Topic ID 6398
I was recently shown the following website: [url]http://tinyurl.com/7ez8hc4[/url] (might not be suitable for work viewing - content is ok but url contains a rude word) I must state this was not as a result of my own parking but more in reaction to my moans about other peoples. My biggest gripe being drivers without kids parking in family bays leaving me to struggle 2 kids out of the car in one of the standard tight spaces. Arrggh!! So, in light of this website I wanted to kick off a thread where it's possible to name and shame poor and selfish parking in Hertford. Hopefully Admin will approve - just make sure you blur out any number plates. I'll kick it off with Mr Ignorant Decorator who was evidently not disabled based on the speed he ran out of Tesco’s with his copy of the Sun and All Day Breakfast sandwich (and the fact there was no blue badge in site). Gotcha!... [img]http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g139/bashdem/Public/2012-01-24_08_1_4029_b.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 85790
Nice one Gregb, although I'd have to say that the website you link to is not safe for viewing on a work PC. lets all email [email protected] and tell him what we think!! On the old chestnut of disabled parking and parent and baby/child spaces, I'd had have to say Tesco's don't seem to enforce either. As a parent of two young children (one is a baby) is saddens/sickens me to see parents parking in the parent spaces at Tesco Hertford and getting out of the car with children so large they don't even use booster seats, let alone baby/early stage car seats. Still, with sainsbury's coming to town parents will be able to make their own choices on who will provide easier access for parent parking. btw, I don't ask for spaces near the store, that should always be for the disabled, just spaces somewhere in the car park so we open the doors of our cars to get the little darlings out
Reply ID 85791
Good point wingcomm - I've edited the post with regards to URL. Personally I can't wait for Sainsbury's - but that's a whole new thread! [:)]
Reply ID 85792
Its not fair - if you look carefully in the background of the picture the white van spaces outside the store have been closed off - the driver has had to walk an extra five yards and now he's being persecuted. I wonder if he's as thoughtful and considerate in his decorating?
Reply ID 85797
quote:As its private land, any "enforcement action" is merely an invitation to pay a fee, unlike the council car parks and streets where fines are enforceable. People know that, so park where they like.
Originally posted by wingcomm
Nice one Gregb, although I'd have to say that the website you link to is not safe for viewing on a work PC. lets all email [email protected] and tell him what we think!! On the old chestnut of disabled parking and parent and baby/child spaces, I'd had have to say Tesco's don't seem to enforce either. As a parent of two young children (one is a baby) is saddens/sickens me to see parents parking in the parent spaces at Tesco Hertford and getting out of the car with children so large they don't even use booster seats, let alone baby/early stage car seats. Still, with sainsbury's coming to town parents will be able to make their own choices on who will provide easier access for parent parking. btw, I don't ask for spaces near the store, that should always be for the disabled, just spaces somewhere in the car park so we open the doors of our cars to get the little darlings out
Reply ID 85800
quote:People without respect, you mean.
Originally posted by spitfire
People know that, so park where they like.
Reply ID 85811
Inconsiderate parking irritates me, but only for about as long as it takes me to notice and pass by. A nanosecond later I have forgotten about it. I'm not sure that is healthy to care quite so much about something so trivial. It certainly seems inappropriate to stew on a grudge sufficiently, to produce a web site that invites one emotionally retarded, subset of knuckle scrapers to direct abuse at someone who dares to be a little careless.
Reply ID 85817
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85819
I don't think the indignant wheelchair users who post pictures of blocked dropped kerbs would be too pleased with your description of them as emotionally retarded knuckle scrapers, Enoughofthat.
Reply ID 85820
I don't think the indignant wheelchair users who post pictures of blocked dropped kerbs would be too pleased with your description of them as emotionally retarded knuckle scrapers, Enoughofthat. That would be to misinterpret my post and mischievous to select that particularly emotive straw man to knock down.
Reply ID 85822
quote:Hilarious. "Utter contempt"? There are many spaces in the car park and the car park is rarely filled. The van driver should easily be able to use another part of the car park where there is more room. But no. They don't. "Walk an extra 50 metres? No mate. Not me. Not when I can dump my van in a parking bay specifically set aside for disabled customers". Let's not dress this up and blame the retailer. The driver of the van in question doesn't give a monkeys. They will park where they like and ignore the provisions for the less able or the needy. Just because the space isn't already being used it doesn't mean anyone can use it. And creating excuses for their crass behaviour is pointless. There are no excuses. They know the size of their vehicle when they enter the car park.......they don't drive in and suddenly become astounded by the inability of the parking bays to accomodate them. They drive in in full knowledge of the size of the bays and they could easily park in a normal bay just as in a disabled bay. This crass behaviour gets to me. "Sod you mate and your petty rules. I'll ignore them and do what I please".
Originally posted by shunt
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85827
I agree why don't they put parent and child spaces further away from the entrance. We are able to walk, just need extra space to get little ones in and out. There was a man in Ware tescos the other day, taking photos and recording regs of those parked in the bays who had no child seats, but not sure what happened after that!!
Reply ID 85829
The car park is being reconfigured as part of the current changes, I understand.
Reply ID 85830
What is the Tesco parking policy? Aren't they changing the parking structure there anyway? I don't shop there anymore but is it still 2 hours free? If this is still the case then Bircherley Green's partial car park closure will probably mean that more people will use Tesco for 'free parking'. M&S employ an individual who patrols the car park all day long and you get your money back via the voucher you can present.
Reply ID 85832
quote:I take it that you aren't partially blind then with a carer to drive you? I take it that you are not in a wheelchair then? I take it that you don't have a bowel disease where you will need to use the toilet urgently? I could go on but I would be labelled by you as a knuckle scraper for thinking that a disabled bay is to be used for blue badge holders only, and not "someone who dares to be a little careless." I bet you'd soon complain if a disabled person blocked your driveway.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Inconsiderate parking irritates me, but only for about as long as it takes me to notice and pass by. A nanosecond later I have forgotten about it. I'm not sure that is healthy to care quite so much about something so trivial. It certainly seems inappropriate to stew on a grudge sufficiently, to produce a web site that invites one emotionally retarded, subset of knuckle scrapers to direct abuse at someone who dares to be a little careless.
Reply ID 85834
As ever James007, you've got the wrong end of the stick and whipped yourself up in to a tizz.
Reply ID 85835
What's a tizz?
Reply ID 85843
quote:Where is there more room? It takes two swings two get a Jaguar (6" narrower and 20" shorter than this vehicle) into a standard space unless two consecutive spaces can be found. Backwards is favourite, but then I can't get to the boot. I have to post myself through the barely open door, only to return to find the person next to me has been less careful, or was not built like a racing snake and has dented my car to get into theirs. This is not the case at some other stores, including other Tescos. I don't condone parking in a disabled bay and I cannot tell how full the rest of the carpark is from the photo, but Tesco want this man to buy his sandwich, so perhaps they could make it easier particularly if, as you claim, they have the spare capacity to expand the bays. You never know, if Tesco made it less of a distress experience, I might even shop there.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hilarious. "Utter contempt"? There are many spaces in the car park and the car park is rarely filled. The van driver should easily be able to use another part of the car park where there is more room. But no. They don't. "Walk an extra 50 metres? No mate. Not me. Not when I can dump my van in a parking bay specifically set aside for disabled customers". Let's not dress this up and blame the retailer. The driver of the van in question doesn't give a monkeys. They will park where they like and ignore the provisions for the less able or the needy. Just because the space isn't already being used it doesn't mean anyone can use it. And creating excuses for their crass behaviour is pointless. There are no excuses. They know the size of their vehicle when they enter the car park.......they don't drive in and suddenly become astounded by the inability of the parking bays to accomodate them. They drive in in full knowledge of the size of the bays and they could easily park in a normal bay just as in a disabled bay. This crass behaviour gets to me. "Sod you mate and your petty rules. I'll ignore them and do what I please".
Originally posted by shunt
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85854
Tesco have a policy of creating parking bays for some specific needs such as 'parent and child' or 'disabled'. I believe this is to attract certain customers and cater for their needs. I'm sure if they have a specific need to attract selfish morons they will create parking bays and label them 'Selfish Morons'. Perhaps in the meantime they expect such customers to have the mental capacity and common courtesy to behave like any other customer.
Reply ID 85856
quote:Agreed. Still won't shop there though.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Tesco have a policy of creating parking bays for some specific needs such as 'parent and child' or 'disabled'. I believe this is to attract certain customers and cater for their needs. I'm sure if they have a specific need to attract selfish morons they will create parking bays and label them 'Selfish Morons'. Perhaps in the meantime they expect such customers to have the mental capacity and common courtesy to behave like any other customer.
Reply ID 85864
quote:Tizz...."A state of nervous excitement or agitation"
Originally posted by James007
What's a tizz?
Reply ID 85866
quote:You know damn well my point accepts that. However busy or otherwise the rest of the car park at the time, there are only two types of bay in which this vehicle can comfortably park wholly in the bay, both of them reserved for specialist groups, one disabled by misfortune, the other by a lifestyle choice and entitlement syndrome. To become insulting to a man stopping for a couple of minutes, I find a little manic and disturbing. The restof the car park cannot be seen, but an army of disabled persons would all suddenly have to turn up in those couple of minutes for this to cause a problem.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Tesco have a policy of creating parking bays for some specific needs such as 'parent and child' or 'disabled'. I believe this is to attract certain customers and cater for their needs. I'm sure if they have a specific need to attract selfish morons they will create parking bays and label them 'Selfish Morons'. Perhaps in the meantime they expect such customers to have the mental capacity and common courtesy to behave like any other customer.
Reply ID 85867
I am sure in this instance this bloke was being cheeky and shouldn’t have been parked there however I am with Shunt regarding the size of spaces for vans. We have an extended wheel base Renault traffic which, due to the size has to be parked over two spaces as, firstly it would be a tight squeeze for a standard space (I am talking scraped paint) and secondly reversing in/out with cars on either side would be very difficult (impossible depending on where the next row begins). I expect to see a picture of our van on here in the near future however I am sure that it will be posted by someone who drives a smart car.
Reply ID 85869
I actually think most carparking spaces in modern carparks are too small. If you actually get in one, try opening your door and squeezing out!!! I only have a micra, hardly a 4x 4 or van but I find EVERY car park a nightmare. I can get into them, but opening the door and I need to somehow secrete myself out limb by limb! Horrid!
Reply ID 85872
But why does the driver have to use the nearest available disabled parking space? That isn't because he considers the other parking spaces too small but simple laziness and disrespect for the disabled facilities. As I said in my earlier post if the drop off zone had been available he would have used that. As for too small car parking spaces I agree - cars and people are getting bigger but spaces are shrinking; some people also don't bother about opening their car door into the neighbouring car. Luckily I live close enough to town to walk for most of my shopping.
Reply ID 85873
It always makes me laugh when you see a police car or a PCSO car parked in the 'no waiting - drop-off only' area outside the front door of Tesco and then you see the occupants of the vehicle inside the store buying sandwiches etc, not arresting shoplifters or yobbos or whatever. Must take a picture next time and send it to the Old Bill!
Reply ID 85874
quote:I don't think my points are insulting at all. Someone without a disability dumps their van in a bay clearly marked for disabled drivers which is designed specifically to cater for such needs; larger than normal parking bays and close to the store entrance. This driver is clearly selfish. And/or this driver may be a moron for not understanding the concept of a disabled parking bay. I'll grant them that. Let's stop making excuses for people in vans and big cars. Park elsewhere in the car park. I've seen vans parked elsewhere, sometimes crossing the lines of the parking bays if needed. But they don't assume they can just dump their van in the nearest available bay. Being realistic, and trying to avoid the ridiculous excuses, dumping a van in the disabled bay nearest the entrance is just laziness. I think we all know that. Don't blame it on tesco. They don't control the brain of the driver.
