Topic ID 5366
Now that the hot weather has arrived I have spoken to a number of people about the fact that these brown bins are being infested with maggots and I know that one person has now contacted the council, these bins are clearly not designed to be used this way, they stink and they are not fly proof they are just foul and harbour a lot of germs to the point that they are a health hazzard,I have poured a lot of liquid bleach in mine as I have read their paper work on what can and cannot be put in the bin and I cannot find anything about bleach or disinfectant being put in the bin which might be a hazzard for the team that emptys these brown bins, please if you find this as disgusting as I do then please contact the council! [xx(]
Reply ID 75244
Agree wholeheartedly. The bin is simply not suitable for food waste in an 'open' i.e. unbagged state. Foolishly, without reading the small print we purchased the green compostable bags to line our food waste caddy and then transfer into the brown bin in a 'relatively' clean operation. However, the brown bin wasn't emptied for a month by the binmen because the composting contractor that our council uses does not accept the compostable bags. We know that other councils do use composting contractors that accept the composting bags for food waste. We believe that this is where the council needs to focus its efforts and find an alternative composting contractor. We've therefore temporarily resorted to placing food waste in compostable bags back into the black bin. Madness. And yes, we have written to the council and are awaiting a reply.
Reply ID 75246
quote:Yes, Michael - we did the same, and was told that they are not allowed. I have been scrupulously clean with our bin - but despite all methods of preventing the squiggly nasty filthy things and the flies and bluebottles, they are there again - it looks like someone has dumped a bag of chinese fried rice in the bin - the difference being the smell and the fact that the whole thing moves.... Ergh!*J*[img]http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/f15.gif[/img]
Originally posted by Michael
Agree wholeheartedly. The bin is simply not suitable for food waste in an 'open' i.e. unbagged state. Foolishly, without reading the small print we purchased the green compostable bags to line our food waste caddy and then transfer into the brown bin in a 'relatively' clean operation. However, the brown bin wasn't emptied for a month by the binmen because the composting contractor that our council uses does not accept the compostable bags. We know that other councils do use composting contractors that accept the composting bags for food waste. We believe that this is where the council needs to focus its efforts and find an alternative composting contractor. We've therefore temporarily resorted to placing food waste in compostable bags back into the black bin. Madness. And yes, we have written to the council and are awaiting a reply.
Reply ID 75250
quote:Do you leave the lid open? How do the flies get in?
Originally posted by Jayceequote:Yes, Michael - we did the same, and was told that they are not allowed. I have been scrupulously clean with our bin - but despite all methods of preventing the squiggly nasty filthy things and the flies and bluebottles, they are there again - it looks like someone has dumped a bag of chinese fried rice in the bin - the difference being the smell and the fact that the whole thing moves.... Ergh!*J*[img]http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/f15.gif[/img]
Originally posted by Michael
Agree wholeheartedly. The bin is simply not suitable for food waste in an 'open' i.e. unbagged state. Foolishly, without reading the small print we purchased the green compostable bags to line our food waste caddy and then transfer into the brown bin in a 'relatively' clean operation. However, the brown bin wasn't emptied for a month by the binmen because the composting contractor that our council uses does not accept the compostable bags. We know that other councils do use composting contractors that accept the composting bags for food waste. We believe that this is where the council needs to focus its efforts and find an alternative composting contractor. We've therefore temporarily resorted to placing food waste in compostable bags back into the black bin. Madness. And yes, we have written to the council and are awaiting a reply.
Reply ID 75251
Possibly through the faulty cracks/splits in the bins?
Reply ID 75254
Minutes before reading this thread I was disinfecting our brown bin. We have no splits in ours [:0] so the flies must get in via the ill fitting lid. Whatever the case it's becoming very unpleasant. Last night we had the stink from a neighbors very smelly and neglected bin coming into the house so we had to shut the front windows, hopefully the wind direction will change soon so someone else gets their whiff [xx(]
Reply ID 75258
Presumably the flies are already in there - ie once they are no longer maggots! We have lots of flies in ours also. Not pleasant...
Reply ID 75264
A friend has phoned up a Mr Watkins at the council today who is in charge of this and he has said that when your brown bin has been emptied then use your black bin that week for food stuffs and then use the brown bin a week before it is due to be emptied and then you can disinfect it and place a carpet of salt. How much is this going to cost every one? The stink is now very bad should we take said bins to the council and let them have a sniff? If the council are going to change these bins because they split will they replace them with bins with fly proof and smell proof lids?
Reply ID 75267
Now we all know why they started this system in Winter.
