Topic ID 6254
Stand by with your emergency matches on July 7th 2012....
Reply ID 84460
quote:To give some background to Arty's somewhat cryptic remark, the UK route for the Olympic Torch has been announced, with the torch passing through Hertford and Ware on 7th July. http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/Olympic-torch-to-come-to-Ware-and-Hertford-04112011.htm http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/Olympic-torch-to-come-to-Ware-and-Hertford-04112011.htm (see day 50)
Originally posted by Arty
Stand by with your emergency matches on July 7th 2012....
Reply ID 84461
Nice! If it's coming through Hertford between Ware and Waltham Cross, there's a chance it'll pass right outside my house. Also according to the linky below, there are evening celebrations planned for Hertford too. http://www.london2012.com/olympic-torch-relay-map
Reply ID 84462
Oh, hang on. That's not right. No evening celebrations in Hertford. Misread the map, as it's using the same key symbol for "my postcode" as it is for "evening celebrations at this location". Unless there's a party at my house and no one told me..........
Reply ID 84463
It was going to be a surprise james.
Reply ID 84464
Apologies - I didn't mean to be cryptic...Lord Coe was asked on the BBC this morning the 'what if' question, hence my phrasing.. Based on the fact that not all of us could squeeze into James' party, will any of our local sports clubs be organising events to coincide with this happening? And does anyone know yet the actual route through the town?
Reply ID 84465
quote:I don't know if they'll be allowed to. The Olympic Committee guard their brand aggressively. Useful info: [url="http://www.exhibitions.co.uk/news/event-organisers-urged-to-be-careful-when-using-olympics"]Event organisers urged 'to be careful when using Olympics'[/url]
Originally posted by Arty
... will any of our local sports clubs be organising events to coincide with this happening?
Reply ID 84466
I'm keeping my fingers crossed as I've been nominated by the parents of the mini rugby age group that I run to be a torchbearer - how cool would that be? Apparently I'll hear in December
quote:
Originally posted by Stevequote:I don't know if they'll be allowed to. The Olympic Committee guard their brand aggressively. Useful info: [url="http://www.exhibitions.co.uk/news/event-organisers-urged-to-be-careful-when-using-olympics"]Event organisers urged 'to be careful when using Olympics'[/url]
Originally posted by Arty
... will any of our local sports clubs be organising events to coincide with this happening?
Reply ID 84467
quote:Are you between the age of 12 & 24? If not you have no hope!
Originally posted by Loving Whale
I'm keeping my fingers crossed as I've been nominated by the parents of the mini rugby age group that I run to be a torchbearer - how cool would that be? Apparently I'll hear in Decemberquote:
Originally posted by Stevequote:I don't know if they'll be allowed to. The Olympic Committee guard their brand aggressively. Useful info: [url="http://www.exhibitions.co.uk/news/event-organisers-urged-to-be-careful-when-using-olympics"]Event organisers urged 'to be careful when using Olympics'[/url]
Originally posted by Arty
... will any of our local sports clubs be organising events to coincide with this happening?
Reply ID 84469
No it's fair to say that I'm a little older than 24! The bumpf I got from the London 2012 Torchbearers indicated that I'm on a (not so)shortlist of 28,000 from which they'll anonomously pick just over 2,000 - didn't mention age though - do you know differently then?
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Originally posted by Firedupinsidequote:Are you between the age of 12 & 24? If not you have no hope!
Originally posted by Loving Whale
I'm keeping my fingers crossed as I've been nominated by the parents of the mini rugby age group that I run to be a torchbearer - how cool would that be? Apparently I'll hear in Decemberquote:
Originally posted by Stevequote:I don't know if they'll be allowed to. The Olympic Committee guard their brand aggressively. Useful info: [url="http://www.exhibitions.co.uk/news/event-organisers-urged-to-be-careful-when-using-olympics"]Event organisers urged 'to be careful when using Olympics'[/url]
Originally posted by Arty
... will any of our local sports clubs be organising events to coincide with this happening?
Reply ID 84473
From what I remember,they said that half of the torchbearers were expected to be between 12 and 24
Reply ID 84474
quote:So on that basis there is a 50% chance that someone older than 24 will get to carry the torch on the Hertford leg?
Originally posted by dutch knight
From what I remember,they said that half of the torchbearers were expected to be between 12 and 24
Reply ID 84475
quote:... or younger than 12 [;)]
Originally posted by Victor Meldrewquote:So on that basis there is a 50% chance that someone older than 24 will get to carry the torch on the Hertford leg?