Originally posted by shuntquote:You know damn well my point accepts that. However busy or otherwise the rest of the car park at the time, there are only two types of bay in which this vehicle can comfortably park wholly in the bay, both of them reserved for specialist groups, one disabled by misfortune, the other by a lifestyle choice and entitlement syndrome. To become insulting to a man stopping for a couple of minutes, I find a little manic and disturbing. The restof the car park cannot be seen, but an army of disabled persons would all suddenly have to turn up in those couple of minutes for this to cause a problem.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Tesco have a policy of creating parking bays for some specific needs such as 'parent and child' or 'disabled'. I believe this is to attract certain customers and cater for their needs. I'm sure if they have a specific need to attract selfish morons they will create parking bays and label them 'Selfish Morons'. Perhaps in the meantime they expect such customers to have the mental capacity and common courtesy to behave like any other customer.
Reply ID 85877
Can I just add that I once witnessed, in the car park of tesco in Hertford, a disabled person having to park in a 'normal' bay because all of the disabled bays were taken (mostly by people without disabled badges displayed.............and yes, I had a quick check), and then walking with the aid of two crutches to the store. That's why the ignorance of some drivers annoys me. The store provide closer parking facilities for this person and they were clearly marked. Take the van driver referred to in this post, or Shunt, and stand them in front of this disabled person and get them to try to justify their inconvenience based upon the selfishness and inconsideration of some drivers or, ooops...........should I rephrase that...........the inability of Tesco to provide parking spaces right next to the store entrance for people with really big vehicles.
Reply ID 85878
My father is disbaled and needs to use these spaces as he finds it difficult enough walking round the store withut walking all round the car park as well. I also have a large vehicle which will not fit a "standard" spce however I hve NEVER parked it in a disabled bay. On the rare occasions I have had to take it to Tesco or any other car park with small spaces I find a space where it will fit and I can open the door regardless of how far I have to walk.
Reply ID 85881
quote:It was 08:15 in the morning. Pretty much the whole car park was empty. But the disabled bay was the closest empty space to the store so no doubt would've been the choice had the car park been empty or full.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Where is there more room? It takes two swings two get a Jaguar (6" narrower and 20" shorter than this vehicle) into a standard space unless two consecutive spaces can be found. Backwards is favourite, but then I can't get to the boot. I have to post myself through the barely open door, only to return to find the person next to me has been less careful, or was not built like a racing snake and has dented my car to get into theirs. This is not the case at some other stores, including other Tescos. I don't condone parking in a disabled bay and I cannot tell how full the rest of the carpark is from the photo, but Tesco want this man to buy his sandwich, so perhaps they could make it easier particularly if, as you claim, they have the spare capacity to expand the bays. You never know, if Tesco made it less of a distress experience, I might even shop there.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hilarious. "Utter contempt"? There are many spaces in the car park and the car park is rarely filled. The van driver should easily be able to use another part of the car park where there is more room. But no. They don't. "Walk an extra 50 metres? No mate. Not me. Not when I can dump my van in a parking bay specifically set aside for disabled customers". Let's not dress this up and blame the retailer. The driver of the van in question doesn't give a monkeys. They will park where they like and ignore the provisions for the less able or the needy. Just because the space isn't already being used it doesn't mean anyone can use it. And creating excuses for their crass behaviour is pointless. There are no excuses. They know the size of their vehicle when they enter the car park.......they don't drive in and suddenly become astounded by the inability of the parking bays to accomodate them. They drive in in full knowledge of the size of the bays and they could easily park in a normal bay just as in a disabled bay. This crass behaviour gets to me. "Sod you mate and your petty rules. I'll ignore them and do what I please".
Originally posted by shunt
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85891
quote:So it's of asolutely no consequence anyway and the gentleman is certainly not deserving of any insult or condemnation, since there is an abundance of every type of bay available. Unless there is an exceptionally well subscribed, disabled car rally to Tesco, precisely at that time, there's absolutely no chance of him inconveniencing anyone, disabled or otherwise.
Originally posted by gregbquote:It was 08:15 in the morning. Pretty much the whole car park was empty. But the disabled bay was the closest empty space to the store so no doubt would've been the choice had the car park been empty or full.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Where is there more room? It takes two swings two get a Jaguar (6" narrower and 20" shorter than this vehicle) into a standard space unless two consecutive spaces can be found. Backwards is favourite, but then I can't get to the boot. I have to post myself through the barely open door, only to return to find the person next to me has been less careful, or was not built like a racing snake and has dented my car to get into theirs. This is not the case at some other stores, including other Tescos. I don't condone parking in a disabled bay and I cannot tell how full the rest of the carpark is from the photo, but Tesco want this man to buy his sandwich, so perhaps they could make it easier particularly if, as you claim, they have the spare capacity to expand the bays. You never know, if Tesco made it less of a distress experience, I might even shop there.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hilarious. "Utter contempt"? There are many spaces in the car park and the car park is rarely filled. The van driver should easily be able to use another part of the car park where there is more room. But no. They don't. "Walk an extra 50 metres? No mate. Not me. Not when I can dump my van in a parking bay specifically set aside for disabled customers". Let's not dress this up and blame the retailer. The driver of the van in question doesn't give a monkeys. They will park where they like and ignore the provisions for the less able or the needy. Just because the space isn't already being used it doesn't mean anyone can use it. And creating excuses for their crass behaviour is pointless. There are no excuses. They know the size of their vehicle when they enter the car park.......they don't drive in and suddenly become astounded by the inability of the parking bays to accomodate them. They drive in in full knowledge of the size of the bays and they could easily park in a normal bay just as in a disabled bay. This crass behaviour gets to me. "Sod you mate and your petty rules. I'll ignore them and do what I please".
Originally posted by shunt
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85892
quote:Wider perspective Shunt. No walking stick, dark glasses, white stick, wheelchair, walking frame etc. He was parked in a perfectly legal space for disabled badge holders only. He hadn't got one so his behaviour is just pure ignorance. My Aunt drives a 4x4, has a great job, yet has a degenerative disease of the bowel and might have needed that space at a few minutes minutes notice. Disability isn't within our own eyes to judge, it is within the eye of the holder of that blue badge which that driver didn't have. Greg is right to highlight this. It is just another daily systematic brain saying "this is acceptable to do this, **** the rules". Sadly, something which a lot of people think is acceptable to do, even with an empty car parking space 10 yards away.
Originally posted by shuntquote:So it's of asolutely no consequence anyway and the gentleman is certainly not deserving of any insult or condemnation, since there is an abundance of every type of bay available. Unless there is an exceptionally well subscribed, disabled car rally to Tesco, precisely at that time, there's absolutely no chance of him inconveniencing anyone, disabled or otherwise.
Originally posted by gregbquote:It was 08:15 in the morning. Pretty much the whole car park was empty. But the disabled bay was the closest empty space to the store so no doubt would've been the choice had the car park been empty or full.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Where is there more room? It takes two swings two get a Jaguar (6" narrower and 20" shorter than this vehicle) into a standard space unless two consecutive spaces can be found. Backwards is favourite, but then I can't get to the boot. I have to post myself through the barely open door, only to return to find the person next to me has been less careful, or was not built like a racing snake and has dented my car to get into theirs. This is not the case at some other stores, including other Tescos. I don't condone parking in a disabled bay and I cannot tell how full the rest of the carpark is from the photo, but Tesco want this man to buy his sandwich, so perhaps they could make it easier particularly if, as you claim, they have the spare capacity to expand the bays. You never know, if Tesco made it less of a distress experience, I might even shop there.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hilarious. "Utter contempt"? There are many spaces in the car park and the car park is rarely filled. The van driver should easily be able to use another part of the car park where there is more room. But no. They don't. "Walk an extra 50 metres? No mate. Not me. Not when I can dump my van in a parking bay specifically set aside for disabled customers". Let's not dress this up and blame the retailer. The driver of the van in question doesn't give a monkeys. They will park where they like and ignore the provisions for the less able or the needy. Just because the space isn't already being used it doesn't mean anyone can use it. And creating excuses for their crass behaviour is pointless. There are no excuses. They know the size of their vehicle when they enter the car park.......they don't drive in and suddenly become astounded by the inability of the parking bays to accomodate them. They drive in in full knowledge of the size of the bays and they could easily park in a normal bay just as in a disabled bay. This crass behaviour gets to me. "Sod you mate and your petty rules. I'll ignore them and do what I please".
Originally posted by shunt
This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it. The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load. It's one of the reasons I don't shop like this. Utter contempt for the customer.
Reply ID 85893
My perspective is quite wide enough, thank you. A man who has done nothing either illegal nor immoral has been publicly berated, insulted and identified on a public forum, together with his business. He was parked entirely legally, inconveniencing no-one, and not even within the bounds of extreme probability ever likely to inconvenience anyone. "Ignorant" now is he? maybe he is just clever enough to work out that at that time of the morning, the possibility of enough disabled drivers arriving during the two minutes it took to get is sandwich is about as likely as winning the lottery, or does your Aunt insist on that particular space, rather then all the other disabled spaces?
Reply ID 85895
Dress it up all you want Shunt. He parked in a disabled space for blue badge holders only. If you think that is acceptable then I respect your point of view but disagree with the fact that he has been identified. The fact that his business will suffer due to the photograph of his stupidity is for him to take further. His excuses for parking in a disabled bay are his own. Not mine, not yours or anyone else. If people feel that just because a car park is empty then it is ok to park in a disabled bay without the necessary blue badge, I have no sympathy for them being challenged. Rules is rules! Disabled bays are for registered disabled. My Aunt might have entered the car park with that van, your vehicle, Bang it and Hoppit Ltd all taking up the spaces to buy a sandwich. If she began to open her bowels in the car prior to entering the building because the spaces were full I dread to think of how she would feel. I think that you are more concerned about the picture posted rather than the actions of him parking ILLEGALLY. Oh and by the way, Townshend Street as an example, is a heavily parked road and has a disabled bay reserved for the owner of a house who has a child that is severely disabled. Would you condone him parking in that space to carry out electric repairs opposite, just because it was the only space to park?
Reply ID 85897
Firstly, he is not parked illegally. I have no idea what makes you think he is. Secondly, I would agree with you wholeheartedly if there was even the faintest chance that he would inconvenience your Aunt. However, to enter an empty car park and park at the opposite side of it from where you wanted to be, would just be stupid. Entering a full, partially full, or likely to fill up car park, or even a car park which might possibly fill up and then use a disabled bay would be a cause for criticism and I'd be right with you, even though he would still not be illegally parked. In this case, there is absolutely no chance of this man inconveniencing a disabled person or anyone else in anyway at all, even slightly. Sorry, I missed one of your points there. Townsend Street is an entirely different scenario as there is no alternative for the disabled person, it is on a public road. Also, this man did not park because there were no other spaces, but because there were other spaces.
Reply ID 85898
quote:Ok. So you think that parking in a disabled bay, wherever, is legal. If Established Decorators and yourself feel that it acceptable to park LEGALLY in a registered disabled ONLY bay without a registered blue badge, go and try it in one of the towns car parks and see what happens when you run off for a sandwich. Gascoyne Way - I think you will find that your sandwich might have an extra zero attached to the price, via the windscreen, when you get back.
Originally posted by shunt
Firstly, he is not parked illegally. I have no idea what makes you think he is. Secondly, I would agree with you wholeheartedly if there was even the faintest chance that he would inconvenience your Aunt. However, to enter an empty car park and park at the opposite side of it from where you wanted to be, would just be stupid. Entering a full, partially full, or likely to fill up car park, or even a car park which might possibly fill up and then use a disabled bay would be a cause for criticism and I'd be right with you, even though he would still not be illegally parked. In this case, there is absolutely no chance of this man inconveniencing a disabled person or anyone else in anyway at all, even slightly.
Reply ID 85900
quote:My apologies James, I was editing as you posted. Parking in a disabled bay in Gascoigne Way car park would be illegal or in any public car park, or in the street.