Reply ID 75271
Yes - I worked out that I just put foodstuff in the next bin to be collected - whatever the colour of the bin. I don't mind garden waste rotting for two weeks but not food - yuk ! Makes a mockery of the recycling really. I had about three inches of space in the black bin this morning and was tempted to fill it up with cardboard waste so I could keep some capacity in my brown bin. I resisted but its become less about recycling and more about clever distribution of waste to minimise smell and overflow [xx(]
Reply ID 75277
quote:Thats not very environmentally friendly! Wouldn't of thought it would do too much for the resultant compost either [:0]
you can disinfect it and place a carpet of salt.
quote:Thats all we use our brown bin for, but despite all my efforts to keep it hygienic we still have a bin full of nasties [:(]
Our brown bin is mostly garden waste and teabags with cardboard very little food waste in our house apart from peelings and skins, so far no problems thankfully.
Reply ID 75286
quote:No, the lid is closed and I thought, (mistakenly now it seems) that the seal was fairly close fitting. I used about three quarters of a roll of Duck Tape on the split sides, after thoroughly cleaning with the power hose and oodles of disinfectant and bleach. I let the bin dry before lining the base with some CLEAN cardboard, and my waste foodstuff is put into little brown bio-degradable paper bags in the kitchen caddy and placed carefully into the bin. Any bones or meat scraps are also carefully double wrapped in paper, so I am now at a loss how to prevent these wretched squirming devils in future. The next few weeks I am sure the whole county - possibly country, will be infested with flies if we are not all careful! I asked if the bio-degradable plastic green eco bags which could be tied up and sealed could be used, but these bags are not acceptable to our council's rules! Hrump! *J*[img]http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/f15.gif[/img] id="Comic Sans MS">[img]http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/f15.gif[/img]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Do you leave the lid open? How do the flies get in?
Originally posted by Jayceequote:Yes, Michael - we did the same, and was told that they are not allowed. I have been scrupulously clean with our bin - but despite all methods of preventing the squiggly nasty filthy things and the flies and bluebottles, they are there again - it looks like someone has dumped a bag of chinese fried rice in the bin - the difference being the smell and the fact that the whole thing moves.... Ergh!*J*[img]http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/f15.gif[/img]
Originally posted by Michael
Agree wholeheartedly. The bin is simply not suitable for food waste in an 'open' i.e. unbagged state. Foolishly, without reading the small print we purchased the green compostable bags to line our food waste caddy and then transfer into the brown bin in a 'relatively' clean operation. However, the brown bin wasn't emptied for a month by the binmen because the composting contractor that our council uses does not accept the compostable bags. We know that other councils do use composting contractors that accept the composting bags for food waste. We believe that this is where the council needs to focus its efforts and find an alternative composting contractor. We've therefore temporarily resorted to placing food waste in compostable bags back into the black bin. Madness. And yes, we have written to the council and are awaiting a reply.
Reply ID 75291
Forbes, I hope it wasn't our black bin...though it probably was as I've been waiting for the collection yesterday so I could clean it. If it was our bin - or indeed if any of my neighbours have had to endure our bin - then I apologise sincerely. Last night it got a bloomin' good dose of bleach and boiling water, leaving it more acceptable. This last fortnight was particularly bad due to the heat/fortnightly collections/not being vegetarians and from now on it gets cleaned whenever empty as there's no way I want that to happen again! The number of flies also dropped after bin was collected. Funny, that... Surely this method of collection is not suitable on a bio-hazard level.
Reply ID 75295
We have just discovered the same. Disgusting. Washed them down to the bottom of the bin with water and poured bleach in. What to do next? P :-(
Reply ID 75299
quote:Complain to East Herts Council.
Originally posted by Paul
We have just discovered the same. Disgusting. Washed them down to the bottom of the bin with water and poured bleach in. What to do next? P :-(
Reply ID 75300
quote:No Mr P definitely not your bin [:)] The owners of the guilty bin have probably never heard of bleach let alone used it, and the said bin is still festering away [xx(]. But having said that, even though I've cleaned and disinfected our bin I still wouldn't want to get too intimate with it [:0].
Forbes, I hope it wasn't our black bin...though it probably was as I've been waiting for the collection yesterday so I could clean it. If it was our bin - or indeed if any of my neighbours have had to endure our bin - then I apologise sincerely. Last night it got a bloomin' good dose of bleach and boiling water, leaving it more acceptable. This last fortnight was particularly bad due to the heat/fortnightly collections/not being vegetarians and from now on it gets cleaned whenever empty as there's no way I want that to happen again!
Reply ID 75301
quote:The council owns the bin. [;)]
Originally posted by Forbesquote:No Mr P definitely not your bin [:)] The owners of the guilty bin have probably never heard of bleach let alone used it, and the said bin is still festering away [xx(]. But having said that, even though I've cleaned and disinfected our bin I still wouldn't want to get too intimate with it [:0].