Originally posted by dutch knight
From what I remember,they said that half of the torchbearers were expected to be between 12 and 24
Reply ID 84476
No,all torch bearers have to be 12 or over,sorry.
Reply ID 86916
The route has now been published. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19_03_12_day50_chelmsford_cambridge.pdf
Reply ID 86926
Thank god the route is not up the B1502(stanstead road) that would have been really wicked if the person chosen was so proud and excited to be a torchbearer then realised they had to get it up that hill lol!!!
Reply ID 88808
quote:Probably the single biggest event in Hertford for several years to come and the local rag can't even get the route right. Why the editor cannot get this information correct or allow it's journos to write such piff beggars belief!! http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/East-Herts-heating-up-for-Olympic-flame-02072012.htm Before they edit their own words, here they are: Published: 03/07/2012 08:00 - Updated: 02/07/2012 17:27 East Herts heating up for Olympic flame By Sara Greek THOUSANDS of people are expected to descend on East Herts for the arrival of the Olympic torch on Saturday (July 7). The procession will be in London Road in Hertford at the junction with Mangrove Road at 10.15am. It will then go across the roundabout into Fore Street, left down Market Street, right into Railway Street, right into Church Street, back along Fore Street and left into Ware Road. The torch will leave Hertford at the junction with Cockbush Avenue and be driven to Hertford Road at the junction with Myddleton Road in Ware for 10.41am. Please note: for those coming from Japan, Canada, USA etc please do not congregate in Church Street - you will not see the Olympic Torch.
Originally posted by Kaystarr
Thank god the route is not up the B1502(stanstead road) that would have been really wicked if the person chosen was so proud and excited to be a torchbearer then realised they had to get it up that hill lol!!!
Reply ID 88810
What did The Mercury say when you contacted them to point out the error?
Reply ID 88811
quote:They were closed!
Originally posted by Steve
What did The Mercury say when you contacted them to point out the error?
Reply ID 88812
quote:Unless we get a Nandos [8D]
Originally posted by James007 Probably the single biggest event in Hertford for several years to come
Reply ID 88825
It printed now so too late to change it, hope not too many people stand in Church Street! I see only 1 of the 4 torch bearers lives in Hertford I suppose they had to try and represent the whole county.
Reply ID 88849
Forgive me if I just don't get it and I'm quite prepared to be called a miserable old wotsit but: WHAT IS THE FUSS ALL ABOUT? It's a few people running slowly with a lamp. Whoopdedoo.
Reply ID 88850
You know how kids get excited about school sports day ... well this is kinda like it but on a way bigger scale so more people are getting excited and joining in with the preparations ... you miserable old wotsit!! OK its not for everyone but I think its about making more people part of the celebrations - if it was only a few weeks in the summer it would be easily forgettable. I am very excited as yesterday I got some tickets for the final Saturday - and particularly looking forward to the 37 seconds or so that it takes to run the 4 x 100 metres .. or to put it another way a few people running very fast with a stick!!
Reply ID 88851
I get it with going to the actual games.I got my tickets for some Hockey (women with sticks chasing a ball) yesterday and am thoroughly looking forward to going. This torch hysteria though, can't work it out.
Reply ID 88854
quote:I'm with you on that, but feigning enthusiasm because I'm a weak willed sheep in an Emperor's New Clothes about sort of way.
Originally posted by carlos fandango
I get it with going to the actual games.I got my tickets for some Hockey (women with sticks chasing a ball) yesterday and am thoroughly looking forward to going. This torch hysteria though, can't work it out.
Reply ID 88855
Is it a 10am or 10.15am start tomorrow? Have seen both times and not sure which is correct.
Reply ID 88856
It says 10:12 on this link http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchrelay/day50
Reply ID 88860
quote:We are free men not sheep. We should stand fast and fight with every sinew for our right to be as apathetic as we blooming well like! [}:)][:D]
Originally posted by shuntquote:I'm with you on that, but feigning enthusiasm because I'm a weak willed sheep in an Emperor's New Clothes about sort of way.
Originally posted by carlos fandango
I get it with going to the actual games.I got my tickets for some Hockey (women with sticks chasing a ball) yesterday and am thoroughly looking forward to going. This torch hysteria though, can't work it out.
Reply ID 88861
Not enthusiastic so not going as I think the whole Olympic thing is over priced and over hyped, yes I am a miserable old woman BUT can someone please explain why we have a torch bearer from Tring coming to Hertford today when it will be in Hemel Hempstead and St Albans area tomorrow which are both much closer to Tring. I thought the torch bearers were to be from the LOCAL community?