Originally posted by James007quote:Ok. So you think that parking in a disabled bay, wherever, is legal. If Established Decorators and yourself feel that it acceptable to park LEGALLY in a registered disabled ONLY bay without a registered blue badge, go and try it in one of the towns car parks and see what happens when you run off for a sandwich. Gascoyne Way - I think you will find that your sandwich might have an extra zero attached to the price, via the windscreen, when you get back.
Originally posted by shunt
Firstly, he is not parked illegally. I have no idea what makes you think he is. Secondly, I would agree with you wholeheartedly if there was even the faintest chance that he would inconvenience your Aunt. However, to enter an empty car park and park at the opposite side of it from where you wanted to be, would just be stupid. Entering a full, partially full, or likely to fill up car park, or even a car park which might possibly fill up and then use a disabled bay would be a cause for criticism and I'd be right with you, even though he would still not be illegally parked. In this case, there is absolutely no chance of this man inconveniencing a disabled person or anyone else in anyway at all, even slightly.
Reply ID 85907
My Aunt might have entered the car park with that van, your vehicle, Bang it and Hoppit Ltd all taking up the spaces to buy a sandwich. If she began to open her bowels in the car prior to entering the building because the spaces were full I dread to think of how she would feel. See, I find this approach a bit petulant. For the record I wouldn't put my car in a disabled space, just out of courtesy, but this line of argument is just childish. What if your Aunt had pulled in and there were no disabled parking spaces because, well, they were all taken by disabled people. Then (and I hope it never happens, but her 'bowels open' as you describe, how is the outcome of this very unfortunate situation someone elses fault ?. It's using the worse case scenario to try and win an argument.
Reply ID 85910
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
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quote:Two members of my family are badge holders
Originally posted by Marilyn
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
Reply ID 85913
The point here is this man is not acting illegally and probably had no intention of being sefish or inconveniencing anyone, and in the circumstance in which he parked, could not possibly have done so. That is something he may well have calculated before parking. Therefor to assume anything about his character, intent and accuse him of an illegal act is simply not fair. To publicly identify him and claim attributes which are simply imagined, is no more or less than unsubstantiated insult and possibly defamation. I know nothing about this man. Neither do any of you. Had this man risked displacing a disabled person's parking space, I'd agree that would be socially unacceptable, but he didn't.
Reply ID 85914
Shunt so how many disabled spaces should there be available to allow me to use one of them to save me a 20 metre walk? Maybe more than two just in case the two members of your family want to park or should I take a probabilistic approach and assume they both won't come down at once - or should I assume as I'll only be in there for ten minutes that it'll probably be OK? For the record I believe there are far too many blue badge spaces provided but its a situation that's occurred due to misuse of the system by inconsiderate (or illegal if on the street) parking or abuse of the blue badge system. If there were fewer people that abused the system then maybe more spaces could be provided in town centre car parks? Blue badges apparently cost up to £1,000 on the black market in London but surely this guy could pick one up locally for less than £100 which would allow him to park in loads of spaces and could save him a fortune.
quote:
Originally posted by shunt
The point here is this man is not acting illegally and probably had no intention of being sefish or inconveniencing anyone, and in the circumstance in which he parked, could not possibly have done so. That is something he may well have calculated before parking. Therefor to assume anything about his character, intent and accuse him of an illegal act is simply not fair. To publicly identify him and claim attributes which are simply imagined, is no more or less than unsubstantiated insult and possibly defamation. I know nothing about this man. Neither do any of you. Had this man risked displacing a disabled person's parking space, I'd agree that would be socially unacceptable, but he didn't.
Reply ID 85915
quote:Then you should know better than condone non badge holders using spaces designed for the less able.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Two members of my family are badge holders
Originally posted by Marilyn
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
Reply ID 85916
Just agree to disagree - this is turning silly! No comment on the willy nilly parking of blue badge holders in the town centre then - on blind corners, double yellow lines, blocking the bus lane, blocking up Fore Street so no-one can pass at all?!!
Reply ID 85917
quote:While not acting against any law, if this person had no intention of being selfish or inconveniencing anyone then why park in a bay marked specifically for disabled drivers? It beggers belief. It appears to me that you are demonstrating the very same attitude that leads to this behaviour. I'm not suggesting you do the same but that it appears to be acceptable. Let's get this down to a simple few facts. 1) Parking bay specifically marked for disabled drivers. 2) Person parking in the bay without a disabled drivers badge (we are lead to believe). How for the life of me anyone can argue that is acceptable is astounding. It smacks of that whole "sod anyone else, I'll do what I want" attitude. What if you park in tesco and some selfish halfwit decides to park behind your car.......just because they choose to............and blocks you in? "Sorry mate. I can dump my car where I want" You'd come up with a whole raft of arguments for why that is not acceptable. And you would be correct.
Originally posted by shunt
The point here is this man is not acting illegally and probably had no intention of being sefish or inconveniencing anyone, and in the circumstance in which he parked, could not possibly have done so. That is something he may well have calculated before parking. Therefor to assume anything about his character, intent and accuse him of an illegal act is simply not fair. To publicly identify him and claim attributes which are simply imagined, is no more or less than unsubstantiated insult and possibly defamation. I know nothing about this man. Neither do any of you. Had this man risked displacing a disabled person's parking space, I'd agree that would be socially unacceptable, but he didn't.
Reply ID 85918
Ok, this seems to have gone a bit over the top. The idea was to identify poor and ignorant parking in our town and to hopefully shame the drivers into rethinking their parking habits.
Reply ID 85919
Agree with Gregb. Chill everyone... although I get annoyed by stupid parking, I think all of us contributors to this thread should all just sit down, have a cup of tea and custard cream, put bargain hunt on the telly and just calm down....
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quote:I disagree. While not likeing the parking habits of certain drivers I hadn't considered starting such a thread (except for, ahem, one a few years ago).........but it's not theinitial act thathas riled people, moreso those those who seem to have risen to the defence of the driver. I just don't see how such anti-social behaviour is defendable.
Originally posted by wingcomm
Agree with Gregb. Chill everyone... although I get annoyed by stupid parking, I think all of us contributors to this thread should all just sit down, have a cup of tea and custard cream, put bargain hunt on the telly and just calm down....
Reply ID 85922
quote:Considering the circumstances, the reactions are disproportionate to the *ahem* crime. Only the photographer in this instance was any the wiser, and they'd probably parked in the adjacent disabled parking spot to take the photograph.
I just don't see how such anti-social behaviour is defendable.
Reply ID 85923
quote:They also agree that in this case (and I stress only in this case) it is petty and trivial to make a fuss about something which affects absolutely no-one. As a greneral rule, of course disabled spaces should not be used by anyone but those with genuine need, even though not all badge holders can really claim that. In some places they are in short supply and/or legally binding. In this place, at this time, neither was true. I am reminded of a previous post claiming bad parking in which a car was photographed on the pavement and posted with a condemnation of the owner. This happened to be a woman who had broken down and her car pushed from the road by police to the position in which it had been snapped. I'm not saying this is the same, but since we do not know what decision caused this person to park where he did and he did no harm by doing so, it could be that he took a measured decision that it harmed no-one and was entirely correct in that decision, intending and causing no harm whatsoever. Now I am the most annoyingly PC and pedantic person you are ever likely to meet and well up for a point of principle, but there comes a point when it is just ridiculous. I don't condone this man's action or have problem with the OP, except that it's language is somewhat aggressive, but the manic insults directed in the thread that has followed are simply out of proportion. One can express dissapproval as you and others do eloquently, or an alternative view, but schoolyard name calling is simply innapropriate and malicious. What appears to have happened here is that by criticising a parking policy made for commercial reasons and how it does not encourage responsible use of it's concessionary disabled parking spaces, I seem to have unleashed a stream of abusive and pointless venom, summising all kinds of attributes and directed at this particular van driver.
Originally posted by Marilynquote:Then you should know better than condone non badge holders using spaces designed for the less able.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Two members of my family are badge holders
Originally posted by Marilyn
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
Reply ID 85924
quote:'fraid not. I used my 2 legs to walk to the store.
Originally posted by Ted Badgerquote:Considering the circumstances, the reactions are disproportionate to the *ahem* crime. Only the photographer in this instance was any the wiser, and they'd probably parked in the adjacent disabled parking spot to take the photograph.
I just don't see how such anti-social behaviour is defendable.
Reply ID 85926
quote:Er, excuse me, please explain how my original post was "somewhat aggressive"? Also, you may think I'm making a fuss about "something that affects absolutely no-one" but could there be a possibility that this driver frequently parks with absolutely no regard for others? If so then his actions probably affect quite a few people and in highlighting his poor parking maybe I'll make the world a better place for some people. And that, was my only intention in the first place.
Originally posted by shuntquote:They also agree that in this case (and I stress only in this case) it is petty and trivial to make a fuss about something which affects absolutely no-one. As a greneral rule, of course disabled spaces should not be used by anyone but those with genuine need, even though not all badge holders can really claim that. In some places they are in short supply and/or legally binding. In this place, at this time, neither was true. I am reminded of a previous post claiming bad parking in which a car was photographed on the pavement and posted with a condemnation of the owner. This happened to be a woman who had broken down and her car pushed from the road by police to the position in which it had been snapped. I'm not saying this is the same, but since we do not know what decision caused this person to park where he did and he did no harm by doing so, it could be that he took a measured decision that it harmed no-one and was entirely correct in that decision, intending and causing no harm whatsoever. Now I am the most annoyingly PC and pedantic person you are ever likely to meet and well up for a point of principle, but there comes a point when it is just ridiculous. I don't condone this man's action or have problem with the OP, except that it's language is somewhat aggressive, but the manic insults directed in the thread that has followed are simply out of proportion. One can express dissapproval as you and others do eloquently, or an alternative view, but schoolyard name calling is simply innapropriate and malicious. What appears to have happened here is that by criticising a parking policy made for commercial reasons and how it does not encourage responsible use of it's concessionary disabled parking spaces, I seem to have unleashed a stream of abusive and pointless venom, summising all kinds of attributes and directed at this particular van driver.
Originally posted by Marilynquote:Then you should know better than condone non badge holders using spaces designed for the less able.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Two members of my family are badge holders
Originally posted by Marilyn
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
Reply ID 85928
quote:Not you gregb personally, but the link. You quite rightly warned of the language. We cannot summise that this person habitually, or at any other time ever parked in a disabled bay, just that he did on this occasion, when it did not and would not have any effect on anybody else. We also cannot expand that to assume he has no regard for others, is stupid, selfish, lazy or any of the other slurs which have been put forward. Your intention, I applaud and wholeheartedly agree with. It is the personal assumptions made beyond that which I find pointless.
Originally posted by gregbquote:Er, excuse me, please explain how my original post was "somewhat aggressive"? Also, you may think I'm making a fuss about "something that affects absolutely no-one" but could there be a possibility that this driver frequently parks with absolutely no regard for others? If so then his actions probably affect quite a few people and in highlighting his poor parking maybe I'll make the world a better place for some people. And that, was my only intention in the first place.
Originally posted by shuntquote:They also agree that in this case (and I stress only in this case) it is petty and trivial to make a fuss about something which affects absolutely no-one. As a greneral rule, of course disabled spaces should not be used by anyone but those with genuine need, even though not all badge holders can really claim that. In some places they are in short supply and/or legally binding. In this place, at this time, neither was true. I am reminded of a previous post claiming bad parking in which a car was photographed on the pavement and posted with a condemnation of the owner. This happened to be a woman who had broken down and her car pushed from the road by police to the position in which it had been snapped. I'm not saying this is the same, but since we do not know what decision caused this person to park where he did and he did no harm by doing so, it could be that he took a measured decision that it harmed no-one and was entirely correct in that decision, intending and causing no harm whatsoever. Now I am the most annoyingly PC and pedantic person you are ever likely to meet and well up for a point of principle, but there comes a point when it is just ridiculous. I don't condone this man's action or have problem with the OP, except that it's language is somewhat aggressive, but the manic insults directed in the thread that has followed are simply out of proportion. One can express dissapproval as you and others do eloquently, or an alternative view, but schoolyard name calling is simply innapropriate and malicious. What appears to have happened here is that by criticising a parking policy made for commercial reasons and how it does not encourage responsible use of it's concessionary disabled parking spaces, I seem to have unleashed a stream of abusive and pointless venom, summising all kinds of attributes and directed at this particular van driver.
