Topic ID 6342
Policeman in Cross Road this morning stopping cars that have turned right from Bengeo Street between 7.30 and 9.30. Seemed to be issuing tickets. I wonder how many he gave out, a lot I suspect!
Reply ID 85319
It's good to see the restriction being enforced and hopefully it will serve to deter the drivers who use the cut through and ignore the signs. I can't imagine many tickets were issued as it must take a few minutes to stop a driver, question why he was using the route and then issue the ticket. However in doing so I'm sure many more will have driven past and taken note.
Reply ID 85321
True but anything that makes drivers take note of the signs are a good thing. It gave me a jolt to see him there and I had driven in left from Port Hill ! He did stop the car behind me that came come from the other direction though.
Reply ID 85322
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85327
quote:More to the point there is a no right turn restriction into Cross Road at that time in the morning.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85331
quote:The restriction is the right turn NOT the left one and he was keeping a check on which direction cars were coming from and stopping those coming from Bengeo Street not Port Hill. At least thats what he did when I was there.
Originally posted by jez_pquote:More to the point there is a no right turn restriction into Cross Road at that time in the morning.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85332
Marilyn I think Jez was pointing out that he was there enforcing the law with respect to the no right turn and not deterring people from using that rat-run as this is not his job and he has no powers to do so.
Reply ID 85333
quote:The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85334
Finally, after 12 months or more since the cops finally enforced this restriction between 7.30 am and 9.30 am Mon-Fri! The number who have got away with it though, but I guess as a revenue stream for the Police, this is a good start to the New Year !!!! Seriously, next job tackling all those openly on their mobile phones driving and blatantly doing so!!!!!
Reply ID 85335
quote:Did I state otherwise?
Originally posted by shuntquote:The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85336
Sorry yes I mis-read it I thought someone had mixed thier left and right up but it was probably me! Hopefully it will deter people from ignoring the signs, if they do issue fines it will presumably cover the cost of enforcing it? It is a long time since I saw anyone there checking. Could make The Avenue busier though!
Reply ID 85342
quote:That is not so. If it were, there would be "No Right Turn" signs at almost every junction. It is there to deter motorists using the 'rat run'. However,to conform to this nonsense you only have to drive down to Warren Park Road and then loop back to Port Hill, drive a short distance and turn left into Cross Road.
Originally posted by shuntquote:The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
Reply ID 85345
Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!
Reply ID 85346
This sign is intended to prevent vehicles obstructing traffic while waiting to turn right during peak traffic flow. http://g.co/maps/7jceh If it were to prevent use of the rat run it would be a full time restriction. I would say that this sign is intended to deter users of the rat run. http://g.co/maps/7jceh
Reply ID 85352
The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.
Reply ID 85356
quote:It is, rather like the always unenforceble "Except for Access" signs, a placebo which resulted from a previous decade's version of the protest. It's purpose (being part time) is to prevent queues at peak times, but presented in a manner intended to placate.
Originally posted by Steve
The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.
Reply ID 85377
quote:It is in force at those times because it is the peak times for "rat runners". No other reason.
Originally posted by shuntquote:It is, rather like the always unenforceble "Except for Access" signs, a placebo which resulted from a previous decade's version of the protest. It's purpose (being part time) is to prevent queues at peak times, but presented in a manner intended to placate.
Originally posted by Steve
The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.
Reply ID 85378
quote:You don't have to drive down Warren Park Road. You drive along Bengeo Street, pull into Warren Park Road, then exit, turning right. Lo & behold, Cross Street is on your left and perfectly legal to turn into.
Originally posted by Freddie
Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!
Reply ID 85379
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Reply ID 85380
quote:Do you mean pull into New Road and then into Warren Park Road? Or do you mean pull into Warren Park Road, then turn around and come back out again? Either way I think it's time to consider a Warren Park Road barrier.[;)]
Originally posted by buzzquote:You don't have to drive down Warren Park Road. You drive along Bengeo Street, pull into Warren Park Road, then exit, turning right. Lo & behold, Cross Street is on your left and perfectly legal to turn into.
Originally posted by Freddie
Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!
Reply ID 85381
quote:Pull in to WPR from Bengeo Street and do a U
Originally posted by dennismoore
Do you mean pull into New Road and then into Warren Park Road? Or do you mean pull into Warren Park Road, then turn around and come back out again?
Reply ID 85384
Interestingly; there's another NO ENTRY between 7.30 and 9.30 am at the junction of Cromwell Rd and Ware Rd; for those travelling to Hertford. During the time it's been in force I think I've seen ONE Bobby there on ONE occasion only and that was when the police station was within spitting distance. Some motorists still use that rat run and my reply to the topic may well encourage others to do so. However if the Bill are reading this they may collect a few quid on that corner..... Occasionally (but not often) the Bill park in Rowleys Rd (see LAMP POST MADNESS TOPIC) and nick a few drivers either on their mobiles are not belted-up. BE WARNED ! The culprits are usually women driving Chelsea Tractors or WHITE VAN MAN !
