about ten years ago, Byde Street was closed for two weeks. It was during the school term and I don't remember there being extra congestion on Port Hill as a result.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Reported by whom, to whom? I'd be interested in accessing a statistical source of this kind.
Originally posted by Paulquote:It happened before, a number of times, for the same type of work. There were no reported traffic problems then.
Originally posted by Joe [ The road closure raises the all important question of how will that effect the users of the "rat-run" ? [:p] heaven forbid they might have to use "normal" roads.
Reply ID 87248
The road closures have been pushed back until the 16th around byde street, have not heard anything about it from the council ect.... am still very worried about the parking situation! 4-6 months is a very long time!
Reply ID 87261
It is a long time and its going to make car journeys much more difficult for Bengeo residents (lower, middle and upper!) also. I will have to use Bengeo Street much more and no doubt many others will also - it is bound to increase congestion significantly. I am surprised you reckon there was no extra congestion on Port Hill when there was a closure previously Dennis - it will be interesting to see this time
Reply ID 87593
As part of the Bengeo roadworks, New Road was recently resurfaced. As it appeared that they just laid a surface coating of tarmac over the existing road, not sure how long it will last. Also pleased to see that Highways have got their priorities right. They have repainted the road markings, but left "raised iron works" unrepaired. Woe betide motorcyclists in the dark.
Reply ID 87594
This is the method that they have used in Sele farm for a lot of roads. They put a leaflet through most peoples doors explaining the procedure,stating that the first layer that they put down fills all the cracks and holes and seals the road,before putting the top layers on. They say that this method is the way that most roads will be resurfaced now as it actually lasts longer and is easier to do. We will see if their claims are right in the next few months or years.
Reply ID 87599
Thats the way the did The Drive and Duncombe Road a while ago, so far so good. They have now done Cross Road and Tower Street as well. Did they do Palmer Road? that needed it!
Reply ID 87602
Yes they did and Parker Avenue and Goselin road which also really needed it!
Reply ID 87606
Just Cowper Cres in dire need now then!
Reply ID 87871
I noticed this camera opposite the car park on Beane Road this evening [IMG]http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad280/Firedupinside/IMG_2481.jpg[/IMG] Not sure how long its been there for but does anyone know what it's been put up for?
Reply ID 87926
There is a camera in Bengeo Street at the juction with Cross Road as well.
Reply ID 87947
I have had a fairly close look at both of these 'cameras'.. I think they are both dummys. Someone on the 'lower bengeo stop the rat run wingers committee' is most likely to be responsible.
Reply ID 87967
There is a notice by the one in Bengeo Street but not stopped to see exactly what it says. I hope it is "live" and watching, it would make its money back quickly I saw 2 people do illegal turns this morning and it would be cheaper than having to have 3 officers there as there was a couple of weeks ago. back on the road closures are the actully closing roads or doing it gradually. I saw the notice in Wellington Street last week but there still seemed to be as many parked cars as ever.
Reply ID 88144
quote:There are identical cameras on the Rush Green roundabout.
Originally posted by Anorak
I have had a fairly close look at both of these 'cameras'.. I think they are both dummys. Someone on the 'lower bengeo stop the rat run wingers committee' is most likely to be responsible.
Reply ID 88356
Fun and games tonight now that Byde Street is shut. I particularly enjoyed cycling past all the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers who don't understand what those "Road Closed" mean :-)
Reply ID 88357
quote:I had a look the other day and the sign refers to the cameras being there to catch criminals. Not sure that means making illegal turns, more likely just looking out for "wanted" numberplates...
Originally posted by Marilyn
There is a notice by the one in Bengeo Street but not stopped to see exactly what it says. I hope it is "live" and watching, it would make its money back quickly I saw 2 people do illegal turns this morning and it would be cheaper than having to have 3 officers there as there was a couple of weeks ago. back on the road closures are the actully closing roads or doing it gradually. I saw the notice in Wellington Street last week but there still seemed to be as many parked cars as ever.
Reply ID 88358
Someone has told me that the B158 (Cowbridge) will be closed at Hartham Lane on the weekend of 23/24 June. If true, and assuming that Byde Street will still be closed at that time (work on Byde Street itself hasn't started yet) the only exit route from Hertford will presumably have to be via the A602 to the north for Bengeo residents.
Reply ID 88359
quote:That closure is for the carnival procession on Sunday 24th and will only be for around an hour or two I'd imagine.
