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06/04/2011 by jim72

Oh Joy - The Fair is in Town

I cannot believe that Hertford still welcomes the fair every year. I live near Hertford East Railway station and the noise, swearing, urinating in the street, littering and public disorder that this tacky event brings is miserable for anybody who lives nearby. I cannot imagine it brings much revenue to the town, takes what few Community Police Officers we have away from other areas, cannot be good for the park and brings in all sorts of undesirables from the 'less favourable' areas our railway line runs through. Rant over [:)]


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Reply ID 80481

06/04/2011 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by jim72
I cannot believe that Hertford still welcomes the fair every year. I live near Hertford East Railway station and the noise, swearing, urinating in the street, littering and public disorder that this tacky event brings is miserable for anybody who lives nearby. I cannot imagine it brings much revenue to the town, takes what few Community Police Officers we have away from other areas, cannot be good for the park and brings in all sorts of undesirables from the 'less favourable' areas our railway line runs through. Rant over [:)]
I may be wrong but I believe the land used for activities and the circus is hired. I'm not sure what the fees are or who gets the money but I assume it must go to a local authority. If it is a local authority then I wonder what criteria is used for deciding whether or not to permit the hiring. Is it purely revenue? Is it a judgement based upon the number of people who attend and therefore an assumption that the people of Hertford want the fair? Personally I don't like the fair. Every stall or ride is manned by miserable, sour faced folk.


Reply ID 80483

06/04/2011 by Kitty Kat

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Personally I don't like the fair. Every stall or ride is manned by miserable, sour faced folk.
Maybe you should apply for a job? [:D]


Reply ID 80484

06/04/2011 by Ewoowar

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Originally posted by Kitty Kat
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Personally I don't like the fair. Every stall or ride is manned by miserable, sour faced folk.
Maybe you should apply for a job? [:D]
Yep, pin the tail on the donkey..........and you could be my prop.


Reply ID 80485

06/04/2011 by Kitty Kat

Hee Haw


Reply ID 80486

06/04/2011 by tiger.1000

Oy.....Eoowaar or whatever you call yourself. Quite a few of my pals are fairground people. You may know them as gypsies or "pykies",travellers, or what-have-you. Sincerely hope you havn't got a bee in your bonnet about those diamond geezers ?


Reply ID 80487

06/04/2011 by Ray_by_the_Beane

To me, the fair at this time of the year is a sign of the passing of the seasons. It is a welcome reminder that spring has finally come (like the Grand National). It is also a Hertford tradition harking back to times when there was less going on in town.


Reply ID 80488

06/04/2011 by Ewoowar

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Originally posted by tiger.1000
Oy.....Eoowaar or whatever you call yourself. Quite a few of my pals are fairground people. You may know them as gypsies or "pykies",travellers, or what-have-you. Sincerely hope you havn't got a bee in your bonnet about those diamond geezers ?
Blimey! You're touchy! Please read my email again and tell me where on Earth I referred to fairground people as "gypsies or "pykies",travellers, or what-have-you." You can't....because I didn't. The only mention of such in this thread is by your good self. You wrote it, not me. And by putting your reference to "pykies" in quotes makes it look like you are quoting me. Which you are not as I never wrote that. Apart from commenting that Hartham land might be rented for events and wondering what the criteria was.....all I said.....and I mean ALL I SAID.......was "Personally I don't like the fair. Every stall or ride is manned by miserable, sour faced folk". I've been to the fair a few times but in recent times I try to avoid it though my lad loves the bumper cars. Now maybe I am over-generalising but I have no memories of smiling, genuinely cheerful fairground folk. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just don't recall them.


Reply ID 80493

06/04/2011 by Frenchie

Cant say I care much for it after it gets dark.....younger children like it eary in the evening before the trouble starts...


Reply ID 80495

06/04/2011 by thefair1973

I'm taking my 3-year old so she can learn how to pick-pocket, burgle houses and steal cars. Oh, and so she can go on the dodgems. She loves 'em!!