Reply ID 88862
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/07/olympic-torch-route-hertford
Reply ID 88863
Thanks for posting link, I enjoyed reading that. He's got us nailed, hasn't he! [:)]
Reply ID 88864
Missed a river [:0]
Reply ID 88865
Do you think he's holding a torch for her? [img]../images/forum/holding-a-torch.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 88866
Thats what you call a phallic symbol [:D]
Reply ID 88867
I loved the way the guards assumed a haka position every time the procession stopped. And what's with the sunglasses?
Reply ID 88868
quote:Self mocking arsewipe garbage. An opportunity to add something constructive turned into an opportunity to wave their own literary penis and vent some sort of anger at the town. Garbage. Nasty and unnecessary. Littered with inaccuracies; four rivers, not three...... The 'grassy mound' is a 'motte' and the extensive walled area around it including the bailey and the gatehouse is the 'castle'. Even my eleven year old son knows that. Bypassing such districts as Cold Christmas.........ooooh, that's a nice one.....right in Hertford is Cold Christmas. Even if some of the points may be true and resonate with readers the bitterness is shocking. If the writer (and I will not use the word author) of this diatribe lives in Hertford then perhaps he should consider carting his bitter posterior elsewhere as he clearly has no affection for the town. I hope Pete and Sue on the Ware Road, and Mick, Pat, Rachel and Patrick appreciated whatever bile was spewed by the writer as the flame passed by. Why not be positive?
Originally posted by elcartero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/07/olympic-torch-route-hertford
Reply ID 88869
It was somewhat ironic that the BBC TV coverage stopped as the torch turned right into Church Street. Great to see so many people come into Hertford to watch the event. And it was nice and dry, unlike Ware [:p]
Reply ID 88870
it was quite a spectacle to see in the end , great fun, lovely atmosphere, and the traders in the town could only have been happy! Even the new wobbly bridge near Sainsburys held up to the strain!
Reply ID 88871
quote:Indeed. It does appear to his first effort at an article - all his other 'work' is a lame rehashed press release posing as a review for some God-awful club in Deptford or similar. As for the torch relay itself, I'm really glad I went to watch it as I found it a very exciting and uplifting occasion - much more so than I expected.
Originally posted by Ewoowar Why not be positive?
Reply ID 88872
It must be a tortured existence being a Guardian reader and living in Hertford , offended by everything they see and experience from the moment they get up in the morning to the moment they go to bed at night .
Reply ID 88873
quote:Wow, I didn't read it like that at all. I thought the self mocking was quite nicely pitched and the tone was affectionate. And I don't think he's a proper writer is he? The Grauniad just asked readers to submit short articles about towns on the torch route. Anyway, sorry you didn't like it.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Self mocking arsewipe garbage... Nasty and unnecessary. ...the bitterness is shocking...
Originally posted by elcartero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/07/olympic-torch-route-hertford
Reply ID 88874
quote:I wouldn't have said "a*%#€wipe garbage" and accuracy has never been all that relevant to literary merit. Just not very good (or even funny) would suffice.[V]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Self mocking arsewipe garbage. An opportunity to add something constructive turned into an opportunity to wave their own literary penis and vent some sort of anger at the town. Garbage. Nasty and unnecessary. Littered with inaccuracies; four rivers, not three...... The 'grassy mound' is a 'motte' and the extensive walled area around it including the bailey and the gatehouse is the 'castle'. Even my eleven year old son knows that. Bypassing such districts as Cold Christmas.........ooooh, that's a nice one.....right in Hertford is Cold Christmas. Even if some of the points may be true and resonate with readers the bitterness is shocking. If the writer (and I will not use the word author) of this diatribe lives in Hertford then perhaps he should consider carting his bitter posterior elsewhere as he clearly has no affection for the town. I hope Pete and Sue on the Ware Road, and Mick, Pat, Rachel and Patrick appreciated whatever bile was spewed by the writer as the flame passed by. Why not be positive?
Originally posted by elcartero
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/07/olympic-torch-route-hertford
Reply ID 88875
Anyway, forget the Guardian journo, he just seems bitter that he can't sell his house. Well done to the lady with Multiple Sclerosis, she was an inspiration to all.
Reply ID 88876
....and well done to the rain gods for sparing Hertford (and saving it for Ware - tee hee). [}:)]
Reply ID 88877
There's so much to be positive about today. It was great to see Hertford town centre packed. It was great to see something different, that we will only probably ever see once and to be part of something that brings people together. I'm glad Hertford was on the route for the torch.