Originally posted by Marilynquote:Then you should know better than condone non badge holders using spaces designed for the less able.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Two members of my family are badge holders
Originally posted by Marilyn
I just hope Shunt never gets to the point where he is diabled and has a badge and needs to park in a car park to find all the spaces for diabled drivers used by people without the badge. It may not be illegal on private land but they are there for a reason, to help people who need it. I took my father down at 7.30 this morning to Tesco and we parked in a diabled bay with his badge, I did wonder how many of the other vehicles there had badges as almost all of the spaces were taken!
Reply ID 85929
If so then his actions probably affect quite a few people and in highlighting his poor parking maybe I'll make the world a better place for some people. And that, was my only intention in the first place. But how do you think this would work in practise? If this van driver is in fact a reasonable man who has been merely been a little thoughtless then a polite comment from a caring observer may be all he needs to remember to park more considerately. But what if he is not reasonable? What if the caring observer is in fact an interfering, busy-body who makes an judgemental statement that is intended to shame this miscreant in to compliance? Posting a photo on , however well intended, risks encouraging some kind of vigilante action from a reader of this forum. Judging from the immoderate and unmeasured comments posted even in this thread, how much confidence can we have that a person emboldened enough to confront the driver could do so in a reasonable an measured manner? I can foresee several outcomes for such a confrontation and my money isn't on a meeting of minds and parting with a friendly handshake. If you really have a social conscience take the sensible course and report this to the police and let them deal with it. If the police do nothing then just accept that the world isn't always as we would like it, forget about it and get on with your life. .
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quote:Its a rubbish photo too - its all out of focus [:o)]
Originally posted by Ted Badger Only the photographer in this instance was any the wiser, and they'd probably parked in the adjacent disabled parking spot to take the photograph.
Reply ID 85942
Having read with interest all of the posts regarding the commercial vehicle parked in the disabled bay at Tesco, whilst shopping there this afternoon I noticed the van as soon as I drove in, again parked in a disabled bay, bearing in mind there are construction works going on there at the moment I think there is a good chance he is working on site. I dont beleive that means it is ok for him to park in a disabled bay, but may throw some more light on the explanation as to why?
Reply ID 85943
quote:Ah, I can explain that! The PCSO's and other officers are encouraged by Tesco's in Hertford to park in that area whenever they visit the store. The store believes it acts as a visible deterrent against theft. Hope that explains it for you.
Originally posted by Robbo
It always makes me laugh when you see a police car or a PCSO car parked in the 'no waiting - drop-off only' area outside the front door of Tesco and then you see the occupants of the vehicle inside the store buying sandwiches etc, not arresting shoplifters or yobbos or whatever. Must take a picture next time and send it to the Old Bill!
Reply ID 85946
quote:Since use of the bays are a concession and on Tescos own land, it entirely possible that that is where he has been instructed to park by Tesco, if indeed he is one of the contractors on site. None of us can really know though. Who volunteers to ring up and ask? The contact details are on the van. One could take the opportunity to inform him of his psychological profile, since we have such a wealth of experts able to tell that just from the position of his vehicle. [:D]
Originally posted by Dream222
Having read with interest all of the posts regarding the commercial vehicle parked in the disabled bay at Tesco, whilst shopping there this afternoon I noticed the van as soon as I drove in, again parked in a disabled bay, bearing in mind there are construction works going on there at the moment I think there is a good chance he is working on site. I dont beleive that means it is ok for him to park in a disabled bay, but may throw some more light on the explanation as to why?
Reply ID 85947
quote:Its a rubbish photo too - its all out of focus [:o)] [/quote] [:D]
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Reply ID 85951
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85952
quote:The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man.
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85953
quote:That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. And it is almost worth considering, especially by those who have joined this thread late and have not read the earlier posts. However the original post by Gregb states, "he ran out of Tesco’s with his copy of the Sun and All Day Breakfast sandwich". So I don't think he was a contractor who was asked to park there.
Originally posted by shuntquote:The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man.
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85954
quote:Let me get this right; are you suggesting that Tesco may instruct people to park in disabled bays for commercial and public relation reasons?
Originally posted by shuntquote:The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man.
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85955
That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. I haven't read Shunt's posts to be a defence of the man but rather that a casual observer, as we all are in the is case, does not have sufficient information to draw any conclusion whatsoever. What is so revealing about this thread is the readiness of some people, if it suits their particular prejudice, to take it upon themselves to vilify someone on the barest of facts. It is clear to me that Shunt is not condoning inconsiderate parking but rather he makes a stand against those hot-heads that would charge into a witch hunt.
Reply ID 85956
quote:Ah the facts - a rare luxury. Still laughing Robbo?
Originally posted by bigblokequote:Ah, I can explain that! The PCSO's and other officers are encouraged by Tesco's in Hertford to park in that area whenever they visit the store. The store believes it acts as a visible deterrent against theft. Hope that explains it for you.
Originally posted by Robbo
It always makes me laugh when you see a police car or a PCSO car parked in the 'no waiting - drop-off only' area outside the front door of Tesco and then you see the occupants of the vehicle inside the store buying sandwiches etc, not arresting shoplifters or yobbos or whatever. Must take a picture next time and send it to the Old Bill!
Reply ID 85957
[/quote] The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man. [/quote] That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. And it is almost worth considering, especially by those who have joined this thread late and have not read the earlier posts. However the original post by Gregb states, "he ran out of Tesco’s with his copy of the Sun and All Day Breakfast sandwich". So I don't think he was a contractor who was asked to park there. [/quote] I have not mounted any defence of this man. I don't know anything at all about this man and nor does anybody else, which is precisely the point. I originally joined this forum to answer just such a public witch hunt directed at me. The unwarranted venom whipped up by just this kind of uninformed abuse had resulted in assault on me, a member of my family and the vandalising of my vehicle, adding to what was purely a misfortune. See also my previous post regarding the broken down vehicle. This kind of forum bullying is unacceptable and it is only because our lible laws are so weak that there are not more prosecutions. If this man was a contractor, that does not preclude the possibility that he may sometimes eat and read. Like most contractors, the likely, indeed usually the only permitted place on site to take breaks, consume his sandwich and peruse the paper, is his van. So you see, you are still making a huge assumption in condemning him. As for parent child spaces, they are a different matter. Having children is not an inadvertant handicap, but a life choice. There is absolutely no social reason at all for allocating a special bay, except that in this case, all the other bays are made too small for anyone to use comfortably. The P&C bays are offered for commercial reasons because people with children spend more. To the rest of us, Tesco raises a contemptuous metephorical finger. I left an elderly friend sitting in the car while I shopped for her, because she could squeeze through the barely openable car door yesterday, as I had to. It annoys me even more when I get back to find the car next to it is now a slightly larger car than before and I can neither get in to move my car, or rescue the occupant I left in the vehicle. Though I would never use a disabled space, I would certainly have used a P&C space, had one been available. It's been half a year since my last Tesco visit. The experience has not improved!
Reply ID 85958
quote:What!? Rewarded?
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED
Reply ID 85960
quote:Spot on.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. I haven't read Shunt's posts to be a defence of the man but rather that a casual observer, as we all are in the is case, does not have sufficient information to draw any conclusion whatsoever. What is so revealing about this thread is the readiness of some people, if it suits their particular prejudice, to take it upon themselves to vilify someone on the barest of facts. It is clear to me that Shunt is not condoning inconsiderate parking but rather he makes a stand against those hot-heads that would charge into a witch hunt.
Reply ID 85962
quote:Let me explain in layman's terms as it is so simple and not very many people seem to get it. Responsibility - Take responsibility for your own actions; how you behave, how you look after your own home, how you look after your front garden. Respect - Show a high degree of thought about what other people may think of you. Reward - This is gained by the simple fact that you follow the two previous 'R's; I and my friends follow this simple rule. It allows me to leave my house every day, go to work, smile and say "hi" to clients that I visit or the staff at the office. I then go home knowing that I didn't park in a 'disabled only' parking bay in order to grab a sarnie and a newspaper which silently p*ssed off a blue badge holder who had to possibly park elsewhere because Tesco might have allowed the disabled bays to be used by contractors or for PR reasons. Then I go to sleep, knowing that I haven't broken simple rules and have used statutory manners. I hope that this explains what I meant by how the word REWARD becomes the end product.
Originally posted by Ted Badgerquote:What!? Rewarded?
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED
Reply ID 85963
quote:Let's get the facts straight. Van parked in a disabled bay. No disabled badge displayed. Regardless of whether we know all the facts, Shunt has repeatedly defended this parking even to the point off stating, "This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it." He's not referring to the need for facts until later posts. His initial post is based upon the fact that the driver had a van and even blamed tesco. "The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load." Shame? Hilarious! Do I think people who dump their cars in the wrong bays feel any shame? Hang on a moment.............no. Shame. Very funny. "Sorry tesco, I feel so ashamed. I need to get a sandwich but my vehicle is slightly large. You force me to use a bay designated for disabled people. I feel so ashamed. Please excuse me while I weep." If I happened to drive a DAF FA 65CF250 truck I wouldn't cart the thing into a supermarket car park and dump it across 8 bays and then blame the supermarket for not have bays big enough for my truck. Nonsense. Take a reality pill. The guy did what many other selfish drivers do. Dumped his car in a bay he shouldn't be using in order to save a few seconds walking to the store. The annoyance is that he couldn't care less for the disabled drivers who may want to use the bay he parked in. It is quite simple. So why don't we all accept this rather than try to turn into Rumpole of the Bailey and pick apart arguments about whether he was or wasn't a contractor.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Spot on.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. I haven't read Shunt's posts to be a defence of the man but rather that a casual observer, as we all are in the is case, does not have sufficient information to draw any conclusion whatsoever. What is so revealing about this thread is the readiness of some people, if it suits their particular prejudice, to take it upon themselves to vilify someone on the barest of facts. It is clear to me that Shunt is not condoning inconsiderate parking but rather he makes a stand against those hot-heads that would charge into a witch hunt.
Reply ID 85964
Anyway...... The said van pulled into tesco this morning....and yes you've guessed it, straight into the disabled bay! AND the carpark was reasonably full.
Reply ID 85965
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85966
quote:And I stick by that. My post was in response to a previous assertion that the parking of this large, but not excessively so, vehicle, which may or may not be the driver's only transport, at a time of very low demand, caused no inconvenience, was a result of inconsiderate or selfish intent. Intent may or may not have been inconsiderate, depending on circumstances unknown. The second point was that Tesco do not encourage considerate parking by creating only a few bays large enough for comfortable use by non-catogorised customers, and all adequately sized bays are reserved. Tesco do not specify that purchasers of all day breakfast sandwiches must drive sub-miniture vehicles. One has to be "Rumpole of the Bailey", if you wish to condemn a person in a frenzy of personal insult on a forum or make judgements on their integrity and morality. If not sure and still do so, it is the person who does that who becomes rude, anti-social and irresponsible, regardless of whether they are accidentally correct or not. To make my own view clear, I would not park in a disabled bay at Tesco. I would use a P&C bay, since they are purely a Tesco marketing tool. Any objection to that is a matter between Tesco and I only. The bays do not belong to the users and they have absolutely no rights to them, legally or morally. The presence of such bays, highlights that the rest of the car park is inadequate and that Tesco are aware of that. Parents of children require no more space than anyone else in a car park. I know, because I am a parent. The principle of not parking in disabled bays, I agree with and that can certainly be discussed in a general sense. At Tesco, the disabled priority is also not a legal right. I do consider there is a moral claim there though which does not exist for the P&C spaces. Clear enough?