Originally posted by 2929paul
Someone has told me that the B158 (Cowbridge) will be closed at Hartham Lane on the weekend of 23/24 June. If true, and assuming that Byde Street will still be closed at that time (work on Byde Street itself hasn't started yet) the only exit route from Hertford will presumably have to be via the A602 to the north for Bengeo residents.
Reply ID 88363
I think the sign for the carnival clsure gives exact times, as Steve says just a short period while the procession goes through and they have put them up in time for people to allow for it.
Reply ID 88365
quote:Loads of cars still going down this morning and stopping in disbelief when seeing that the road is closed. One woman wound down her window and said "It says Access Only and I've got access - I'm visiting a friend in Nelson Street. It should be more specific on the sign."
Originally posted by Joby
Fun and games tonight now that Byde Street is shut. I particularly enjoyed cycling past all the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers who don't understand what those "Road Closed" mean :-)
Reply ID 88366
Plenty of cars ignoring the road closed signs and mounting the pavement at the corner of Byde Street and Balfour Street to squeeze past the barrier, too. Bet that was nice and safe for all the kids walking to school down there.
Reply ID 88367
THERE IS NO SAFETY ISSUE - ITS OFFICIAL See http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s12308/Agenda%20Item%205%20Bengeo%20ANPR%20-%20final%2004Jan2012.pdf EAST HERTS HIGHWAYS JOINT MEMBERS PANEL – 16 JANUARY 2012 INTERIM REPORT NO.2 BY ANDREW FREEMAN - PROGRAMMES AND STRATEGY MANAGER Collision Analysis 3.1 Accident data has been obtained, for the most recent 5 years of data. 3.2 This information has been analysed to check any collision trends for the investigation period paying particular attention to severity and conflicts with vulnerable users (pedestrians/cyclists). 3.3 This area is not included in the most recent HCC Hazardous sites ranking list. 3.4 Suffice to say that in terms of safety the entire area has a good collision record, probably due to the low vehicle speeds within the area and the effect that on street parked vehicles provide in terms of traffic calming(detrimental to vulnerable users as many vehicles obstruct the existing footways, especially in the Lower Bengeo Area.) 3.5 The collision trend over recent years has levelled off and indeed for the latest 5 years collision period there have only been 5 recorded personal injury collisions. 3.6 2 of the collisions occurred in 2006 with the remaining 3 in 2007. 3.7 Four of the collisions were of slight severity with one serious injury collision. 3.8 All of the collisions occurred within the residential area of Bengeo with none on Bengeo Street. 3.9 One of the collisions involved injury to a pedal cyclist when a vehicle turned right from Duncombe Road to enter Cross Road but drove into the o/s of a cyclist travelling southwest along Cross Road. 3.10 One of the collisions involved a driver losing control at the right angled bend between The Avenue and Church Road. 3.11 One collision occurred at the junction of New Road and Boundary Drive, where a car turned right to enter Boundary Drive and drove into the front o/s of a car travelling southwest along Boundary Drive. 3.12 One collision occurred at Nelson Street when an aggressive driver travelling north along Nelson Street hit the front of a car travelling down the hill and then continued to drive into the vehicle before driving away without stopping. 3.13 The final collision occurred at Cowper Crescent where a driver failed to negotiate the left hand bend in wet conditions colliding with a wall outside Desborough Close.
Reply ID 88413
Amazing just how many cars usually use Byde Street, they now pile up in Bengeo Street every morning in one big queue.....................so if the go for a complete road block option anytime we would know what to expect............Bengeo needs a bypass!
Reply ID 88432
Sainsbury,s opens Friday should be fun then!
Reply ID 88433
quote:Wednesday 27th June actually [:)]
Originally posted by night owl
Sainsbury,s opens Friday should be fun then!
Reply ID 88434
quote:Alternatively it needs it's roads back in full use. There is an argument for allowing gridlock though. It discourages car use if it takes longer to drive than to walk or cycle. I use my car about twice a month, because of that very factor. If I had clear roads, I'd certainly drive more.
Originally posted by Marilyn
Amazing just how many cars usually use Byde Street, they now pile up in Bengeo Street every morning in one big queue.....................so if the go for a complete road block option anytime we would know what to expect............Bengeo needs a bypass!
Reply ID 88442
quote:Traffic is like water, block it one way, it finds another. See how bad the traffic is on Friday when folk have discovered alternative routs.
Originally posted by Marilyn
Amazing just how many cars usually use Byde Street, they now pile up in Bengeo Street every morning in one big queue.....................so if the go for a complete road block option anytime we would know what to expect............Bengeo needs a bypass!
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