Reply ID 88878
I have just read said Guardian article and was shocked in the extreme! Disappointed that it wasn't a poorly-written negative view of Hertford after reading your feedback about it here on the forum. It made me laugh out loud on several occasions. If people aren't finding it to be an amusing, satirical, view of Hertford then you perhaps take yourselves a little too seriously. It's good to be able to laugh at oneself and one's culture. In no way did I find the article insulting, nor do I feel it painted Hertfordians in a negative light. Just my tuppence worth anyroad. Hope all who attended enjoyed the Olympic torch event today [:)]
Reply ID 88879
We had a great time, up to those who choose not to watch. It was great fun and gave hertford traders a little more cash in there pocket. :-))
Reply ID 88881
Loads of people in the town, and more cops than Hertfordshire employs! Why though, was it necessary to have Met Police there? Were we expecting large scale disorder? Terrorist attacks? It was an HERTFORD event!! We didn't need the Met!
Reply ID 88882
The MET have responsibility of the torch as they are the force of the Olympics host city, that's tradition apparently....
Reply ID 88883
quote:I remarked to my wife on the policing cost (and the necessity of their numbers) as we walked back home past three Transits full of coppers parked up by the fire station. That said, the motor cycle outriders going by before the torch arrived that were high-fiving the spectators was a nice touch.
Originally posted by buzz
Loads of people in the town, and more cops than Hertfordshire employs! Why though, was it necessary to have Met Police there? Were we expecting large scale disorder? Terrorist attacks? It was an HERTFORD event!! We didn't need the Met!
Reply ID 88884
quote:So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~
The MET have responsibility of the torch as they are the force of the Olympics host city, that's tradition apparently....
Reply ID 88885
quote:Of course it was a 'nice touch'. They knew they were going to be live on BBC tv.....loads of 'nice bobby' publicity...not spontaneous...just good PR
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I remarked to my wife on the policing cost (and the necessity of their numbers) as we walked back home past three Transits full of coppers parked up by the fire station. That said, the motor cycle outriders going by before the torch arrived that were high-fiving the spectators was a nice touch.
Originally posted by buzz
Loads of people in the town, and more cops than Hertfordshire employs! Why though, was it necessary to have Met Police there? Were we expecting large scale disorder? Terrorist attacks? It was an HERTFORD event!! We didn't need the Met!
Reply ID 88886
quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
Reply ID 88887
quote:I agree. Just because I enjoyed the event itself, does not render me incapable of appreciating it as absurd and pretentious. Likewise, this fine town of ours does have its share of humorous ironies. The lack of an ability to see comedy in oneself, only invites others to point it out on one's behalf.
Originally posted by SallyB
I have just read said Guardian article and was shocked in the extreme! Disappointed that it wasn't a poorly-written negative view of Hertford after reading your feedback about it here on the forum. It made me laugh out loud on several occasions. If people aren't finding it to be an amusing, satirical, view of Hertford then you perhaps take yourselves a little too seriously. It's good to be able to laugh at oneself and one's culture. In no way did I find the article insulting, nor do I feel it painted Hertfordians in a negative light. Just my tuppence worth anyroad. Hope all who attended enjoyed the Olympic torch event today [:)]
Reply ID 88888
quote:Well, if the accompanying runners are Police officers, why aren't they identified as such? Personally if one of them had pushed me out of the way I would have responded, not knowing that they were police.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
Reply ID 88889
I think this is out of order http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18756050
Reply ID 88893
quote:Agreed. What was the idiot on the bike thinking?
Originally posted by Forbes
I think this is out of order http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18756050
Reply ID 88894
lol [:)] I think the bigger idiot was the security guy on an ego trip with a young lad. He appears to actually pull the kid further within the so called bubble straight in front of the car. He could of just guided/pushed him outwards to where he should of been.
Reply ID 88897
quote:You are almost right. He could have...
Originally posted by Forbes
lol [:)] I think the bigger idiot was the security guy on an ego trip with a young lad. He appears to actually pull the kid further within the so called bubble straight in front of the car. He could of just guided/pushed him outwards to where he should of been.
Reply ID 88898
quote:There is immeasurably greater value in a grammatically imperfect, misspelled topical opinion, than ever there is in the tedious emptiness of self-pleasuring pedantry.
You are almost right. He could have...
Reply ID 88899
The previous post you deleted was a little more constructive James007 [:)]
Reply ID 88901
quote:Over excessive use of force. I think there was no need for the level of violence used.