Forbes, I hope it wasn't our black bin...though it probably was as I've been waiting for the collection yesterday so I could clean it. If it was our bin - or indeed if any of my neighbours have had to endure our bin - then I apologise sincerely. Last night it got a bloomin' good dose of bleach and boiling water, leaving it more acceptable. This last fortnight was particularly bad due to the heat/fortnightly collections/not being vegetarians and from now on it gets cleaned whenever empty as there's no way I want that to happen again!
Reply ID 75306
quote:Yes, but only when it suits them [:D]
The council owns the bin.
Reply ID 75314
I can feel an online petition coming on. But how should it be worded? P :-/
Reply ID 75321
quote:The Firedup household doesn't have a black bin as have no way of getting the bin through the house and our neighbour has effectively blocked our right of way at the rear of the house, therefore when I picked up out black bin bags the other day they were infested with maggots!!! I only fear that with the speculated government cuts that this will only get worse over the next few years!!!
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:The council owns the bin. [;)]
Originally posted by Forbesquote:No Mr P definitely not your bin [:)] The owners of the guilty bin have probably never heard of bleach let alone used it, and the said bin is still festering away [xx(]. But having said that, even though I've cleaned and disinfected our bin I still wouldn't want to get too intimate with it [:0].
Forbes, I hope it wasn't our black bin...though it probably was as I've been waiting for the collection yesterday so I could clean it. If it was our bin - or indeed if any of my neighbours have had to endure our bin - then I apologise sincerely. Last night it got a bloomin' good dose of bleach and boiling water, leaving it more acceptable. This last fortnight was particularly bad due to the heat/fortnightly collections/not being vegetarians and from now on it gets cleaned whenever empty as there's no way I want that to happen again!
Reply ID 75326
quote:Firedupinside - Why are you using black bags? I couldn't have a bin as I live in a flat and got some pink bags delivered and I put out one or two a week for the dustmen which are collected weekly.
Originally posted by Firedupinsidequote:The Firedup household doesn't have a black bin as have no way of getting the bin through the house and our neighbour has effectively blocked our right of way at the rear of the house, therefore when I picked up out black bin bags the other day they were infested with maggots!!! I only fear that with the speculated government cuts that this will only get worse over the next few years!!!
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:The council owns the bin. [;)]
Originally posted by Forbesquote:No Mr P definitely not your bin [:)] The owners of the guilty bin have probably never heard of bleach let alone used it, and the said bin is still festering away [xx(]. But having said that, even though I've cleaned and disinfected our bin I still wouldn't want to get too intimate with it [:0].
Forbes, I hope it wasn't our black bin...though it probably was as I've been waiting for the collection yesterday so I could clean it. If it was our bin - or indeed if any of my neighbours have had to endure our bin - then I apologise sincerely. Last night it got a bloomin' good dose of bleach and boiling water, leaving it more acceptable. This last fortnight was particularly bad due to the heat/fortnightly collections/not being vegetarians and from now on it gets cleaned whenever empty as there's no way I want that to happen again!
Reply ID 75481
Newspaper picks story up. http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/maggots_infest_bins_in_east_herts_1_525471
Reply ID 75487
quote:{quote from paper}An East Herts Council spokeswoman told the Herald: “We’ve had some reports, it looks like there have been quite a lot. It’s a problem. The advice is to keep all the bin lids shut so that flies can’t get in there, and also to wrap food waste in newspaper, that seems to work. “It is an issue when the weather is hot.”{unquote} Yes, madam we are keeping the darn lids shut - but those sneaky flies just get inside through the splits in those wretched faulty bins...or when the lid is open when you put the food-waste inside!! *J* [img]http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/maggots_infest_bins_in_east_herts_1_525471 Looks like we are in for an interesting summer - we shall all probably need hats with veils (or those Aussie ones with the corks on)to avoid the swarms of flies soon.. G'd day mates....*J*[img]http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/maggots_infest_bins_in_east_herts_1_525471
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
Newspaper picks story up. http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/maggots_infest_bins_in_east_herts_1_525471
Reply ID 75489
I understand that a number of people including myself have been using chemicals and bleach and salt in an effort to kill these maggots, I now wonder if the council realise that they now have several tons of chemicaly contaminated compost which will be no good for anything but to be relocated in a landfill site and how much will this now cost the tax payer? I have watched the flies go in and out of the brown bin while the lid is fully closed and it is clear that the lid is not a perfect fit and these brown bins are not designed to take this kind of waste, so now I am no longer going to put out any food into the brown bin except for veg peelings or fruit, any cooked food stuffs or cold meat or fish or dog/cat food will now be put into the black bin untill the ( swear words ) at the council get this sorted!
