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Topic ID 6342

04/01/2012 by Marilyn

Cross Road

Policeman in Cross Road this morning stopping cars that have turned right from Bengeo Street between 7.30 and 9.30. Seemed to be issuing tickets. I wonder how many he gave out, a lot I suspect!


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Reply ID 85319

04/01/2012 by Ewoowar

It's good to see the restriction being enforced and hopefully it will serve to deter the drivers who use the cut through and ignore the signs. I can't imagine many tickets were issued as it must take a few minutes to stop a driver, question why he was using the route and then issue the ticket. However in doing so I'm sure many more will have driven past and taken note.


Reply ID 85321

04/01/2012 by Marilyn

True but anything that makes drivers take note of the signs are a good thing. It gave me a jolt to see him there and I had driven in left from Port Hill ! He did stop the car behind me that came come from the other direction though.


Reply ID 85322

04/01/2012 by Ewoowar

This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.


Reply ID 85327

04/01/2012 by jez_p

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
More to the point there is a no right turn restriction into Cross Road at that time in the morning.


Reply ID 85331

05/01/2012 by Marilyn

quote:
Originally posted by jez_p
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
More to the point there is a no right turn restriction into Cross Road at that time in the morning.
The restriction is the right turn NOT the left one and he was keeping a check on which direction cars were coming from and stopping those coming from Bengeo Street not Port Hill. At least thats what he did when I was there.


Reply ID 85332

05/01/2012 by Golden

Marilyn I think Jez was pointing out that he was there enforcing the law with respect to the no right turn and not deterring people from using that rat-run as this is not his job and he has no powers to do so.


Reply ID 85333

05/01/2012 by shunt

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.


Reply ID 85334

05/01/2012 by Drama Queen

Finally, after 12 months or more since the cops finally enforced this restriction between 7.30 am and 9.30 am Mon-Fri! The number who have got away with it though, but I guess as a revenue stream for the Police, this is a good start to the New Year !!!! Seriously, next job tackling all those openly on their mobile phones driving and blatantly doing so!!!!!


Reply ID 85335

05/01/2012 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.
Did I state otherwise?


Reply ID 85336

05/01/2012 by Marilyn

Sorry yes I mis-read it I thought someone had mixed thier left and right up but it was probably me! Hopefully it will deter people from ignoring the signs, if they do issue fines it will presumably cover the cost of enforcing it? It is a long time since I saw anyone there checking. Could make The Avenue busier though!


Reply ID 85342

05/01/2012 by buzz

quote:
Originally posted by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
This suggests they are wise to the fact that drivers turning left from Port Hill are not using a rat run and that those turning right are likely to be doing so. I hope it deters many.
The no right turn is for safety reasons and to prevent a queue on Bengeo Street in peak times, not as a result of the protesters or to prevent access to Cross Road or streets beyond.
That is not so. If it were, there would be "No Right Turn" signs at almost every junction. It is there to deter motorists using the 'rat run'. However,to conform to this nonsense you only have to drive down to Warren Park Road and then loop back to Port Hill, drive a short distance and turn left into Cross Road.


Reply ID 85345

05/01/2012 by Freddie

Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!


Reply ID 85346

05/01/2012 by Enoughofthat

This sign is intended to prevent vehicles obstructing traffic while waiting to turn right during peak traffic flow. http://g.co/maps/7jceh If it were to prevent use of the rat run it would be a full time restriction. I would say that this sign is intended to deter users of the rat run. http://g.co/maps/7jceh


Reply ID 85352

05/01/2012 by Steve

The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.


Reply ID 85356

05/01/2012 by shunt

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.
It is, rather like the always unenforceble "Except for Access" signs, a placebo which resulted from a previous decade's version of the protest. It's purpose (being part time) is to prevent queues at peak times, but presented in a manner intended to placate.