Reply ID 80503

07/04/2011 by newgirl

You can't deny there have been incidents at the fair and that it attracts kids who might be looking for trouble. Wasn't a PCSO attacked there a year or two ago? It seems to me that some of the people who go there are spoiling it for others, its not the fair itself. [:(]


Reply ID 80515

07/04/2011 by Sargasso

I will be sure to double check the shed and house are properly locked when I set off for the day. Agreed on sour faced too.


Reply ID 80516

07/04/2011 by Louis M

Ban it


Reply ID 80517

07/04/2011 by dutch knight

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Originally posted by Sargasso
I will be sure to double check the shed and house are properly locked when I set off for the day. Agreed on sour faced too.
And the proof that theft and break-ins are higher,when the fair is in town,is where....? I have suffered theft and a break-in twice, but the fair wasn't in town. As for trouble,I would say that there is no more trouble than usual in Hertford town centre on a Friday Or Saturday night


Reply ID 80518

07/04/2011 by Kateg28

quote:
Originally posted by Louis M
Ban it
On what grounds? I used to love the fair when I was little. I admit I was unaware of associated crime and the value for money returns at those ages but it was very exciting.


Reply ID 80519

07/04/2011 by Louis M

On the grounds of; Increased Crime, Increased Litter Increased Parking Although it shouldn’t be the case, these types of events attract trouble and as such in my opinion should be banned.


Reply ID 80521

07/04/2011 by dennismoore

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Originally posted by Louis M
Ban it
What kind of a dreary sanitised town do you want? Perhaps we should close down all the pubs whilst we're at it.


Reply ID 80523

07/04/2011 by Louis M

Ok you can go there at night and chill with all the chavs as they drink their bottles of black thorn. Crime increases during these events fact, the Police cant control it, fact and if there was any trouble I am sure they would only send a fake police person anyway...


Reply ID 80525

07/04/2011 by Kateg28

What do you do for fun? I accept there is probably increased crime, littering, parking problems etc, but there is also excitement. Have you seen a young child's face light up with anticipation. It is fun on the rides and I love candy floss. Did you know that life is not perfect but sometimes it can be fun?


Reply ID 80527

07/04/2011 by Louis M

Im all about fun, providing the Police can control it which i do not believe they can. I live very close to the park and it will most likely have much more of an impact on me then others however this is the way I feel about it.


Reply ID 80528

07/04/2011 by dutch knight

The last few times the fair has been in town the police have contolled it ,in a very good way. A lot of the trouble comes from out of town and the police usually patrol Hertford East and stop and search groups of people from the trains ,then they walk down with them.It is like any other event where there are large amounts of people and for what it is worth,go down to Hartham any night,especially the summer months and you will find people drinking alcohol and leaving their rubbish behind,and causing trouble


Reply ID 80537

08/04/2011 by thefair1973

does anyone know what time the rides start on a Friday? I'd like to take my daughter on teh dodgems, but not when all the chavs are there on their Dad's Stella. So, I want to be there as soon as the rides open so I can be in & out in 30mins


Reply ID 80541

08/04/2011 by Kitty Kat

It's open from 2pm every day - see you there [:D]


Reply ID 80577

08/04/2011 by jim72

quote:
What kind of a dreary sanitised town do you want?
Just had to shout at a 14 year girl who was urinating on our property. Forget about sanitizing the town, just come and do the area outside my flat.


Reply ID 80578

08/04/2011 by Louis M

lol, nice, when does it end?


Reply ID 80579

09/04/2011 by steven

Witnessed three kids walking from the fair-direction (I don't know if they were from there or not) past the Barge as I left tonight. One topless, one hooded, one carrying a 3ft long stick shouting how he was going to "batter" someone. There were two young couples ahead of them, I thought they were after them judging by the girls' "are you going to hit us with that" comments so I followed very closely just in case that was their intention. The three turned back just after crossing Bull Plain bridge, still acting very aggressively, but didn't seem to have done anything apart from mouth off. There was a police van parked outside Oddbins so I let them know and they drove off after them. From my experience (and not just tonight) the fair just causes trouble in the evenings. I'm happy for it to be there, but to close at 8/9pm. We went to the fair around 10pm three years ago it was just full of what I can only describe as trouble-making scum. We go out quite a bit and rarely see such a police presence, and never a van. Make what you will of that.


