Topic ID 5964
At long last the council are offering us the chance to have parking permits within the boundries of where Sainsburys is being propped up! Before I send my response back, just thought I'd ask what other Hertfordians think? So lets discuss [:D]
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Do you mean a proposed Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ)?
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quote:Residents Parking Permits
Originally posted by Steve
Do you mean a proposed Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ)?
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Sorry I could be being a little dim here. Are you talking about the new Sainsbury's which is still being built? As I thought that all the roads around that site already had a CPZ in place. I know that the Folly does, as do a few others...
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"East Herts Council wishes to consult local residents over whether you wish to see a resident permit parking scheme introduced..." [IMG]http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1403/pscheme2.jpg[/IMG] Letter, maps and leaflets through the door the other day.
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Has there been pressure for this or are the council simply eyeing the income from fines and permits?
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quote:Came as a surprise to me - the letter states that it's linked to the development of Sainsbury, but I don't see the connection. Is it a good idea anyhow.. mmm - there are far too many cars out on the streets and something needs to be done to thin out the numbers, but sometimes the residents are as much to blame as the town centre workers looking for a free parking spot for the day. Unless it is intended to drive people into the car-parks. I'm suspicious of signing up to something like this for fear of the price hikes after it's been introduced. They're quoting £34 per car per annum, and £68pa for a second permit. (And then I bet the 0's will quickly creep into the figure, and not at the front.) Also not sure how visitor vouchers work? 10p per hour when friends come to visit and need to park. Perhaps there's going to be a bloke in a little hut with a roll of tickets just like at the sea-side. And there goes my social life, none of my friends would fork out for the visit. [:)]
Originally posted by Steve
Has there been pressure for this or are the council simply eyeing the income from fines and permits?
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And what about Millmead parents?
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quote:In a way Steve you answer your own question. Walking comes to mind....
Originally posted by Steve
And what about Millmead parents?
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quote:If you lived in Port Vale where the road is used by commuters using Hertford North and others using it to walk into town, I'm probably looking at it from a different angle as it's a bloomin nightmare at the best of times! The permits won't guarantee us a car park space but at least it'll stop others using the road to park for free and also reduce traffic going up and down the road (sometimes at ridiculous speed) For visitor permits, I'm guessing they'll use scratchcards where you scratch off the number of hours they intend to stay like other towns
Originally posted by Ted Badgerquote:Came as a surprise to me - the letter states that it's linked to the development of Sainsbury, but I don't see the connection. Is it a good idea anyhow.. mmm - there are far too many cars out on the streets and something needs to be done to thin out the numbers, but sometimes the residents are as much to blame as the town centre workers looking for a free parking spot for the day. Unless it is intended to drive people into the car-parks. I'm suspicious of signing up to something like this for fear of the price hikes after it's been introduced. They're quoting £34 per car per annum, and £68pa for a second permit. (And then I bet the 0's will quickly creep into the figure, and not at the front.) Also not sure how visitor vouchers work? 10p per hour when friends come to visit and need to park. Perhaps there's going to be a bloke in a little hut with a roll of tickets just like at the sea-side. And there goes my social life, none of my friends would fork out for the visit. [:)]
Originally posted by Steve
Has there been pressure for this or are the council simply eyeing the income from fines and permits?
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quote:Or like the other three existing CPZs in Hertford [:)] The vouchers come in denominations of 1 hour, 5 hours, 1 day and 1 week. 1 hour vouchers cost £2 for 20. 5 hour vouchers cost £5 for 10. 1 day vouchers cost £1 each. 1 week vouchers cost £3 each.
Originally posted by Firedupinside
For visitor permits, I'm guessing they'll use scratchcards where you scratch off the number of hours they intend to stay like other towns
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quote:And what exactly is the problem with that? You make it sound like they are doing something wrong, when in fact they have as much right to park there as anyone else.
but at least it'll stop others using the road to park for free
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Is there a limit on the number of visitor permits you can have? That was always the problem with some other schemes - bearing in mind that you have to dish them out for every single visitor - repairs, nurses, people picking up , dropping off but only staying a minute....
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quote:This has been discussed on the forum a couple of times before. It is naive to think that all parents can walk their children to school, however commendable it may be. 1) Some parents have children at different schools and therefore need to drive to ensure they reach their schools on time. 2) Some children start at a very local school where they can walk but then the family moves home. However the children sometimes remain at the school and walking is no longer an option. I know this to be the case for a number of children at Mill Mead. 3) Some parents need to get straight in the car and off to work after dropping their children at the school. Not all parents enjoy the luxury of flexible working or understanding managers or employers. I'm sure there are some parents who drive and take an easy option when walking to school is possible. However though walking to school is to be encouraged those who need to drive should not be frowned upon. I understand the head teacher at Mill Mead was actively engaged with the authorities regarding proposals to impose parking restrictions on Millmead way a few years ago and in trying to address concerns regarding the traffic wardens. I'm sure she will be aware of the current situation and involved again.