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Let's get the facts straight. Van parked in a disabled bay. No disabled badge displayed. Regardless of whether we know all the facts, Shunt has repeatedly defended this parking even to the point off stating, "This is not inconsiderate parking though, is it? It's a vehicle parked in the only type of space in the car park which is able to accomodate it." He's not referring to the need for facts until later posts. His initial post is based upon the fact that the driver had a van and even blamed tesco. "The fault lies with Tesco who, rather than making all parking spaces a reasonable size, try to shame people into squeezing into tiny slots by providing "specialist" spaces, which are actually the only sized spaces in the entire car park which can accomodate anything larger than a Reliant Robin and still allow enough space to open doors and load." Shame? Hilarious! Do I think people who dump their cars in the wrong bays feel any shame? Hang on a moment.............no. Shame. Very funny. "Sorry tesco, I feel so ashamed. I need to get a sandwich but my vehicle is slightly large. You force me to use a bay designated for disabled people. I feel so ashamed. Please excuse me while I weep." If I happened to drive a DAF FA 65CF250 truck I wouldn't cart the thing into a supermarket car park and dump it across 8 bays and then blame the supermarket for not have bays big enough for my truck. Nonsense. Take a reality pill. The guy did what many other selfish drivers do. Dumped his car in a bay he shouldn't be using in order to save a few seconds walking to the store. The annoyance is that he couldn't care less for the disabled drivers who may want to use the bay he parked in. It is quite simple. So why don't we all accept this rather than try to turn into Rumpole of the Bailey and pick apart arguments about whether he was or wasn't a contractor.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Spot on.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
That's the most balanced and reasoned post you've made in your continued defence of this man. I haven't read Shunt's posts to be a defence of the man but rather that a casual observer, as we all are in the is case, does not have sufficient information to draw any conclusion whatsoever. What is so revealing about this thread is the readiness of some people, if it suits their particular prejudice, to take it upon themselves to vilify someone on the barest of facts. It is clear to me that Shunt is not condoning inconsiderate parking but rather he makes a stand against those hot-heads that would charge into a witch hunt.
Reply ID 85967
quote:Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob. Maybe he does actually work there, or maybe the less likely, but possible alternative that he doesn't and is just an uncommonly regular customer. The thing is we just don't know.
Originally posted by suemay
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85968
quote:Sounds like a forum moderation failure to me [;)]
Originally posted by shunt
Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob.
Reply ID 85969
quote:He doesn't work there. I just phoned them and asked them. A nice Duty Manager confirmed this.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob. Maybe he does actually work there, or maybe the less likely, but possible alternative that he doesn't and is just an uncommonly regular customer. The thing is we just don't know.
Originally posted by suemay
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85970
A couple of vans of similar size to that above parked in Tesco car park just now - both in the regular parking bays but may have been using two bays rather than one.
Reply ID 85971
quote:Good work Sherlock! We have clue number one.
Originally posted by James007quote:He doesn't work there. I just phoned them and asked them. A nice Duty Manager confirmed this.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob. Maybe he does actually work there, or maybe the less likely, but possible alternative that he doesn't and is just an uncommonly regular customer. The thing is we just don't know.
Originally posted by suemay
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85972
quote:Unless the English language has been suddenly modified beyond all recognition, it would be impossible to draw that conclusion from the post.
Originally posted by James007quote:Let me get this right; are you suggesting that Tesco may instruct people to park in disabled bays for commercial and public relation reasons?
Originally posted by shuntquote:The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man.
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85974
quote:So, Shunt, are you suggesting that Tesco allow contractors to us the disabled parking bays or that they do so for public relation reasons?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Unless the English language has been suddenly modified beyond all recognition, it would be impossible to draw that conclusion from the post.
Originally posted by James007quote:Let me get this right; are you suggesting that Tesco may instruct people to park in disabled bays for commercial and public relation reasons?
Originally posted by shuntquote:The thing is though, James, you don't know that. This man might be a contractor, employed by Tesco and instructed to park in one of the bays marked for disabled use that they provide for commercial and PR reasons on their own private land. If that's the case, you'd be unfairly defaming this man.
Originally posted by James007
To be fair, this thread highlights quite a lot of what is going wrong with the social beliefs that we live in today. The three R's: RESPONSIBILITY for what you do RESPECT to others REWARDED It goes without saying that the man in the van failed on every one of those. As a mate of mine said yesterday, "It's all about manners".
Reply ID 85975
quote:1) your contuned defence of this person in the face of the known facts is bizarre. 2) Assault? Malicious false pronouncement? Violent lynch mob? Look, no one wants violence. And I've been subject to some nasty personal emails from forum members. But I don't recall a lynching. Let's move on. He parked badly. Naughty boy. Don't do it again.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob. Maybe he does actually work there, or maybe the less likely, but possible alternative that he doesn't and is just an uncommonly regular customer. The thing is we just don't know.
Originally posted by suemay
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85978
quote:You seem to misunderstand the simple principle of prejudice. In other words, acting without knowledge to condemn or blind guess a person's motives or intent and publishing an unsubstantiated opinion, or that the consequences of spreading rumour in that context can be severe, if it turns out to be in error. What the actual situation is, is irrelevent to this principle and one which is as valid as that of not parking in a disabled bay itself. Two wrongs do not make a right and the assumption that everyone who reads this is intelligent and law abiing is an unsafe one. I repeat, I do not condone the use of disabled bays by non-disabled motorists, this has been clear throughout. Unfortunately a red mist appears to have removed the ability to read and maintain a perspective from some. As for the historic incident which affected my family and led me to join this forum when I was told the source of comments quoted by persons threatening my family with violence on my doorstep, I refer you to:- http://hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=1404&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=american and http://hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=1404&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=american
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:1) your contuned defence of this person in the face of the known facts is bizarre. 2) Assault? Malicious false pronouncement? Violent lynch mob? Look, no one wants violence. And I've been subject to some nasty personal emails from forum members. But I don't recall a lynching. Let's move on. He parked badly. Naughty boy. Don't do it again.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Exactly that assumption and the publication of it on this forum, is what led to the assault of a member of my family 6 years ago after members had whipped themselves into a frenzy of malicious false pronouncement on an unkown person and encouraged a violent lynch mob. Maybe he does actually work there, or maybe the less likely, but possible alternative that he doesn't and is just an uncommonly regular customer. The thing is we just don't know.
Originally posted by suemay
Yes I saw the van parked there this morning, with lots of spaces elsewhere, maybe he is reading this thread, and is just doing it to annoy people........
Reply ID 85980
Tesco open? Yes Car Park full of cars? No Disabled bay available for Disability Access? Yes Any vehicles parked in Disabled Bay? Yes Disabled Blue Badge evident? No Case closed. Stop trying to defend this driver Shunt (unless you are the offender or know the offender or employ the offender). I go back to the principle of manners, dignity and straight forward common sense. Too many people justify these acts because they are ignorant, and I am not including Shunt as I have read several of his posts for some time. but he has got this one wrong. The Disability and Equality Act 2010 says it all. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068
Reply ID 85982
quote:Sorry James no. Again you are pretending to have misunderstood and are still making the mistake of attempting to claim my stance defends this person in particular or the act of parking in a space reserved for the disabled. This is plainly and obviously not the case. You are being particularly and deliberately obtuse in this, as I am well aware that you have the intelligence to be absolutely aware of that which I object to. It is entirely clear and unamiguous and has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of parking in a disabled space. As for the Disability and Equality Act 2010, there was need to post a link as I know it very well, in a professonal capacity. Once again, it has no relevence to the subject on which we disagree, being that of making unsubstantiated claims against an identified individual in a published media, not the morality of parking in a disabled bay. In short, there is no disagreement at all between us on the subject of parking, only on the subject of unecessarily confrontational posting without prior knowledge, on which subject I do take issue.
Originally posted by James007
Tesco open? Yes Car Park full of cars? No Disabled bay available for Disability Access? Yes Any vehicles parked in Disabled Bay? Yes Disabled Blue Badge evident? No Case closed. Stop trying to defend this driver Shunt (unless you are the offender or know the offender or employ the offender). I go back to the principle of manners, dignity and straight forward common sense. Too many people justify these acts because they are ignorant, and I am not including Shunt as I have read several of his posts for some time. but he has got this one wrong. The Disability and Equality Act 2010 says it all. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068
Reply ID 85983
quote:I agree with you that there was a need to post a link to the Disability and Equality Act 2010. That is the reason that gregb took the photo just to highlight the lack of respect that some people have these days. He parked in a blue badge holder ONLY (Disabled) bay and did not display the badge. Ask Buzz what he thinks.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Sorry James no. Again you are pretending to have misunderstood and are still making the mistake of attempting to claim my stance defends this person in particular or the act of parking in a space reserved for the disabled. This is plainly and obviously not the case. You are being particularly and deliberately obtuse in this, as I am well aware that you have the intelligence to be absolutely aware of that which I object to. It is entirely clear and unamiguous and has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of parking in a disabled space. As for the Disability and Equality Act 2010, there was need to post a link as I know it very well, in a professonal capacity. Once again, it has no relevence to the subject on which we disagree, being that of making unsubstantiated claims against an identified individual in a published media, not the morality of parking in a disabled bay. In short, there is no disagreement at all between us on the subject of parking, only on the subject of unecessarily confrontational posting without prior knowledge, on which subject I do take issue.
Originally posted by James007
Tesco open? Yes Car Park full of cars? No Disabled bay available for Disability Access? Yes Any vehicles parked in Disabled Bay? Yes Disabled Blue Badge evident? No Case closed. Stop trying to defend this driver Shunt (unless you are the offender or know the offender or employ the offender). I go back to the principle of manners, dignity and straight forward common sense. Too many people justify these acts because they are ignorant, and I am not including Shunt as I have read several of his posts for some time. but he has got this one wrong. The Disability and Equality Act 2010 says it all. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068
Reply ID 85984
[/quote] Sorry James no. Again you are pretending to have misunderstood and are still making the mistake of attempting to claim my stance defends this person in particular or the act of parking in a space reserved for the disabled. This is plainly and obviously not the case. You are being particularly and deliberately obtuse in this, as I am well aware that you have the intelligence to be absolutely aware of that which I object to. It is entirely clear and unamiguous and has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of parking in a disabled space. As for the Disability and Equality Act 2010, there was need to post a link as I know it very well, in a professonal capacity. Once again, it has no relevence to the subject on which we disagree, being that of making unsubstantiated claims against an identified individual in a published media, not the morality of parking in a disabled bay. In short, there is no disagreement at all between us on the subject of parking, only on the subject of unecessarily confrontational posting without prior knowledge, on which subject I do take issue. [/quote] I agree with you that there was a need to post a link to the Disability and Equality Act 2010. That is the reason that gregb took the photo just to highlight the lack of respect that some people have these days. He parked in a blue badge holder ONLY (Disabled) bay and did not display the badge. Ask Buzz what he thinks. [/quote] I'm equally sure you know that should have been "no need", but was subject to a typo. The act only applies in relation to the original planning application. Parking in a disabled bay with Tesco's car park, though morally unacceptable, is not illegal, being on private land and is regulated only by Tesco but uninforcible, their own "rules" being somewhat weakened by the difficulty of establishing an implied contract in an unticketed car park. In essence, they rely on good will and yet, in my opinion, do little to encourage it. I'm not sure of why you think Buzz's opinion is relevent, though I'm always happy to hear his eloquent and always carefully measured opinions, as I am yours.