Reply ID 80582

09/04/2011 by Drama Queen

I have avoided fairgrounds for years. It seems that elements, not necessarily from our town and surrounding areas, just come for trouble. It leaves the common in a really bad state, litter etc, and its not cheap. I love fairs, but not the one in Hertford, I just find it really threatening and would rather go further afield to a Thorpe park or somewhere where people go for the rides and not to beat up other folk and cause criminal damage. I don't think the town would miss it! Plus I wonder if those making the Sainsburys supermarket have had any of their tools nicked yet??[:D]


Reply ID 80586

09/04/2011 by Capitalist piglet

To be honest most of these (Hoodie/Thug/Yoof/actually insecure) kids are a bit gammon. Last time the fair was here there was an attempt at a bit of Ware Riot on the Folly with the boys from Cheshunt. 3 police stopped it just walking up the road & 60 or so kids just scarpered. I walked through 2 lads having "a fight",mostly with handbags by the look at it; neither looked capable of doing much harm.... Now in our day....


Reply ID 80588

09/04/2011 by dutch knight

quote:
Originally posted by steven I'm happy for it to be there, but to close at 8/9pm. We went to the fair around 10pm three years ago it was just full of what I can only describe as trouble-making scum. We go out quite a bit and rarely see such a police presence, and never a van. Make what you will of that.
I thought that the fair did close at 9pm? Sorry,but police vans patrol Hertford town centre quite often in the evenings,I think this is reassuring having a regular presence. If there was so much violence and trouble ,I am sure that the fair would be refused to come to Hertford.


Reply ID 80599

09/04/2011 by steven

I have no idea when it closes, I assumed it was still open at 10.30 due to the amount of people about. There is no doubt that it is a magnet for people with attitude problems in the evenings.


Reply ID 80650

13/04/2011 by Louis M

Lots of smashed bottles on Folly island, late night noise from the chavs, yes, the fair is most certainly in town...


Reply ID 80654

13/04/2011 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by Louis M
Lots of smashed bottles on Folly island, late night noise from the chavs, yes, the fair is most certainly in town...
Serious question: is this different to normal?


Reply ID 80659

13/04/2011 by Louis M

Yes, maybe a bit of noise by a group on their way through to the pub on a Friday but the other night seemed very bad.


Reply ID 80730

16/04/2011 by Ewoowar

My 10 year old son came back from the fair this afternoon full of stories. He loved it. I may be a sad old cynical scrote but if 10 year olds can have a whale of a time for a couple of hours in the afternoon then that is fine by me. Clearly other implications need to be considered but if kids have fun there during the afternoon or early evening then it can't be a completely bad thing.


Reply ID 81408

24/05/2011 by Tricky

It would have been nice if the owners of the fair had removed their advertising posters before leaving Hertford. The town is still full of them! Are they going to stay there until they fall off and become litter? I would have thought that clearing up behind them would be part of the agreement for their visit. [:(]


Reply ID 81412

24/05/2011 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by Tricky
It would have been nice if the owners of the fair had removed their advertising posters before leaving Hertford. The town is still full of them! Are they going to stay there until they fall off and become litter? I would have thought that clearing up behind them would be part of the agreement for their visit. [:(]
Frankly I would be surprised if the fair owners gave a......well you know what I mean.


Reply ID 82437

02/08/2011 by Steve

It's back! Thu 4th - Sun 7th.


Reply ID 82438

02/08/2011 by buzz

Let joy be unconfined!!


Reply ID 82441

03/08/2011 by shunt

One in the eye for Sainsbury protesters though. I watched an 18 wheeler truck turn right into Hartham Lane, of a size far in excess of anything Sainsbury uses. It didn't touch any kerb or cross the white line.


Reply ID 82442

03/08/2011 by Kitty Kat

Shunt that is hilarious - I love the fair, I'll be there at the weekend to try and win a goldfish [:p]


Reply ID 82445

03/08/2011 by Arty

Actually, will the Fair still be able to come once Sainsbury's are esconsed (good word, eh? could be a pun...)


Reply ID 82446

03/08/2011 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Arty
Actually, will the Fair still be able to come once Sainsbury's are esconsed (good word, eh? could be a pun...)
Why wouldn't they? [?]