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:In a way Steve you answer your own question. Walking comes to mind....
Originally posted by Steve
And what about Millmead parents?
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quote:This is where it gets difficult because naturally the arguments are from the point of self-interest. The bottom line is though, that it's really about cars on roads. It could be argued that commuters reliant on driving to the station in order to catch the train need to factor in the cost of parking as a consideration of that choice.
Originally posted by Jobyquote:And what exactly is the problem with that? You make it sound like they are doing something wrong, when in fact they have as much right to park there as anyone else.
but at least it'll stop others using the road to park for free
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quote:500 hours p/a (1000 for pensioners)
Originally posted by newgirl
Is there a limit on the number of visitor permits you can have?
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The proposed parking scheme concerns me as a resident of Port Vale. We use the Port Vale pay and display car park and have a resident permit for that which we buy annually - although expensive it does guarantee (we have never not been able to park in there) a space relatively close to our house. Parking on the road itself is difficult but I don't think it is because of commuters or shoppers necessarily - as most of the cars that are there on a regular basis belong to residents. The simple fact is that because the street only allows parking on one side as it is narrow and most homeowners have cars with little or no off street parking available, the road cannot accommodate everyone. A resident parking scheme won't solve this. It is unclear whether the ability to have a permit for the car park will still exist after the scheme is in place. If it doesn't then there simply will not be enough car parking spaces along the road in Port Vale even with permits for the residents. So I will only be agreeing to the scheme if the council will continue to grant permits for the car park. I know my view only considers the impact to Port Vale and appreciate the residents of the other streets in the proposed scheme may feel differently.
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Its 500 Hours Bought + 4 x 1week permits which are free.
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quote:Ah, so what you're saying is that you might end up paying for a season ticket for a car park that you can't park in?
Originally posted by bmhunter99
We use the Port Vale pay and display car park and have a resident permit for that which we buy annually - although expensive it does guarantee (we have never not been able to park in there) a space relatively close to our house.
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quote:You can get permits by post from Buntingford or in person at the EHDC council office at Wallfields. You have to present proof of residency. You can also get special permits if you are having long-term building work done. I've not had need for one of those so far. AS someone else said, a permit is no guarantee that you will get a place during the restricted hours, and most of the schemes are 8:00 a.m. to 6 p.m. (I think the Folly is later).
Originally posted by Stevequote:Or like the other three existing CPZs in Hertford [:)] The vouchers come in denominations of 1 hour, 5 hours, 1 day and 1 week. 1 hour vouchers cost £2 for 20. 5 hour vouchers cost £5 for 10. 1 day vouchers cost £1 each. 1 week vouchers cost £3 each.
Originally posted by Firedupinside
For visitor permits, I'm guessing they'll use scratchcards where you scratch off the number of hours they intend to stay like other towns
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How will the new Sainsbury impact upon parking in this residential area when Sainsbury are laying a car-park for the store? Do Sainsbury intend to charge customers a parking fee and is the concern that some customers will seek free parking in the residential area rather than pay?
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quote:a) Not at all, I wouldn't have thought. b) I wouldn't have thought so - you know what people with cars are like - they need to find the space closest to their destination (see a): Sainsbury have a car park. Most of the residential parking is occupied already by either the homeowners or the commuters, so shoppers to the supermarket would have no chance.
Originally posted by Woody
How will the new Sainsbury impact upon parking in this residential area when Sainsbury are laying a car-park for the store? Do Sainsbury intend to charge customers a parking fee and is the concern that some customers will seek free parking in the residential area rather than pay?
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if they had a pay to park scheme i'd have thought it'd be like hoddesdon where you get a refund in the shop...
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quote:The problem is that with Port Vale street parking is that it also accomodates cars from George & Russell Street as well as the houses in the mews, but the permits will deter others from parking there I wrote on the consultation form that the permits are granted for use in the car park as well as it isn't the busiest of car parks in or around Hertford.