Reply ID 86020
The van was parked in a disabled bay again on Sunday morning (yesterday), in fact every disabled bay was occupied, it was around 11.00 when Tesco's is usually very busy. I saw the driver getting into the van with a young woman - neither of them had difficulty walking and I couldn't see a Blue Parking badge.
Reply ID 86023
quote:Well it seems we do have a very odd behaviour here and are learning as we go along. Uncommonly regular visitor! Even I'm beginning to be interested....... What am I saying?!!! Its a van in Tesco car park.
Originally posted by Claudia
The van was parked in a disabled bay again on Sunday morning (yesterday), in fact every disabled bay was occupied, it was around 11.00 when Tesco's is usually very busy. I saw the driver getting into the van with a young woman - neither of them had difficulty walking and I couldn't see a Blue Parking badge.
Reply ID 86024
quote:.....parked in a Disabled Bay without a registered disabled blue badge.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Well it seems we do have a very odd behaviour here and are learning as we go along. Uncommonly regular visitor! Even I'm beginning to be interested....... What am I saying?!!! Its a van in Tesco car park.
Originally posted by Claudia
The van was parked in a disabled bay again on Sunday morning (yesterday), in fact every disabled bay was occupied, it was around 11.00 when Tesco's is usually very busy. I saw the driver getting into the van with a young woman - neither of them had difficulty walking and I couldn't see a Blue Parking badge.
Reply ID 86025
quote:Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. [:D]
Originally posted by James007quote:.....parked in a Disabled Bay without a registered disabled blue badge.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Well it seems we do have a very odd behaviour here and are learning as we go along. Uncommonly regular visitor! Even I'm beginning to be interested....... What am I saying?!!! Its a van in Tesco car park.
Originally posted by Claudia
The van was parked in a disabled bay again on Sunday morning (yesterday), in fact every disabled bay was occupied, it was around 11.00 when Tesco's is usually very busy. I saw the driver getting into the van with a young woman - neither of them had difficulty walking and I couldn't see a Blue Parking badge.
Reply ID 86026
Shunt..... Simple facts that you seem to ignore and which have been stated repeatedly. Your ignorance to these facts and dogmatic defence of the driver in question is bizarre. 1) Van dumped in a disabled bay at Tesco, right in front of the entrance. 2) No disabled badge displayed. 3) Driver seen leaving with a sandwich, therefore probably not a contractor advised to use the disabled bay. 4) The same driver seen behaving the same way a few days later. You can defend it all you like. But now it just smacks not of defending the driver's behaviour but your own initial position. Give it up.
Reply ID 86027
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86028
quote:I think Shunt (maybe) aludes to something more newsworthy.....which would add a bit of spice to this thread....[:D]
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86029
quote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86032
quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86033
quote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86035
quote:Did you ask about how they, "shame people into squeezing into tiny slots"? I still feel upset about this shaming. How dare they do this? Still. It's good to note your contrition and see you return to planet Normal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86036
This makes sad reading: http://www.tesco.com/csr/f/f3.html They win awards from Abilitynet (registered charity 1067673) for this: http://www.tesco.com/csr/f/f3.html Our mission is to ensure that disabled people in the UK, whether as individuals or through supporting organisations, have accessible IT that enables and improves their lives
Reply ID 86038
quote:I did indeed and pointed out that the inadequacy did nothing to encourage orderly behaviour regarding disabled spaces, uninforced by any legal mandate and entirely at the mercy of "goodwill". The commercial decision to provide P&C spaces I see as a clear indication that Tesco are well aware that a normal space does not allow comfortable entry and exit to vehicle, but care less about those customers or their disbled ones, being likely to spend less than a family.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Did you ask about how they, "shame people into squeezing into tiny slots"? I still feel upset about this shaming. How dare they do this? Still. It's good to note your contrition and see you return to planet Normal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86039
quote:It fails to recognise the most needy within our society, van drivers who need a sandwich. I recall a builder coming to my home who was two minutes late because he stopped at tesco for nourishment and could not locate their specialised 'builder bays'. So he had to park in a normal bay and his poor legs got tired walking the extra few metres to the store. Apparently he would normally have dumped his van in the larger bays designated to disabled people, only they were filled with cars with disabled badges showing.......so selfish of them. Anyways, he was late. I had no choice but to cancel the job I had planned due to his shoddy timekeeping and have subsequently found out that the lost income meant that he couldn't feed his kittens and they died from starvation. This is all the fault of tesco.
Originally posted by James007
This makes sad reading: http://www.tesco.com/csr/f/f3.html They win awards from Abilitynet (registered charity 1067673) for this: http://www.tesco.com/csr/f/f3.html Our mission is to ensure that disabled people in the UK, whether as individuals or through supporting organisations, have accessible IT that enables and improves their lives
Reply ID 86040
quote:'Builder Bays'......that's what we need! Or 'Halfwit Bays'. Or hows about 'Bays for the selfish who really can't be bothered to park with common decency like everyone else'? Hang on a moment, that's a lot of words.........but then their bay would be so big that I'm sure the wording would fit in anyway.
Originally posted by shuntquote:I did indeed and pointed out that the inadequacy did nothing to encourage orderly behaviour regarding disabled spaces, uninforced by any legal mandate and entirely at the mercy of "goodwill". The commercial decision to provide P&C spaces I see as a clear indication that Tesco are well aware that a normal space does not allow comfortable entry and exit to vehicle, but care less about those customers or their disbled ones, being likely to spend less than a family.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Did you ask about how they, "shame people into squeezing into tiny slots"? I still feel upset about this shaming. How dare they do this? Still. It's good to note your contrition and see you return to planet Normal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86041
I bet you two would be a right laugh down the pub...
Reply ID 86042
quote:I'd only go if I had a special parking bay set aside specially for me.
Originally posted by Louis M
I bet you two would be a right laugh down the pub...
Reply ID 86043
quote:How about just bays of a size to be used comfortably by any likely customer, plus some allocated to the disabled. It's simple and requires none of the fatuous, convoluted and over complex on-upmanship. One can't expect Tesco to be responsible for the character of every individual, just their own policies and then only from the perspective of us being the source of their income.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:'Builder Bays'......that's what we need! Or 'Halfwit Bays'. Or hows about 'Bays for the selfish who really can't be bothered to park with common decency like everyone else'? Hang on a moment, that's a lot of words.........but then their bay would be so big that I'm sure the wording would fit in anyway.
Originally posted by shuntquote:I did indeed and pointed out that the inadequacy did nothing to encourage orderly behaviour regarding disabled spaces, uninforced by any legal mandate and entirely at the mercy of "goodwill". The commercial decision to provide P&C spaces I see as a clear indication that Tesco are well aware that a normal space does not allow comfortable entry and exit to vehicle, but care less about those customers or their disbled ones, being likely to spend less than a family.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Did you ask about how they, "shame people into squeezing into tiny slots"? I still feel upset about this shaming. How dare they do this? Still. It's good to note your contrition and see you return to planet Normal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86044
^^ Some people are getting a bit carried away with the use of quoting! This issue isn't limited to Hertford Tesco. It's a nightmare getting parked in the family bays at Brookfield, purely because people like the larger spaces and there's not the stigma attached with parking in disabled bays. Still, doesnt stop some people, notably minicab and van drivers. The same applies to the pick-up & drop-off points. I do think the flow of Hertford Tesco car park is all wrong, so hopefully the planned improvements will sort it out.
Reply ID 86046
Sorry about that. Inadvertant, having not noticed the size of what went before.
Reply ID 86047
I'm up for lazy halfwit bays for people with no moral conscience. It would be a badge of honour for some people. They could also re-name the drop-off area something more realistic, I'll start with 'Bone idle parking bay,' or how about '100 brain cells or less.' Is the size of the bay something to do with planning? If Tesco's had to provide 120 spaces, I'm sure they would, but they would fit the bays into the space. Ware Tesco and Hoddesdon Sainsbury don't seem to have massive parking bays either.
Reply ID 86048
quote:I'm not a big fan of tesco. But when I do go there, even on the busiest of days, I've never had to drive away because of a lack of parking spaces. Never. But then I know that my car fits in the bays they provide. Just as every other customer does. If I was driving a Winnebago I wouldn't dream of trying to park in a tesco car park as, quite obviously, it doesn't fit in the parking bays. Similarly if I happened to be driving a Sherman tank, double decker bus or piloting a Sikorsky. They just don't fit. Yes, this is extreme, but the same is to be said for a big van. Do you really think the driver went to tesco and was astounded to find the bays not big enough? Would I write a letter to tesco telling them how they have made me feel ashamed and forced me to park badly in bays? No. I guess that would be rather daft as I knew the size of the bays before I got there. I can only imagine the surprise a van driver would feel on entering the car park..... "Oh golly gosh! I have no alternative but to use one of the disabled bays right in front of the entrance. Not because I'm lazy, mind, but to ensure my vehicle remains within the confines of a parking bay. If only, if only.......if only tesco could accomodate van drivers too for we are just as needy as the disabled. Why oh why do they ignore us? Why oh why does the world not understand us?"
Originally posted by shuntquote:How about just bays of a size to be used comfortably by any likely customer, plus some allocated to the disabled. It's simple and requires none of the fatuous, convoluted and over complex on-upmanship. One can't expect Tesco to be responsible for the character of every individual, just their own policies and then only from the perspective of us being the source of their income.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:'Builder Bays'......that's what we need! Or 'Halfwit Bays'. Or hows about 'Bays for the selfish who really can't be bothered to park with common decency like everyone else'? Hang on a moment, that's a lot of words.........but then their bay would be so big that I'm sure the wording would fit in anyway.
Originally posted by shuntquote:I did indeed and pointed out that the inadequacy did nothing to encourage orderly behaviour regarding disabled spaces, uninforced by any legal mandate and entirely at the mercy of "goodwill". The commercial decision to provide P&C spaces I see as a clear indication that Tesco are well aware that a normal space does not allow comfortable entry and exit to vehicle, but care less about those customers or their disbled ones, being likely to spend less than a family.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Did you ask about how they, "shame people into squeezing into tiny slots"? I still feel upset about this shaming. How dare they do this? Still. It's good to note your contrition and see you return to planet Normal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Excellent. That I applaud absoutely. I made a slightly different, but not entirely dissimilar enquiry last year.
Originally posted by James007quote:Very correct. I am in dialogue with Tesco in relation to their policy on disability access to their store in Hertford, and how they enforce it as they haven't been able to satisfy me with any criteria listed under the Disability and Equality Act 2010.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Parking in a disabled bay without cause always had my dissaproval. It seems that was missed, possibly masked, so difficult the principle of not insulting abitarily and without knowledge was for some to comprehend. This is however a matter for Tesco only and dissapproval would be better expressed to the only people who have any means, or rights, to actually take action, rather than on a forum. That was the case from the start and remains so. Rather than spitting venom ineffectually here, there has always been the option of doing something about it, without the stage drama. James called Tesco to make his point on the forum. He didn't report whether he asked why Tesco were failing to provide disabled bays by allowing unauthorised parking or what the reply was. When a problem like this develops, the proper course is always to contact who is responsible for the space, since the relationship is between company policy and the customer, not the public and this particular driver. If say, my car became blocked in your car park, it would be you I'd speak to in pursuit of a solution, because you run the premises and administer that parking facility. It would be somewhat pointless for me to argue the point on a forum or falsely claim an illegal action.
Originally posted by publandlord
Apparently so. One of the things we've learned along the way, rather than summising, is that there appears to be no valid reason for this. something very odd about the frequency though. Seems to virtually live at Tesco. So are we allowed to disapprove of his behaviour yet Shunt ?[:p]
Reply ID 86049
I don't think the bays are any bigger/smaller than other car parks. It is however often the case that a percentage of drivers have an inability to be able to park relatively centrally between two white lines.