Originally posted by Forbes
I think this is out of order http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18756050
Reply ID 88905
Violence? Over excessive use of force? There was no level of violence used. He was removed. There was no violence. He got on his bike again and rode off realising that he had made a mistake.
Reply ID 88906
You can view the BBC video of the Hertford section at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchrelay/day50#pid=p00syvw9&t=false. It arrives in Hertford about Half way through the video at around 10.12
Reply ID 88907
This seems to cut out just as the torch turns back onto Fore St from South St, it is us or is anyone else having the same problem? This is just before where we were watching from!
Reply ID 88908
No it cuts out for a few minutes. I too got redacted. Out of interest does anyone know who the Chinese runners were? Can't find any details on them.
Reply ID 88909
They lost the webcam feed for about ten minutes, so the coverage from South Street to Gallows Hill is missing. It was mentioned in the live commentary. 1023: It looks like Charlotte is determined to walk the last bit of her relay spell, amid packed crowds here in Hertford. She gets a massive hug and a kiss from the next torchbearer, as a reward. 1026: Julie Smart, here, has a big voice, singing semi-professionally. Massive crowds out here. As noted by Jack McCarthy, who, keeping it short and sweet, tweets: "Hertford is packed!!" 1038: Now that pictures are restored, we believe this is Neil Burgess, who loves a challenge - or six! He took on six events - marathons, triathlons, cycles and swims - in six months to raise money for the children's communication charity, I CAN, to highlight the issues faced by 10% of children in the UK with speech, language and communication needs
Reply ID 88911
quote:Yes there was excessive force. What threat did the young lad pose? If I was his parent I would be looking at legal redress at the unlawful force used
Originally posted by James007
Violence? Over excessive use of force? There was no level of violence used. He was removed. There was no violence. He got on his bike again and rode off realising that he had made a mistake.
Reply ID 88912
Glad it went well for those that thought it worth watching, my kids were most impressed by the free coke and a balloon sad to say. The Guardian article I thought was the pretentious claptrap of someone who thinks they are funnier/cleverer (take your pick) than they really are.
Reply ID 88913
quote:It is very obvious that the escort team are police officers - this fact has been mentioned on numerous news items and, although they do not wear marked high viz jackets, they wear dress that has the Met Police logo on it. Do you want them to run in full uniform? These specialist escort teams have received training in this particular kind of crowd control on the move - it is completely different to the local bobby that lines the route in static positions. The Met also provide an elite team that follow the Around Britain Cycle Race every year providing this specialist type of escort and very good they are too. They can more than adequately deal with numpties that feel they are a cut above the rest of the onlookers trying to prove points. [}:)]
Originally posted by buzzquote:Well, if the accompanying runners are Police officers, why aren't they identified as such? Personally if one of them had pushed me out of the way I would have responded, not knowing that they were police.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
Reply ID 88914
A child, clearly a child, posing no obvious threat or danger is grabbed round the chest, then round the neck and is aggressively wrestled to the tarmac. This adult responsible for this should be ashamed. It is a disgusting, unnecessary and wanton act of violence. The use of physicallity should be proportionate. This was child on a bike, not a fully grown man wielding a machete. What threat was this child? This was assault. The official statement mentions is: A male on a pedal cycle attempted to enter the security bubble around the torchbearer. The Met's torch security team prevented him from gaining access to the torchbearer and the male fell off his bike. He immediately got back on his bike and left. This statement itself is ourageous. The 'male' is a child who did not fall off his bike but was wrestled aggresively to the tarmac by a man. If this was my son I would consider pressing charges for assault.
Reply ID 88915
quote:Oh it is Donostia, it is. And we lie awake at night as well, worrying just how offended we will be the next day too. Oh well, back to the flagellation of my tortured soul.....
Originally posted by Donostia
It must be a tortured existence being a Guardian reader and living in Hertford , offended by everything they see and experience from the moment they get up in the morning to the moment they go to bed at night .
Reply ID 88921
quote:What a load of tosh - look at the video again. It is very obvious that the officer supports himself by his arms and elbows so as not to land heavily on the offender who lost his balance. That was dealt with in the best way possible given the circumstances. Consider all you want - you would get nowhere with allegations of assault. Such a line of thought only encourages similar idiots to have a go for their 15 seconds of fame.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
A child, clearly a child, posing no obvious threat or danger is grabbed round the chest, then round the neck and is aggressively wrestled to the tarmac. This adult responsible for this should be ashamed. It is a disgusting, unnecessary and wanton act of violence. The use of physicallity should be proportionate. This was child on a bike, not a fully grown man wielding a machete. What threat was this child? This was assault. The official statement mentions is: A male on a pedal cycle attempted to enter the security bubble around the torchbearer. The Met's torch security team prevented him from gaining access to the torchbearer and the male fell off his bike. He immediately got back on his bike and left. This statement itself is ourageous. The 'male' is a child who did not fall off his bike but was wrestled aggresively to the tarmac by a man. If this was my son I would consider pressing charges for assault.