Originally posted by bmhunter99
The proposed parking scheme concerns me as a resident of Port Vale. We use the Port Vale pay and display car park and have a resident permit for that which we buy annually - although expensive it does guarantee (we have never not been able to park in there) a space relatively close to our house. Parking on the road itself is difficult but I don't think it is because of commuters or shoppers necessarily - as most of the cars that are there on a regular basis belong to residents. The simple fact is that because the street only allows parking on one side as it is narrow and most homeowners have cars with little or no off street parking available, the road cannot accommodate everyone. A resident parking scheme won't solve this. It is unclear whether the ability to have a permit for the car park will still exist after the scheme is in place. If it doesn't then there simply will not be enough car parking spaces along the road in Port Vale even with permits for the residents. So I will only be agreeing to the scheme if the council will continue to grant permits for the car park. I know my view only considers the impact to Port Vale and appreciate the residents of the other streets in the proposed scheme may feel differently.
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It's the visitor scheme that puts me off. We have childcare at home 2 days a week - that's nearly 1000 hours per year, and there's no provision for additional hours for this type of carer (I called and checked). I really don't like the lack of flexibility for visitors. When I've been parked as a visitor in the Hertford East scheme, I have to keep one eye on the clock because if you go over your allotted time, you're pretty much guaranteed a ticket.
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As a side issue, the local residents all have an awareness of parking properly so as to get as many cars in as possible. It seems that a lot of the people working in town and just finding a roadside spot for the day don't really bother. Quite often they just pull up across two spaces, park up and wander off to town 'till 5:30.
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In that area it has been measured, 25% driveways, 25% yellow lines, and 50% free parking. The only time you cannot find a space is late at night when everyone has come home and the commuters have gone. To have parking permits will be throwing your money away. P
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quote:My thoughts also Ted, which is why I posted the questions. The OP makes reference to Sainsburys and I can't fathom how this new store will be relevant to local residential parking? Is this really the reason given by the council for considering a CPZ?
Originally posted by Ted Badgerquote:a) Not at all, I wouldn't have thought. b) I wouldn't have thought so - you know what people with cars are like - they need to find the space closest to their destination (see a): Sainsbury have a car park. Most of the residential parking is occupied already by either the homeowners or the commuters, so shoppers to the supermarket would have no chance.
Originally posted by Woody
How will the new Sainsbury impact upon parking in this residential area when Sainsbury are laying a car-park for the store? Do Sainsbury intend to charge customers a parking fee and is the concern that some customers will seek free parking in the residential area rather than pay?
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What mystifies me is that I am unaware of this having been discussed at any committee level at EHDC. As I posted earlier, I'm not sure where the initiative has come from. There's no mention of it at all on the EHDC website. Can anyone indicate where the responses are to be sent?
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I find it odd that I looked at the EHDC website and it says... "There is no funding for new schemes in 2010/11. The Council maintains a waiting list of areas where schemes may be introduced should funding become available in the future." http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10361 So when will this be introduced and why waste time and money now if there isn't going to be anything until 2012?
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quote:Maybe that is Financial Year 2010/2011? We are in FY 2011/12 now. Also Sainsbury's are due to open until Dec 2011 at the earliest.
Originally posted by Joe
I find it odd that I looked at the EHDC website and it says... "There is no funding for new schemes in 2010/11. The Council maintains a waiting list of areas where schemes may be introduced should funding become available in the future." http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=10361 So when will this be introduced and why waste time and money now if there isn't going to be anything until 2012?
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quote:That's strange, it's the other way round in Cowbridge - if you pop out during the day for whatever reason you're stuffed for parking again until all the workers come back and collect their cars at 5:30.
Originally posted by Paul
The only time you cannot find a space is late at night when everyone has come home and the commuters have gone. To have parking permits will be throwing your money away. P
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Are they walking to the station (north) or to the town, when they park? P
quote:
Originally posted by Ted Badger That's strange, it's the other way round in Cowbridge - if you pop out during the day for whatever reason you're stuffed for parking again until all the workers come back and collect their cars at 5:30.
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Up at this end of the proposed zone it's for the town centre. Shop workers are the first in, but after that it's the shoppers that are looking for spaces. After 5:15pm it all starts to empty out again. I can't fault people for wanting to park free of charge, although as I mentioned it does get a little frustrating knowing that if you have to take the car out it's very likely that you're the one that ends up having to pay to park in the car park.
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I wonder if one can assume that the barrier by Millmead School separates two different types of commuter parking? My side for the station and your side for the town? P
quote:
Originally posted by Ted Badger
Up at this end of the proposed zone it's for the town centre. Shop workers are the first in, but after that it's the shoppers that are looking for spaces. After 5:15pm it all starts to empty out again. I can't fault people for wanting to park free of charge, although as I mentioned it does get a little frustrating knowing that if you have to take the car out it's very likely that you're the one that ends up having to pay to park in the car park.
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