Reply ID 85377

06/01/2012 by buzz

quote:
Originally posted by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
The restriction was implemented as an experimental measure and proposed in a study into "rat-running" in Bengeo. [url="http://online.eastherts.gov.uk/moderngov/Data/Highways%20Joint%20Member%20Panel/20070129/Agenda/Item6_1.pdf"]Bengeo Rat Running Traffic Study[/url] See para 5.2 This suggests to me that the measure was to combat rat-running rather than congestion in Bengeo Street.
It is, rather like the always unenforceble "Except for Access" signs, a placebo which resulted from a previous decade's version of the protest. It's purpose (being part time) is to prevent queues at peak times, but presented in a manner intended to placate.
It is in force at those times because it is the peak times for "rat runners". No other reason.


Reply ID 85378

06/01/2012 by buzz

quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!
You don't have to drive down Warren Park Road. You drive along Bengeo Street, pull into Warren Park Road, then exit, turning right. Lo & behold, Cross Street is on your left and perfectly legal to turn into.


Reply ID 85379

06/01/2012 by Freddie

I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.


Reply ID 85380

06/01/2012 by dennismoore

quote:
Originally posted by buzz
quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
Good luck with driving down Warren Park Road between 8.30am and 9.00am!
You don't have to drive down Warren Park Road. You drive along Bengeo Street, pull into Warren Park Road, then exit, turning right. Lo & behold, Cross Street is on your left and perfectly legal to turn into.
Do you mean pull into New Road and then into Warren Park Road? Or do you mean pull into Warren Park Road, then turn around and come back out again? Either way I think it's time to consider a Warren Park Road barrier.[;)]


Reply ID 85381

06/01/2012 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by dennismoore
Do you mean pull into New Road and then into Warren Park Road? Or do you mean pull into Warren Park Road, then turn around and come back out again?
Pull in to WPR from Bengeo Street and do a U


Reply ID 85384

06/01/2012 by tiger.1000

Interestingly; there's another NO ENTRY between 7.30 and 9.30 am at the junction of Cromwell Rd and Ware Rd; for those travelling to Hertford. During the time it's been in force I think I've seen ONE Bobby there on ONE occasion only and that was when the police station was within spitting distance. Some motorists still use that rat run and my reply to the topic may well encourage others to do so. However if the Bill are reading this they may collect a few quid on that corner..... Occasionally (but not often) the Bill park in Rowleys Rd (see LAMP POST MADNESS TOPIC) and nick a few drivers either on their mobiles are not belted-up. BE WARNED ! The culprits are usually women driving Chelsea Tractors or WHITE VAN MAN !


Reply ID 85390

06/01/2012 by jez_p

quote:
Originally posted by tiger.1000
Interestingly; there's another NO ENTRY between 7.30 and 9.30 am at the junction of Cromwell Rd and Ware Rd; for those travelling to Hertford. During the time it's been in force I think I've seen ONE Bobby there on ONE occasion only and that was when the police station was within spitting distance. Some motorists still use that rat run and my reply to the topic may well encourage others to do so. However if the Bill are reading this they may collect a few quid on that corner..... Occasionally (but not often) the Bill park in Rowleys Rd (see LAMP POST MADNESS TOPIC) and nick a few drivers either on their mobiles are not belted-up. BE WARNED ! The culprits are usually women driving Chelsea Tractors or WHITE VAN MAN !
That particular rat run became less useful when they blocked off Rowleys Road though.


Reply ID 85438

09/01/2012 by JohnGalt

quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.


Reply ID 85441

09/01/2012 by Drama Queen

Some of us think the rat-run starts in Harlow and encompasses all of Hertford tee hee!![:D]


Reply ID 85445

09/01/2012 by Woody

quote:
Originally posted by JohnGalt
quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.
The matching "No entrance except for access" signs are placed at the junctions of North Road into Beane Road, Bengeo Street into Cross Road, Bengeo Street into The Avenue and Sacombe Road into The Wick. Entrance to Hertford North car-park is within these points and, therefore, it is permissible to drive through Bengeo to park up at the station.


Reply ID 85461

10/01/2012 by Marilyn

Policeman in Cross Road again today so looks like they may be doing random checks to try and stop people disregarding the no right turn sign.