Reply ID 85390
quote:That particular rat run became less useful when they blocked off Rowleys Road though.
Originally posted by tiger.1000
Interestingly; there's another NO ENTRY between 7.30 and 9.30 am at the junction of Cromwell Rd and Ware Rd; for those travelling to Hertford. During the time it's been in force I think I've seen ONE Bobby there on ONE occasion only and that was when the police station was within spitting distance. Some motorists still use that rat run and my reply to the topic may well encourage others to do so. However if the Bill are reading this they may collect a few quid on that corner..... Occasionally (but not often) the Bill park in Rowleys Rd (see LAMP POST MADNESS TOPIC) and nick a few drivers either on their mobiles are not belted-up. BE WARNED ! The culprits are usually women driving Chelsea Tractors or WHITE VAN MAN !
Reply ID 85438
quote:Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Reply ID 85441
Some of us think the rat-run starts in Harlow and encompasses all of Hertford tee hee!![:D]
Reply ID 85445
quote:The matching "No entrance except for access" signs are placed at the junctions of North Road into Beane Road, Bengeo Street into Cross Road, Bengeo Street into The Avenue and Sacombe Road into The Wick. Entrance to Hertford North car-park is within these points and, therefore, it is permissible to drive through Bengeo to park up at the station.
Originally posted by JohnGaltquote:Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Reply ID 85461
Policeman in Cross Road again today so looks like they may be doing random checks to try and stop people disregarding the no right turn sign.
Reply ID 85462
quote:Absolutely correct! However, it is quite difficult due to the inconsiderate (frankly ridiculous) parking on Nelson Street and Wellington.
Originally posted by Woodyquote:The matching "No entrance except for access" signs are placed at the junctions of North Road into Beane Road, Bengeo Street into Cross Road, Bengeo Street into The Avenue and Sacombe Road into The Wick. Entrance to Hertford North car-park is within these points and, therefore, it is permissible to drive through Bengeo to park up at the station.
Originally posted by JohnGaltquote:Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Reply ID 85469
quote:What would you recommend?
Absolutely correct! However, it is quite difficult due to the inconsiderate (frankly ridiculous) parking on Nelson Street and Wellington.
Reply ID 85470
Double yellow lines on the top corners of Nelson Street/Wellington Street and immediately opposite on say 100ft of the north side of Wellington Street?
Reply ID 85472
Yes, double yellow lines are the answer. Keeping Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction clear (and so usable) would probably solve the whole "rat-run" problem. Traffic calming in Beane Road and Byde Street would smooth the traffic flow and so prevent a bottleneck at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction but may not be necessary with the double yellow lines in place.
Reply ID 85478
quote:Would not that not increase the flow of traffic past the existing peak of 4500 cars a day?
Originally posted by Freddie
Yes, double yellow lines are the answer. Keeping Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction clear (and so usable) would probably solve the whole "rat-run" problem. Traffic calming in Beane Road and Byde Street would smooth the traffic flow and so prevent a bottleneck at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction but may not be necessary with the double yellow lines in place.
Reply ID 85479
It was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
Reply ID 85480
The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.
Reply ID 85481
quote:I agree. Cross Street is a nightmare in the mornings when trying to access North Road or the A414.
Originally posted by Steve
I was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
Reply ID 85482
quote:;-) P
Originally posted by Steve
I was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
Reply ID 85484
quote:AAARRRGGGHHHH!!! OWWWWW!!!! -That's me biting my tongue.[:)]
Originally posted by Freddie
The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.
Reply ID 85489
quote:Steve I am surprised at you it is Cross ROAD !! Sorry I started it by the way, was really just interested that the police were enforcing the rules which had not been done for a long time.
Originally posted by Steve
It was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
Reply ID 85492
quote:I take it that you disagree. What is it you want to say? I have travelled extensively and never seen anything like the parking at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction. When you consider how close that junction is to the station it becomes even more incredible that it is tolerated. It is not normal to park at a junction anywhere in the world except the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction in Hertford.
Originally posted by dennismoorequote:AAARRRGGGHHHH!!! OWWWWW!!!! -That's me biting my tongue.[:)]
Originally posted by Freddie
The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.
Reply ID 85503
Some of us had a right old go over the rat run a couple of years ago on other threads Freddie and personally I can't be arsed - I don't think there have been any new developments since then, but try starting a new thread on the subject, passions are still probably quite high. As for atrocious parking, I don't know where your world travels have taken you but I've certainly come across worse examples than the corner of Wellington Street and Nelson Street! Have you never been to Greece or Italy?