Topic ID 5757
Launched at midnight, this website allows you to see reported crime at street level on an interacive map. www.police.uk
Reply ID 79197
Clearly overloaded at the moment - I'm just getting an error message
Reply ID 79200
yeah how clever to launch a website and not be able to deal with the amount of people trying to use it
Reply ID 79201
actually yes; That is clever. Why pay for resource for a peak of traffic which is transient, and doesnt reflect your normal load? Resources you'll never need again after initial launch? Especially when: 1. This peak generates no revenue 2. you're a government agency, so it doesnt really matter if the service is down for a while I'd much rather the huge amount of money we spend on the police is spent in a sensible rather than frivolous way. If the site was commercial, then a different story, I agree.
Reply ID 79204
Actually no, it's silly. For this kind of thing a soft launch is required such that traffic comes in gradually. At any rate, it's hosted on Amazon Web Services which, with the load balancer, can scale up and down at will, so it is just bad planning all round.
Reply ID 79206
no, it's still cost though isnt it. Amazon absolutely muller you on cost once you go beyond a specific point, in fact for anything other than a very simple site they are incredibly expensive. I suspect they've deliberately set a budget amount.
Reply ID 79207
HA! I do like the way they say "Get instant access" to the data. Now that is funny :) Some people are managing to make it work tho! Be interesting to see the map of hertford once it comes up, grab a snapshot if anyone gets in!
Reply ID 79217
seems to be working fine today.
Reply ID 79218
I just dont see the point in this, it has told me nothing I didnt really know/suspect already, most will log on once out of curiosity and then never use again i should imagine. I hope it isnt expensive to run/maintain...
Reply ID 79219
indeed Frenchie. It cost them 300k to build. Whoever did that work did a good job of the design i think, but also did incredibly well out of that fee, technically there's nothing clever there at all, weeks work at most!
Reply ID 79221
suprised at the level of voilence in or around townshend street
Reply ID 79222
Yup poor old Frampton St gets 1 Anti-social behaviour,2 Robbery, 1 Violent crime & 1 Other crime. Which seems a bit strange until you work out it's the nearest road to Hartham common......
Reply ID 79225
It's the high levels of Other Crime I'm worried about. We never had anywhere near this high a level of nonspecificity when I was a lad.
Reply ID 79231
am I right in assuming that the numbers refer to the crimes committed in December 2010 only?
Reply ID 79234
Thats how I read it
Reply ID 79238
Crime is rife in Hertford!
Reply ID 79245
My main concern is not the crime, although of course it needs dealing with. It is the fact that if you type in any town or village in to the search bar, you will find one PC (Police Constable) to two or three PCSO (Police Community Support Officer) ratio. Police Community Support Officers have less bite than a mosquito and I know the hounds of the politically correct circle will try and shoot me for this comment but; I want policing on the streets with strong Police Men/Women, not Police Community Support Officer girls/lads with no powers of arrest. I would be interested to see the figures of successful prosecution from a PCSO. I am actually interested to know why, if I see PCSCOs, they are in a pair? Does anyone remember the black PC always on foot in the town in the 80s and 90s? Best copper the town has had.
Reply ID 79248
quote:My understanding is that if the same crime is reported more than once each report will count towards the total so the actual number may be inflated. That said, is it only me that is surprised by the 35 violent crimes reported? ie. comprising common assault and GBH
Originally posted by thefair1973
Crime is rife in Hertford!
Reply ID 79250
I think the rose coloured glasses can come off. There is now less crime is Hoddesdon, Ware, Broxbourne and WGC than there is in Hertford. And the Hertford Stats EXCLUDE Sele Farm, Pinehurst or Foxholes estate. The largest population centres. Only Hatfield is lagging behind. But I think if the missing estates were added back, Hertford would even top Hatfield.
Reply ID 79254
quote:The stats show the figures for the area within the blue circle. Just move the marker to move the circle and you'll see the stats for Sele Farm. [img]../images/forum/sele-farm-crime-stats.jpg[/img]
Originally posted by Dude
I think the rose coloured glasses can come off. There is now less crime is Hoddesdon, Ware, Broxbourne and WGC than there is in Hertford. And the Hertford Stats EXCLUDE Sele Farm, Pinehurst or Foxholes estate. The largest population centres. Only Hatfield is lagging behind. But I think if the missing estates were added back, Hertford would even top Hatfield.