Reply ID 85462

10/01/2012 by Freddie

quote:
Originally posted by Woody
quote:
Originally posted by JohnGalt
quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
I see. I don't think many people actually do this though. My main complaint about the No Right Turn into Cross Road is that it prevents legitimate (non rat-running) access to the HN station car park.
Not sure I would consider that to be "legitimate (non rat-running) access". I guess it depends on where you think the rat run begins and ends.
The matching "No entrance except for access" signs are placed at the junctions of North Road into Beane Road, Bengeo Street into Cross Road, Bengeo Street into The Avenue and Sacombe Road into The Wick. Entrance to Hertford North car-park is within these points and, therefore, it is permissible to drive through Bengeo to park up at the station.
Absolutely correct! However, it is quite difficult due to the inconsiderate (frankly ridiculous) parking on Nelson Street and Wellington.


Reply ID 85469

10/01/2012 by Paul

quote:
Absolutely correct! However, it is quite difficult due to the inconsiderate (frankly ridiculous) parking on Nelson Street and Wellington.
What would you recommend?


Reply ID 85470

11/01/2012 by Taxing

Double yellow lines on the top corners of Nelson Street/Wellington Street and immediately opposite on say 100ft of the north side of Wellington Street?


Reply ID 85472

11/01/2012 by Freddie

Yes, double yellow lines are the answer. Keeping Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction clear (and so usable) would probably solve the whole "rat-run" problem. Traffic calming in Beane Road and Byde Street would smooth the traffic flow and so prevent a bottleneck at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction but may not be necessary with the double yellow lines in place.


Reply ID 85478

11/01/2012 by Paul

quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
Yes, double yellow lines are the answer. Keeping Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction clear (and so usable) would probably solve the whole "rat-run" problem. Traffic calming in Beane Road and Byde Street would smooth the traffic flow and so prevent a bottleneck at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction but may not be necessary with the double yellow lines in place.
Would not that not increase the flow of traffic past the existing peak of 4500 cars a day?


Reply ID 85479

11/01/2012 by Steve

It was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.


Reply ID 85480

11/01/2012 by Freddie

The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.


Reply ID 85481

11/01/2012 by James007

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
I was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
I agree. Cross Street is a nightmare in the mornings when trying to access North Road or the A414.


Reply ID 85482

11/01/2012 by Paul

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
I was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
;-) P


Reply ID 85484

11/01/2012 by dennismoore

quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.
AAARRRGGGHHHH!!! OWWWWW!!!! -That's me biting my tongue.[:)]


Reply ID 85489

12/01/2012 by Marilyn

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
It was only a matter of time before a thread about Cross Street became yet another discussion about the rat-run, with everyone restating their positions.
Steve I am surprised at you it is Cross ROAD !! Sorry I started it by the way, was really just interested that the police were enforcing the rules which had not been done for a long time.


Reply ID 85492

12/01/2012 by Freddie

quote:
Originally posted by dennismoore
quote:
Originally posted by Freddie
The amount of traffic is not the problem. There are problems even at very low traffic levels. The problem is that the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction is blocked by parked cars. Any other point of view could only some from someone who was never travelled outside of Hertford.
AAARRRGGGHHHH!!! OWWWWW!!!! -That's me biting my tongue.[:)]
I take it that you disagree. What is it you want to say? I have travelled extensively and never seen anything like the parking at the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction. When you consider how close that junction is to the station it becomes even more incredible that it is tolerated. It is not normal to park at a junction anywhere in the world except the Nelson Street/Wellington Street junction in Hertford.


Reply ID 85503

12/01/2012 by dennismoore

Some of us had a right old go over the rat run a couple of years ago on other threads Freddie and personally I can't be arsed - I don't think there have been any new developments since then, but try starting a new thread on the subject, passions are still probably quite high. As for atrocious parking, I don't know where your world travels have taken you but I've certainly come across worse examples than the corner of Wellington Street and Nelson Street! Have you never been to Greece or Italy?


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