Reply ID 88923
quote:It was NOT obvious that they were police officers. I was a cop for 30 years and I DID NOT recognise them as being police. Sadly these days almost anything goes as far as police uniform is concerned. Most of the time, with lack of headgear and appropriate uniform, the guy that collects the trolleys in Tesco's looks the same as a cop.
Originally posted by Moulderquote:It is very obvious that the escort team are police officers - this fact has been mentioned on numerous news items and, although they do not wear marked high viz jackets, they wear dress that has the Met Police logo on it. Do you want them to run in full uniform? These specialist escort teams have received training in this particular kind of crowd control on the move - it is completely different to the local bobby that lines the route in static positions. The Met also provide an elite team that follow the Around Britain Cycle Race every year providing this specialist type of escort and very good they are too. They can more than adequately deal with numpties that feel they are a cut above the rest of the onlookers trying to prove points. [}:)]
Originally posted by buzzquote:Well, if the accompanying runners are Police officers, why aren't they identified as such? Personally if one of them had pushed me out of the way I would have responded, not knowing that they were police.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
Reply ID 88924
quote:Bollocks. YOU look at the video again. The boyposing no threat whatsoever is aggressively thrown to the ground. No reason for it. Put that evidence before a Court and the 'Officer' would be convicted of assault
Originally posted by Moulderquote:What a load of tosh - look at the video again. It is very obvious that the officer supports himself by his arms and elbows so as not to land heavily on the offender who lost his balance. That was dealt with in the best way possible given the circumstances. Consider all you want - you would get nowhere with allegations of assault. Such a line of thought only encourages similar idiots to have a go for their 15 seconds of fame.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
A child, clearly a child, posing no obvious threat or danger is grabbed round the chest, then round the neck and is aggressively wrestled to the tarmac. This adult responsible for this should be ashamed. It is a disgusting, unnecessary and wanton act of violence. The use of physicallity should be proportionate. This was child on a bike, not a fully grown man wielding a machete. What threat was this child? This was assault. The official statement mentions is: A male on a pedal cycle attempted to enter the security bubble around the torchbearer. The Met's torch security team prevented him from gaining access to the torchbearer and the male fell off his bike. He immediately got back on his bike and left. This statement itself is ourageous. The 'male' is a child who did not fall off his bike but was wrestled aggresively to the tarmac by a man. If this was my son I would consider pressing charges for assault.
Reply ID 88925
quote:Where on the video do you see that he 'got on his bike again and rode off'?
Originally posted by James007
Violence? Over excessive use of force? There was no level of violence used. He was removed. There was no violence. He got on his bike again and rode off realising that he had made a mistake.
Reply ID 88926
quote:There is plenty of media output that has adequately covered this Met team that are escorting the torch. Things have moved on since you were pounding the beat and eating your doughnuts - thankfully. The fact that you do not recognise modern policing shows how out of touch you seem to be.
Originally posted by buzzquote:It was NOT obvious that they were police officers. I was a cop for 30 years and I DID NOT recognise them as being police. Sadly these days almost anything goes as far as police uniform is concerned. Most of the time, with lack of headgear and appropriate uniform, the guy that collects the trolleys in Tesco's looks the same as a cop.
Originally posted by Moulderquote:It is very obvious that the escort team are police officers - this fact has been mentioned on numerous news items and, although they do not wear marked high viz jackets, they wear dress that has the Met Police logo on it. Do you want them to run in full uniform? These specialist escort teams have received training in this particular kind of crowd control on the move - it is completely different to the local bobby that lines the route in static positions. The Met also provide an elite team that follow the Around Britain Cycle Race every year providing this specialist type of escort and very good they are too. They can more than adequately deal with numpties that feel they are a cut above the rest of the onlookers trying to prove points. [}:)]
Originally posted by buzzquote:Well, if the accompanying runners are Police officers, why aren't they identified as such? Personally if one of them had pushed me out of the way I would have responded, not knowing that they were police.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
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quote:OK we'll see then shall we? This won't go anywhere - you're spouting effluent.