Reply ID 79255
quote:Hi Steve. Unfortunately, you can move the circle, but not expand it. Using the town centre point, ie searching for the town by name, the high stats for Hertford (238 crimes) exclude the FOUR biggest estates because of the default diameter search. So Hertford is already the second highest town for crime in a 10 mile radius BEFORE you add Sele Farm, Pinehurst, Hornsmill and Foxholes into the equation. Its not pretty reading.
Originally posted by Stevequote:The stats show the figures for the area within the blue circle. Just move the pointer to move the circle and you'll see the stats for Sele Farm. [img]../images/forum/sele-farm-crime-stats.jpg[/img]
Originally posted by Dude
I think the rose coloured glasses can come off. There is now less crime is Hoddesdon, Ware, Broxbourne and WGC than there is in Hertford. And the Hertford Stats EXCLUDE Sele Farm, Pinehurst or Foxholes estate. The largest population centres. Only Hatfield is lagging behind. But I think if the missing estates were added back, Hertford would even top Hatfield.
Reply ID 79256
Excluding Harlow ;)
Reply ID 79258
Much of the ASB and violent crime in Hertford is due the evening economy, which is far more successful than places like Ware and Hoddesdon. This is why the figure for the town centre is significantly higher. Furthermore, a significant proportion of the ASB/violent crime in the town centre is attributable to customers of The Sugar Hut, something which formed part of the police's evidence to support the review of their licence last year.
Reply ID 79259
quote:And Stevenage
Originally posted by Dude
Excluding Harlow ;)
Reply ID 79260
quote:I would normally agree, but the details paint a less obvious picture. The town centre is only equal to the crime in the four biggest estates that are not in the default set of figures. Add in stats like Sele Farm with a 49, plus the other three estates, and Hertford is starting to give Enfield a run for its money. Its also worth noting in the town centre, its places like Folly Island that is suffering. Not Fore Street. That points more to general anti social behaviour than night time economy issues. You only have to walk from the town to Tesco to Hertford East and down to Hartham on a Friday night to see that its not the pubs, its more cultural.
Originally posted by Steve
Much of the ASB and violent crime in Hertford is due the evening economy, which is far more successful than places like Ware and Hoddesdon. This is why the figure for the town centre is significantly higher.
Reply ID 79261
quote:Well, its outside of a ten mile radius, and I only did a search on East Herts, hence Stevenage and Harlow were not in there. Besides, Stevenage is bigger than some cities. A more like for like comparison are the market towns.
Originally posted by Stevequote:And Stevenage
Originally posted by Dude
Excluding Harlow ;)
Reply ID 79278
Just on accuracy, I reported a crime in December and I would've thought the Police would be pleased to ensure it was recorded as they solved it - a shed break in and they recovered the stolen property some days later. But there's no sign of it here.
Reply ID 79295
quote:Because as you say a PCSO is pointless, so in court it'd be their word against the defendant. But if there's 2, it has a lot more standing if they both are saying the same thing. Whereas with a proper cop, their word will always be taken against over that of the defendant. (Maybe not legally, but we all know it's true!)
Originally posted by James007 I am actually interested to know why, if I see PCSCOs, they are in a pair?
Reply ID 79318
Here's an alternative website using government sourced crime figures. It works better for me and shows stats for the whole area in view. http://www.crimesearch.co.uk For anyone interessted, here's the story of how it came to be. http://www.crimesearch.co.uk
Reply ID 79504
quote:You will no doubt be keen to offer your services as a Special Constable then? To say that you would be interested to see the figures of successful prosecution from a PCSO is daft, they are not police officers, their role is to support police officers by dealing with things that do not require a warranted officer. While some might think that PCSOs are "toothless" then they obviously do not understand their role. It is not their job to make arrests or prosecutions. Also, you state your problem is that in some towns and villages you only see one PC and two PCSOs. And what is the problems with this? These are the local neighbourhood officers who are employed to be the face of the police to the community they serve, they are backed up by numerous other teams of police officers and specialists. If you dial 999 to report a crime in progress then the chances are you will have a response unit turn up and not the PC or 2 PCSOs.
Originally posted by James007
My main concern is not the crime, although of course it needs dealing with. It is the fact that if you type in any town or village in to the search bar, you will find one PC (Police Constable) to two or three PCSO (Police Community Support Officer) ratio. Police Community Support Officers have less bite than a mosquito and I know the hounds of the politically correct circle will try and shoot me for this comment but; I want policing on the streets with strong Police Men/Women, not Police Community Support Officer girls/lads with no powers of arrest. I would be interested to see the figures of successful prosecution from a PCSO. I am actually interested to know why, if I see PCSCOs, they are in a pair?