Reply ID 86050
err was feeling a bit left out, so thought i should post something to this legendary thread, the transit ( or similar ) isnt that wide. Wikipedia: Transit: 1,963mm Mondeo: 1,858mm i suspect you'd probably find some "normal" family cars that are wider than the transit! then of course there's that aventador on top gear. Now that was wide..
Reply ID 86051
quote:That is indeed the point. Having been unable to get into the driver's seat of my saloon car, centrally parked in a normal bay last week or get my elderly passenger out,(I'm not even averagely large, before the insults start), the type of vehicle is not the problem. This size van is often the only vehicle in a tradesman's family, just as I am unable to afford a second smaller car than mine purely for the purpose of visiting Tesco. It's not like either vehicle is an a LGV.
Originally posted by codek2
err was feeling a bit left out, so thought i should post something to this legendary thread, the transit ( or similar ) isnt that wide. Wikipedia: Transit: 1,963mm Mondeo: 1,858mm i suspect you'd probably find some "normal" family cars that are wider than the transit! then of course there's that aventador on top gear. Now that was wide..
Reply ID 86052
quote:It is. The size of store at planning stage dictates the number of bays. If the sales area is pushed beyond the limitations of the site, this is what occurs. Tesco was built on a private member's bill, by-passing local planning objections.
Originally posted by Billywindsock
I'm up for lazy halfwit bays for people with no moral conscience. It would be a badge of honour for some people. They could also re-name the drop-off area something more realistic, I'll start with 'Bone idle parking bay,' or how about '100 brain cells or less.' Is the size of the bay something to do with planning? If Tesco's had to provide 120 spaces, I'm sure they would, but they would fit the bays into the space. Ware Tesco and Hoddesdon Sainsbury don't seem to have massive parking bays either.
Reply ID 86053
quote:Which supports the argument..........why park in the disabled bay? It has nothing to do with needing a bigger parking space to support your need for a bigger vehicle if your vehicle is not that large after all.
Originally posted by codek2
err was feeling a bit left out, so thought i should post something to this legendary thread, the transit ( or similar ) isnt that wide. Wikipedia: Transit: 1,963mm Mondeo: 1,858mm i suspect you'd probably find some "normal" family cars that are wider than the transit! then of course there's that aventador on top gear. Now that was wide..
Reply ID 86054
quote:The irony is that I visit with my 13 (nearly 14) year old son. And whilst I technically am parent and child, I don't comply with it in spirit so do not use the P&C spaces but in reality, with a teenage boy in the house, my food bill is probably much higher than a family with a toddler. And I think the car parking spaces are much smaller than 'normal'. I have a mondeo estate and struggle to park it sometimes (and not just because I am a women). To be honest, I hate Hertford Tesco car park more than I have ever hated a car park before which is just irrational. The one way system makes me get sooo frustrated.
Originally posted by shunt The commercial decision to provide P&C spaces I see as a clear indication that Tesco are well aware that a normal space does not allow comfortable entry and exit to vehicle, but care less about those customers or their disbled ones, being likely to spend less than a family.
Reply ID 86055
There is absolutely no reason morally or otherwise for someone who has recently chosen to have a child to be rewarded with special status and certainly not over kateg28. It is simply pandering to the "entitlement syndrome" which by long and convoluted routes causes society to become increasingly more selfish.
Reply ID 86056
quote:This isn't about Brookfield/West Cheshunt. This is about Tesco in Hertford. They have no policy enforced in relation to disability parking which is why the man in the van knew he could take the p*ss. Marks and Spencer always have a presence in their car park. This whole thing trickles down in society; Responsibility, Respect and then you get Reward. Tesco are at the top of the chain and if they want to continue to allow people to abuse their parking bays then good luck to them. If people on this forum condone it, or try and retract their initial thoughts, I have no sympathy with you if you are caught abusing morality when an ambulance cannot park to provide assistance to someone that needs it.
Originally posted by thefair1973
^^ Some people are getting a bit carried away with the use of quoting! This issue isn't limited to Hertford Tesco. It's a nightmare getting parked in the family bays at Brookfield, purely because people like the larger spaces and there's not the stigma attached with parking in disabled bays. Still, doesnt stop some people, notably minicab and van drivers. The same applies to the pick-up & drop-off points. I do think the flow of Hertford Tesco car park is all wrong, so hopefully the planned improvements will sort it out.
Reply ID 86057
M&S is different,they have somebody in their carpark as it is pay and display.
Reply ID 86058
As a rule of thumb, I tend to ignore any thread on this site that is longer than a couple of pages. Any longer, and I can be sure that: at least one troll has been lured from under his bridge, A belligerent half-wit will have got the wrong end of the stick and gone off at a tangent. Someone will make it unnecessarily personal. Someone will take it unnecessarily personally. Pretty soon, each page will be filled only with an unnecessary quote of the thread up until that point Somebody will state a point that has been made before Order will be restored by a moderator only if Lussmanns have been maligned in some way or if Stanstead Abbotts gets a mention. Don't get me wrong, I like this site and love you all. ;o)
Reply ID 86059
quote:Stop saying reward! Responsibility & respect. Be happy. To feel that reward is payback for responsibility and respect seems a bit mercenary. [:)]
Originally posted by James007 This whole thing trickles down in society; Responsibility, Respect and then you get Reward.
Reply ID 86062
quote:Glad that you agree with me. You get reward for taking responsibility, respect to others. Simple.
Originally posted by Ted Badgerquote:Stop saying reward! Responsibility & respect. Be happy. To feel that reward is payback for responsibility and respect seems a bit mercenary. [:)]
Originally posted by James007 This whole thing trickles down in society; Responsibility, Respect and then you get Reward.
Reply ID 86063
quote:The issuing of a ticket, even a free one, also establishes a contract and acceptance of terms and conditions.
Originally posted by dutch knight
M&S is different,they have somebody in their carpark as it is pay and display.
Reply ID 86065
quote:It’s not about being rewarded, parents with young children have prams etc and a tonne of other items that they have to carry around with them. They also have to strap the kids into and out of their seats meaning that the door has to be fully open, impossible in a standard bay. I don’t have kids but I hope to one day, however I am guessing that you do not have kids having referred to it as a ‘Life Choice’, if I am wrong on this I apologies however you must have been a hard assed parent. I am with Shunt regarding the original posting as it showed his business name and contact which in my opinion was wrong, no one is whiter than white and it is not for us to affect his potential business. You seem to have a couple of members on here who must be very bored, constantly bickering. Calling up Tesco’s to verify if he was a contractor, checking the disability act blah blah…I mean come on, in between posts are people monitoring the TV with a pen and pad with pre-addressed envelopes to points of view? The guy parked in the wrong bay and may be doing so because he is a P**S taker, how can this point be elongated to 8 pages? If and when I am old/handicapped and I cannot park due to vans etc I will contact Tescos myself and I will not need the white knights to aid me.
Originally posted by shunt
There is absolutely no reason morally or otherwise for someone who has recently chosen to have a child to be rewarded with special status and certainly not over kateg28. It is simply pandering to the "entitlement syndrome" which by long and convoluted routes causes society to become increasingly more selfish.
Reply ID 86066
quote:I thought we'd established that this vehicle, though at the upper end of the size range of what might be considered a normal size, is not outlandishly so or significantly bigger than some cars, which also struggle to use the bay. It is not a Winnebago, a double-decker bus, a Sherman tank, or a helicopter. You seemed to have slipped into the realms of fantastic exaggeration in the effort to make your point. In order to prevent steam issuing from some persons' ears, do I have to re-state in every post that the unauthorised use of disabled bays has not been endorsed by any person on this thread, or can we now take that as a given. Have a nice cup of tea.
Originally posted by Ewoowar I'm not a big fan of tesco. But when I do go there, even on the busiest of days, I've never had to drive away because of a lack of parking spaces. Never. But then I know that my car fits in the bays they provide. Just as every other customer does. If I was driving a Winnebago I wouldn't dream of trying to park in a tesco car park as, quite obviously, it doesn't fit in the parking bays. Similarly if I happened to be driving a Sherman tank, double decker bus or piloting a Sikorsky. They just don't fit. Yes, this is extreme, but the same is to be said for a big van. Do you really think the driver went to tesco and was astounded to find the bays not big enough? Would I write a letter to tesco telling them how they have made me feel ashamed and forced me to park badly in bays? No. I guess that would be rather daft as I knew the size of the bays before I got there. I can only imagine the surprise a van driver would feel on entering the car park..... "Oh golly gosh! I have no alternative but to use one of the disabled bays right in front of the entrance. Not because I'm lazy, mind, but to ensure my vehicle remains within the confines of a parking bay. If only, if only.......if only tesco could accomodate van drivers too for we are just as needy as the disabled. Why oh why do they ignore us? Why oh why does the world not understand us?"
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quote:I'm glad that we still live in a culture where we give polite deference and afford a few extra privileges to certain groups, including people carring small children. It wasn't too many years ago that I had young children and the larger parking bays were very useful, I remember having to stand outside the car with the door wide open in order to strap the little monster in. I never thought of it as a right or even an absolute neccesity to use the p&p bays, just a temporary privelege born of politeness. Personally I'd like to see wider parking bays near the entrance reserved for elderly customers at Tesco.
Originally posted by shunt
There is absolutely no reason morally or otherwise for someone who has recently chosen to have a child to be rewarded with special status and certainly not over kateg28. It is simply pandering to the "entitlement syndrome" which by long and convoluted routes causes society to become increasingly more selfish.
Reply ID 86068
quote:Yes I do have children and have brought up two families, in the latter case as the principle carer and "househusband".
Originally posted by Louis Mquote:It’s not about being rewarded, parents with young children have prams etc and a tonne of other items that they have to carry around with them. They also have to strap the kids into and out of their seats meaning that the door has to be fully open, impossible in a standard bay. I don’t have kids but I hope to one day, however I am guessing that you do not have kids having referred to it as a ‘Life Choice’, if I am wrong on this I apologies however you must have been a hard assed parent. I am with Shunt regarding the original posting as it showed his business name and contact which in my opinion was wrong, no one is whiter than white and it is not for us to affect his potential business. You seem to have a couple of members on here who must be very bored, constantly bickering. Calling up Tesco’s to verify if he was a contractor, checking the disability act blah blah…I mean come on, in between posts are people monitoring the TV with a pen and pad with pre-addressed envelopes to points of view? The guy parked in the wrong bay and may be doing so because he is a P**S taker, how can this point be elongated to 8 pages? If and when I am old/handicapped and I cannot park due to vans etc I will contact Tescos myself and I will not need the white knights to aid me.
Originally posted by shunt
There is absolutely no reason morally or otherwise for someone who has recently chosen to have a child to be rewarded with special status and certainly not over kateg28. It is simply pandering to the "entitlement syndrome" which by long and convoluted routes causes society to become increasingly more selfish.
Reply ID 86069
So a hard ass it is :)
Reply ID 86071
quote:Probably, as I always had the same view of P&C spaces being an hypocrisy, even when I had young children to care for. :) I didn't consider it a handicap, for which I could pass the inconvenience onto others in society. I had childen and had to adapt to take that into account, not expect it of everybody else. The object of parenting is to produce a responsible adult, not just a bigger child who expects everything to be provided. The parent taking personal ownership for their decision is perhaps the first step. Tolerance is about all one can reasonably ask of those around you.