Originally posted by buzzquote:Bollocks. YOU look at the video again. The boyposing no threat whatsoever is aggressively thrown to the ground. No reason for it. Put that evidence before a Court and the 'Officer' would be convicted of assault
Originally posted by Moulderquote:What a load of tosh - look at the video again. It is very obvious that the officer supports himself by his arms and elbows so as not to land heavily on the offender who lost his balance. That was dealt with in the best way possible given the circumstances. Consider all you want - you would get nowhere with allegations of assault. Such a line of thought only encourages similar idiots to have a go for their 15 seconds of fame.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
A child, clearly a child, posing no obvious threat or danger is grabbed round the chest, then round the neck and is aggressively wrestled to the tarmac. This adult responsible for this should be ashamed. It is a disgusting, unnecessary and wanton act of violence. The use of physicallity should be proportionate. This was child on a bike, not a fully grown man wielding a machete. What threat was this child? This was assault. The official statement mentions is: A male on a pedal cycle attempted to enter the security bubble around the torchbearer. The Met's torch security team prevented him from gaining access to the torchbearer and the male fell off his bike. He immediately got back on his bike and left. This statement itself is ourageous. The 'male' is a child who did not fall off his bike but was wrestled aggresively to the tarmac by a man. If this was my son I would consider pressing charges for assault.
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A clearer view of what happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOADzgjO8GI
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quote:Assault. Thuggery. The boy, and it is cleary a child, was posing no threat. The assaulter stopped him but then deemed it necessary to drag him across the path of the vehicle and onto the floor. How would this grown man feel if a man had assaulted his own child in this manner? As a policeman he would be seeking the correct punishment, I am sure.
Originally posted by Forbes
A clearer view of what happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOADzgjO8GI
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I watchted the touch on the live streaming yesterday and saw a teenage boy being pushed to the side by a female officer. It was along the ware road just past the police station 10.41am I think
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quote:Oh really! What qualifications do you have to make such a stupid remark? And as for eating doughnuts... well that says a lot about you rather than me! I'm afraid that I do recognise modern policing and it does not inspire me
Originally posted by Moulderquote:There is plenty of media output that has adequately covered this Met team that are escorting the torch. Things have moved on since you were pounding the beat and eating your doughnuts - thankfully. The fact that you do not recognise modern policing shows how out of touch you seem to be.
Originally posted by buzzquote:It was NOT obvious that they were police officers. I was a cop for 30 years and I DID NOT recognise them as being police. Sadly these days almost anything goes as far as police uniform is concerned. Most of the time, with lack of headgear and appropriate uniform, the guy that collects the trolleys in Tesco's looks the same as a cop.
Originally posted by Moulderquote:It is very obvious that the escort team are police officers - this fact has been mentioned on numerous news items and, although they do not wear marked high viz jackets, they wear dress that has the Met Police logo on it. Do you want them to run in full uniform? These specialist escort teams have received training in this particular kind of crowd control on the move - it is completely different to the local bobby that lines the route in static positions. The Met also provide an elite team that follow the Around Britain Cycle Race every year providing this specialist type of escort and very good they are too. They can more than adequately deal with numpties that feel they are a cut above the rest of the onlookers trying to prove points. [}:)]
Originally posted by buzzquote:Well, if the accompanying runners are Police officers, why aren't they identified as such? Personally if one of them had pushed me out of the way I would have responded, not knowing that they were police.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:Yes they do, you can read about them here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18645207[/url]
Originally posted by buzz So, do they travel all over the country with the Olympic Torch? If I that is so, were I a London council tax payer I would be seriously pissed off if I was paying for that.
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quote:I totally agree. He should be facing a disciplinary hearing at the very least, but instead I expect he's still out there 'protecting' the Olympic flame from other small boys on bikes.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Assault. Thuggery. The boy, and it is cleary a child, was posing no threat. The assaulter stopped him but then deemed it necessary to drag him across the path of the vehicle and onto the floor. How would this grown man feel if a man had assaulted his own child in this manner? As a policeman he would be seeking the correct punishment, I am sure.
Originally posted by Forbes
A clearer view of what happened - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOADzgjO8GI
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That was an assault by a police officer, I suggest then that people what the attack on that newspaper seller who was trying to get home during a London riot and has since died, if that had been a pensioner on a bike then the story may well have been different.