Reply ID 82449

03/08/2011 by Arty

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Arty
Actually, will the Fair still be able to come once Sainsbury's are esconsed (good word, eh? could be a pun...)
Why wouldn't they? [?]
Couldn't remember if the new road configuration would allow for the movement of all their parafernalia.


Reply ID 82492

05/08/2011 by charlotte

is the fair in town this weekend? was planning on having a kids party down there on sat!!?? not sure if want to the fair is there!!


Reply ID 82493

05/08/2011 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by charlotte
is the fair in town this weekend? was planning on having a kids party down there on sat!!?? not sure if want to the fair is there!!
Yes, the fair is in town.


Reply ID 82494

06/08/2011 by Ewoowar

Regarding the 18 wheeler.............whoopee doodle..........I've witnessed smaller lorries mount kerbs on all sides of the entrance. I've also almost been hit by one that mounted the pavement in order to navigate the turn.


Reply ID 82496

06/08/2011 by shunt

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Regarding the 18 wheeler.............whoopee doodle..........I've witnessed smaller lorries mount kerbs on all sides of the entrance. I've also almost been hit by one that mounted the pavement in order to navigate the turn.
It happens. It is possible to drive a smart car badly too......or well. It's not the road's fault or the vehicle type. A junction cannot be dangerous. Improper use can be. The fair lorry just reminded the of the huge Skol and Hartsman tankers which used to come and go from this site on a regular basis without incident.


Reply ID 82499

06/08/2011 by Ewoowar

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Originally posted by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Regarding the 18 wheeler.............whoopee doodle..........I've witnessed smaller lorries mount kerbs on all sides of the entrance. I've also almost been hit by one that mounted the pavement in order to navigate the turn.
It happens. It is possible to drive a smart car badly too......or well. It's not the road's fault or the vehicle type. A junction cannot be dangerous. Improper use can be. The fair lorry just reminded the of the huge Skol and Hartsman tankers which used to come and go from this site on a regular basis without incident.
Nonsense. 'Fault' cannot be attached to a road or junction but to those who permit certain types of vehicle to use them and to those who may drive badly on them. I believe one of the transport surveys submitted by the council in relation to the Sainsburys application even stated that the lorries accessing the road would have to mount the pavement. How is that not dangerous? I think your argument is akin to "all alsations are dogs therefore all dogs are alsations". All lorries can be driven well therefore all lorries are driven well. And from memory I've never seen a Smart car mount the pavement in order to navigate that junction but I have seen many, many lorries do so including the 'Mitchells' lorries leaving the site with waste a few months ago.


Reply ID 82502

06/08/2011 by shunt

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by shunt
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Regarding the 18 wheeler.............whoopee doodle..........I've witnessed smaller lorries mount kerbs on all sides of the entrance. I've also almost been hit by one that mounted the pavement in order to navigate the turn.
It happens. It is possible to drive a smart car badly too......or well. It's not the road's fault or the vehicle type. A junction cannot be dangerous. Improper use can be. The fair lorry just reminded the of the huge Skol and Hartsman tankers which used to come and go from this site on a regular basis without incident.
Nonsense. 'Fault' cannot be attached to a road or junction but to those who permit certain types of vehicle to use them and to those who may drive badly on them. I believe one of the transport surveys submitted by the council in relation to the Sainsburys application even stated that the lorries accessing the road would have to mount the pavement. How is that not dangerous? I think your argument is akin to "all alsations are dogs therefore all dogs are alsations". All lorries can be driven well therefore all lorries are driven well. And from memory I've never seen a Smart car mount the pavement in order to navigate that junction but I have seen many, many lorries do so including the 'Mitchells' lorries leaving the site with waste a few months ago.
For me it's emphasis. The fair lorry can do it, so did tankers for years. The Mitchell lorries you witnessed don't always. So the common factor is the junction, but the result depends on the skill or care taken by the driver. Outside my property, cars frequently mount the pavement for no good reason. The road is wide enough, it is simply that many drivers are not spacially aware and would rather risk pedestrians than the percieved risk of losing a mirror. As for the fair itself, as someone who lives in very close proximity, I have not been aware of any difference in my environment when it is here.


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