Originally posted by Louis M
So a hard ass it is :)
Reply ID 86072
Here Here Mr Shunt - now can that be an end to it? [:D]
Reply ID 86077
If everyone's finally tired themselves out, I'd like to repeat this post by Enoughofthat which is too good to leave buried on page 8:
quote:
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
As a rule of thumb, I tend to ignore any thread on this site that is longer than a couple of pages. Any longer, and I can be sure that: at least one troll has been lured from under his bridge, A belligerent half-wit will have got the wrong end of the stick and gone off at a tangent. Someone will make it unnecessarily personal. Someone will take it unnecessarily personally. Pretty soon, each page will be filled only with an unnecessary quote of the thread up until that point Somebody will state a point that has been made before Order will be restored by a moderator only if Lussmanns have been maligned in some way or if Stanstead Abbotts gets a mention. Don't get me wrong, I like this site and love you all. ;o)
Reply ID 86079
quote:It's actually Hear, Hear. Tesco are now listening to gregb and are due to make a statement in relation to their parking policies [:D]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Here Here Mr Shunt - now can that be an end to it? [:D]
Reply ID 86081
quote:Now that is a positive result from a positive action. [^]
Originally posted by James007quote:It's actually Hear, Hear. Tesco are now listening to gregb and are due to make a statement in relation to their parking policies [:D]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Here Here Mr Shunt - now can that be an end to it? [:D]
Reply ID 86082
quote:What?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Probably, as I always had the same view of P&C spaces being an hypocrisy, even when I had young children to care for. :) I didn't consider it a handicap, for which I could pass the inconvenience onto others in society. I had childen and had to adapt to take that into account, not expect it of everybody else. The object of parenting is to produce a responsible adult, not just a bigger child who expects everything to be provided. The parent taking personal ownership for their decision is perhaps the first step. Tolerance is about all one can reasonably ask of those around you.
Originally posted by Louis M
So a hard ass it is :)
Reply ID 86083
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler? We're already on Page 9. Mike Godwin will be very disappointed.
Reply ID 86090
quote:Thats because Admin hasn't deleted any posts yet
Originally posted by Steve
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler?
Reply ID 86091
quote:[:D]
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:Thats because Admin hasn't deleted any posts yet
Originally posted by Steve
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler?
Reply ID 86092
quote:Very unlike you to make such a comment. Take this seriously Steve. This is all about the access rights to a supermarket for people who have a disability, not wikimedia.
Originally posted by Steve
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler? We're already on Page 9. Mike Godwin will be very disappointed.
Reply ID 86095
quote:.....and we haven't had a really good spat like this on here for ages. [:D]
Originally posted by James007quote:Very unlike you to make such a comment. Take this seriously Steve. This is all about the access rights to a supermarket for people who have a disability, not wikimedia.
Originally posted by Steve
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler? We're already on Page 9. Mike Godwin will be very disappointed.
Reply ID 86116
quote:It would appear that Mr Shunt is bang on the money in relation to disabled parking at Tesco; Just park where you want is the answer I am getting. Park for over three hours if you want and wander into town and shop locally and there is no need to pop into Tesco on your return. If you live locally and want to park overnight, do it, because Tesco has no policy on parking. If you are not disabled, park in one of their disability bays because Tesco provides no enforcement policy on parking in their bays and has no Duty of Care towards disabled parking bays. If you are registered blue badge holder, have cancer, a heart condition or are assisted by a carer and the disabled bays are taken by people who park in a disability bay without displaying That Blue Badge, then tough!! Every Little won't Help you because Tesco have not provided a Duty of Care towards Disability. If you have a big van or car, go and park in the Parent and Child bays as Tesco has no policy on parking restrictions. In fact, if you have a nice shiny expensive car, park it sideways across two bays so that you don't get a dent from someone who has disregard for your car and couldn't give a monkeys, because Tesco has no policy on parking. This is the response I have received from the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Thank you for contacting the Equality and Human Rights Commission today regarding the provision of accessible parking. The EHRC helpline offers advice and guidance to those who feel that they have been personally discriminated against on the grounds of gender, race, disability, age, marriage or civil partnership status, sexual orientation, religion and belief or pregnancy and maternity. The Equality Act calls these protected characteristics. The Equality Act makes it unlawful for service providers to discriminate against a person with a disability and requires that they consider what reasonable adjustments they can make to make sure that disabled people are not put at a substantial disadvantage in accessing their services. A supermarket will have met this duty if they have provided some parking bays that are reserved for disabled car users. The following is a quote from a Department of Transport press release. · “The Blue Badge scheme only applies to on-street parking. Private off-street car parks, such as those at supermarkets, are on private land and the charges and conditions of use are essentially a contractual matter between the owner and the motorist. However, the Equality Act 2010 requires providers of services, including car park operators, to take reasonable steps to ensure disabled people are not substantially disadvantaged compared to non-disabled people, when accessing their services. This has implications for car park operators who may have to demonstrate that, as well as marking out disabled person’s parking spaces, they have taken reasonable steps to ensure that they are available to disabled people.” You may be interested to read the full article here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20110530 The Department for Transport has no power to regulate parking enforcement on private land. As stated above, parking in a private car park is a contractual matter between the provider and the user. If a service user feels they have not been able to access the service they may bring a claim of discrimination and failure to make a reasonable adjustment in a County Court. For your information I also attach a link to Disable Motoring, a charity that campaigns for better provisions for disabled drivers. http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20110530 Kind regards Jane Clarke Advisor Equality and Human Rights Commission
Originally posted by shuntquote:.....and we haven't had a really good spat like this on here for ages. [:D]
Originally posted by James007quote:Very unlike you to make such a comment. Take this seriously Steve. This is all about the access rights to a supermarket for people who have a disability, not wikimedia.
Originally posted by Steve
Isn't it time someone mentioned Nazis or Hitler? We're already on Page 9. Mike Godwin will be very disappointed.
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This makes interesting reading as Tesco seems to be losing the grocery battle for the first time in 7 years, their huge source of income. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-01/tesco-s-robbins-promoted-to-new-global-role-supporting-clarke.html Every Little Helps.
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Originally posted by Enoughofthat
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Originally posted by dutch knightquote:[:D]
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
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"The Department for Transport has no power to regulate parking enforcement on private land. As stated above, parking in a private car park is a contractual matter between the provider and the user." What we want is "elf and safety" to go mad on this. P
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quote:The problem all along Paul, is that there is no contract between Tesco and the person parking. There is a parking conditions notice, but this in itself is not enough to establish a contract. By contrast, M&S issues tickets, albeit free ones at times. This does establish a limited contract. For a parking contract to be firmly established the car park would require a ticketed entry system, similar to that which existed when Tesco first opened. However, this is less commercially favourable to Tesco as it slows entry and exit, requires maintenance and staff. The important thing to remember about Tesco is that it is not "Your car park", they are not improvents to "Your store" and every little helps.......Tesco. This is a vast business with a local and national monopoly, not a public amenity. Tesco will do the bare minimum, at the least possible cost. It is its function. It is too big to be effected by bad publicity, unless at national level. The one thing that might make a difference in this Tescotown,is Sainsbury. After all, there are not more customers to be had, so the two will be going head to head for Hertford's finite number of shoppers. A year from now, we should be able to discuss who runs the best car park and this forum will not only be watched by Tesco (it probably is now, via a media monitoring company, such as Cision), they might even take notice of the public opinion expressed here.
Originally posted by Paul
"The Department for Transport has no power to regulate parking enforcement on private land. As stated above, parking in a private car park is a contractual matter between the provider and the user." What we want is "elf and safety" to go mad on this. P
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At the fear of being beaten down (and not trying to reignite the issue!), it appears that a discussion on someone wrongly parking in a disabled space has been turned into Tesco's fault. Putting opinions on Tesco itself aside, is not the main point is that no matter who owns a business, if they make it clear that they have allocated spaces for disabled or even parents & child, then surely out of common courtesy you should respect the wishes of the owner. Or do people not think manners are a good thing anymore!
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quote:I think we agreed that, but not everyone is the same, has the same opinions, or conforms automatically. Many do only because of the threat of penalty. Man's instinct is not to conform, particularly if it is made inconvenient or there is no encouragement. It is in this area where I believe Tesco is lacking.
Originally posted by Taxing
At the fear of being beaten down (and not trying to reignite the issue!), it appears that a discussion on someone wrongly parking in a disabled space has been turned into Tesco's fault. Putting opinions on Tesco itself aside, is not the main point is that no matter who owns a business, if they make it clear that they have allocated spaces for disabled or even parents & child, then surely out of common courtesy you should respect the wishes of the owner. Or do people not think manners are a good thing anymore!
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quote:I literally cannot wait for the thread ‘Who runs the best car park’. It will be fascinating.
Originally posted by shuntquote:The problem all along Paul, is that there is no contract between Tesco and the person parking. There is a parking conditions notice, but this in itself is not enough to establish a contract. By contrast, M&S issues tickets, albeit free ones at times. This does establish a limited contract. For a parking contract to be firmly established the car park would require a ticketed entry system, similar to that which existed when Tesco first opened. However, this is less commercially favourable to Tesco as it slows entry and exit, requires maintenance and staff. The important thing to remember about Tesco is that it is not "Your car park", they are not improvents to "Your store" and every little helps.......Tesco. This is a vast business with a local and national monopoly, not a public amenity. Tesco will do the bare minimum, at the least possible cost. It is its function. It is too big to be effected by bad publicity, unless at national level. The one thing that might make a difference in this Tescotown,is Sainsbury. After all, there are not more customers to be had, so the two will be going head to head for Hertford's finite number of shoppers. A year from now, we should be able to discuss who runs the best car park and this forum will not only be watched by Tesco (it probably is now, via a media monitoring company, such as Cision), they might even take notice of the public opinion expressed here.
Originally posted by Paul
"The Department for Transport has no power to regulate parking enforcement on private land. As stated above, parking in a private car park is a contractual matter between the provider and the user." What we want is "elf and safety" to go mad on this. P
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quote:I'm assuming that's as tongue in cheek as that to which it relates was.[:D]
Originally posted by Louis Mquote:I literally cannot wait for the thread ‘Who runs the best car park’. It will be fascinating.
Originally posted by shuntquote:The problem all along Paul, is that there is no contract between Tesco and the person parking. There is a parking conditions notice, but this in itself is not enough to establish a contract. By contrast, M&S issues tickets, albeit free ones at times. This does establish a limited contract. For a parking contract to be firmly established the car park would require a ticketed entry system, similar to that which existed when Tesco first opened. However, this is less commercially favourable to Tesco as it slows entry and exit, requires maintenance and staff. The important thing to remember about Tesco is that it is not "Your car park", they are not improvents to "Your store" and every little helps.......Tesco. This is a vast business with a local and national monopoly, not a public amenity. Tesco will do the bare minimum, at the least possible cost. It is its function. It is too big to be effected by bad publicity, unless at national level. The one thing that might make a difference in this Tescotown,is Sainsbury. After all, there are not more customers to be had, so the two will be going head to head for Hertford's finite number of shoppers. A year from now, we should be able to discuss who runs the best car park and this forum will not only be watched by Tesco (it probably is now, via a media monitoring company, such as Cision), they might even take notice of the public opinion expressed here.
Originally posted by Paul
"The Department for Transport has no power to regulate parking enforcement on private land. As stated above, parking in a private car park is a contractual matter between the provider and the user." What we want is "elf and safety" to go mad on this. P
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quote:"Man's instinct not to conform" It's not about conforming but respecting the wishes of the owner - which is just manners! It's like you not wanting someone to wear shoes on your new carpet; the majority of people would respect that as it's your house and your rules. If they don't I think it just shows a lack of thought to anyone else [:(!]. As 10 pages of exchange shows one simple act can antagonise a much wider audience!
Originally posted by shuntquote:I think we agreed that, but not everyone is the same, has the same opinions, or conforms automatically. Many do only because of the threat of penalty. Man's instinct is not to conform, particularly if it is made inconvenient or there is no encouragement. It is in this area where I believe Tesco is lacking.
Originally posted by Taxing
At the fear of being beaten down (and not trying to reignite the issue!), it appears that a discussion on someone wrongly parking in a disabled space has been turned into Tesco's fault. Putting opinions on Tesco itself aside, is not the main point is that no matter who owns a business, if they make it clear that they have allocated spaces for disabled or even parents & child, then surely out of common courtesy you should respect the wishes of the owner. Or do people not think manners are a good thing anymore!