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The world turns upside down. I consider myself just about as limp-wristedly liberal as they come and I'm certainly no admirer of the average mouth-breathing plodster, but I can't see anything other than appropriate, measured and reasonable force. We've all had the luxury of a video clip of the entire scene to replay at leisure and a weekend in which to decide whether to mount up a high horse. Whereas, the security runner had a split second to react to a quickening blur, glimpsed from the corner of his eye. Inappropriate, but still not unreasonable would have been to administer a forearm smash to the chin as the tyke pedaled past and let him fall where he may. Instead, the lad is caught in a firm embrace and cuddled to the ground. We should also remember that at least two torchbearers have had their once in lifetime moments spoiled by scene-stealing oiks. Some of the bearers have been disabled and would possibly have been unable to react in time to a boisterous lad on a bike, fast approaching from behind. Where would the self-righteous indignation have been directed in that instance?
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Such a shame that a positive thread about a well attended event in Hertford has turned into a slanging match over an insignificant event that happened 50 miles away in a different county. A great atmosphere in the town on Saturday morning and a chance for many to witness a once in a lifetime event, and also a chance for me to meet a number of people that I hadn't seen for while. Well organised and it was also good to see that the promotional buses were kept well out of the way of the main event.
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quote:Too right - come on admin - we're not discovering much about Hertford with this exchange of vitriol (other than the entrenched opinions of some contributors).
Originally posted by Golden
Such a shame that a positive thread about a well attended event in Hertford has turned into a slanging match over an insignificant event that happened 50 miles away in a different county. A great atmosphere in the town on Saturday morning and a chance for many to witness a once in a lifetime event, and also a chance for me to meet a number of people that I hadn't seen for while. Well organised and it was also good to see that the promotional buses were kept well out of the way of the main event.
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'cuddled'...........priceless. But Darcy is correct, this is not relevant to Hertford.
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quote:Was reading the other day that Dorset had 9 Chinese torch bearers , all corporate nominees .
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Out of interest does anyone know who the Chinese runners were? Can't find any details on them.
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quote:Darcy, you've fallen in to the trap that catches all newcomers to Hertford Online, I did it myself. Urging Admin to moderate will get you precisely the opposite effect. If you want him to spring into action, you need to suggest that the table service at Lussmann's is a little slow or the starter could have had a touch more seasoning. The thread will be locked immediately, then quietly deleted a few days later. The focus of almost all threads, longer than a page or two, dissolve into cat-fights and ever lengthening re-quotes of the thread thus far. Sometimes, you'll plough through a six page quote to find no comment at all, or even more puzzling, just an animated emoticon. You'll soon catch on.
Too right - come on admin - we're not discovering much about Hertford with this exchange of vitriol (other than the entrenched opinions of some contributors).
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I was going to do that on Saturday, but it was just a bit too chilly.
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quote:Best post so far, I agree with everything you have said.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
The world turns upside down. I consider myself just about as limp-wristedly liberal as they come and I'm certainly no admirer of the average mouth-breathing plodster, but I can't see anything other than appropriate, measured and reasonable force. We've all had the luxury of a video clip of the entire scene to replay at leisure and a weekend in which to decide whether to mount up a high horse. Whereas, the security runner had a split second to react to a quickening blur, glimpsed from the corner of his eye. Inappropriate, but still not unreasonable would have been to administer a forearm smash to the chin as the tyke pedaled past and let him fall where he may. Instead, the lad is caught in a firm embrace and cuddled to the ground. We should also remember that at least two torchbearers have had their once in lifetime moments spoiled by scene-stealing oiks. Some of the bearers have been disabled and would possibly have been unable to react in time to a boisterous lad on a bike, fast approaching from behind. Where would the self-righteous indignation have been directed in that instance?
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quote:I'll let the two of you be and enjoy your cuddles, WWF style.
Originally posted by James007quote:Best post so far, I agree with everything you have said.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
The world turns upside down. I consider myself just about as limp-wristedly liberal as they come and I'm certainly no admirer of the average mouth-breathing plodster, but I can't see anything other than appropriate, measured and reasonable force. We've all had the luxury of a video clip of the entire scene to replay at leisure and a weekend in which to decide whether to mount up a high horse. Whereas, the security runner had a split second to react to a quickening blur, glimpsed from the corner of his eye. Inappropriate, but still not unreasonable would have been to administer a forearm smash to the chin as the tyke pedaled past and let him fall where he may. Instead, the lad is caught in a firm embrace and cuddled to the ground. We should also remember that at least two torchbearers have had their once in lifetime moments spoiled by scene-stealing oiks. Some of the bearers have been disabled and would possibly have been unable to react in time to a boisterous lad on a bike, fast approaching from behind. Where would the self-righteous indignation have been directed in that instance?