Reply ID 75494
quote:I personally, haven't used chemicals or bleach to kill the maggots, I used them to only clean the bin, for the reasons mentioned in your post. It is correct that the chemicals would render the waste contaminated - but have no idea what the answer is -- How do the council propose to deal with the situation is anyones guess! With the temperatures in the high 20's and possibly 30's this weekend - it looks like a maggot-fest is on the way. btw. If you do not put the food in the brown bin, are you likely to get a fine from the council if you don't comply with the rules?? *J* [;)]
Originally posted by night owl
I understand that a number of people including myself have been using chemicals and bleach and salt in an effort to kill these maggots, I now wonder if the council realise that they now have several tons of chemicaly contaminated compost which will be no good for anything but to be relocated in a landfill site and how much will this now cost the tax payer? I have watched the flies go in and out of the brown bin while the lid is fully closed and it is clear that the lid is not a perfect fit and these brown bins are not designed to take this kind of waste, so now I am no longer going to put out any food into the brown bin except for veg peelings or fruit, any cooked food stuffs or cold meat or fish or dog/cat food will now be put into the black bin untill the ( swear words ) at the council get this sorted!
Reply ID 75498
this is not a brown bin issue! We have them in our black bin, and not in the brown bin!!
Reply ID 75499
You could always bag them up and give/sell them to the local fishing club/shop!!
Reply ID 75500
quote:The reason we are noticing smells and maggots so much is because under the old regime, you could bag your food scraps etc tightly in plastic bags that were flyproof and minimised the smell. We can't do that any more - wrapping in newspaper is the best we can manage which in this weather does nothing to keep out flies or keep in smells. The smelly stuff in the black bin - e.g. plastic food packaging - can at least be bagged in plastic for disposal so IMO the black bins don't smell any worse than they ever did, it's the brown bins that are the problem. I know some people who are unable to enjoy their garden because of the smell from their neighbours' bins that are pushed up against the boundary as far as possible from their owners' noses, that's really sad and is a direct consequence of the new regime.
Originally posted by codek2
this is not a brown bin issue! We have them in our black bin, and not in the brown bin!!
Reply ID 75501
Advice on their own webisite - http://tiny.cc/ht7i2 "If you prefer during the hot weather you can place food waste in either your black or you brown bin. However only the material placed in your brown bin will get composted, all material in the black bin will be sent for disposal." So no fines there then.
Reply ID 75505
Very nice of the council now to allow us to do what most of us are doing anyway, or was this always their policy for the summer months?. We haven't put any meat or dairy waste in the brown bin since around May.
Reply ID 75506
I'm guessing no one on here remembers the maggots back in the days we all had galvanised bins. You also used to get maggots in the black bin, only you didn't notice because there was all the other waste in there as well. The problem is, we just don't like being confronted with our waste. I line my kitchen caddy with newspaper and empty direct into the brown bin. I do know of someone who freezes their food waste and places in the brown bin the night before collection. As for the advice about using the bins alternately, this advice was always there.
Reply ID 75507
As Anorak has suggested on the rare occasions we have left over meat or fish it is left in the fridge or freezer until the night before collection. So far fingers crossed garden waste, cardboard and peelings don't seem to be appealing to the flies.
Reply ID 75509
Ah, good, no fines for bagging up food scraps and putting them in the black bin. Thanks, all. Lets hope the message gets through to the people whose minging bins are blighting their neighbours!
Reply ID 75510
I would have thought it was common sense to not put meat/fish/dairy waste in the brown bins in this weather?
Reply ID 75516
Actually, we could all put our food waste into the brown bins and keep the nasty niffs and squirmy nasty maggots entrapped, if we were allowed to use the eco-friendly bio-degradable plastic caddy bin bags - but NO! - our council says No - not for us!! We could all then still be doing our bit to save the ever mounting refuse tips, by using eco-friendly caddy bags -- and continue to recycle/compost our waste without a problem. *J* [IMG]http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/begging.gif[/IMG]
Reply ID 75534
Actually the main difference is about Wrapping food waste in plastic (or bio degradable, compostable pseudo plastic) Maybe the bin men wouldn't notice if your compostable bags were obscured in some way by say some garden waste. Not that I am condoning this as a course of action[;)]
Reply ID 75537
Isn't food waste collected weekly still?
Reply ID 75540
quote:Yes if you put it in the brown bin one week and the black the next, it would seem some people have just been using the brown bin so it has waited 2 weeks......
Originally posted by James007
Isn't food waste collected weekly still?
Reply ID 75544
Hi on the leaflet called arc that came out to let you know what goes in what bin, it has 2 columns one Yes Please and the other No Thanks for these brown bins and under the Yes Please it clearly states Any food waste: cooked or raw! I cannot find antthing about one week in the brown bin and one week in the black bin? Has this been written down on another leaflet which we have not been given? It was only when I contacted the council that I was told about this, does anyone have some information about this?
Reply ID 75547
We now, only put "flesh" in the black bin sealed inside a plastic bag. What else can we do when the system does not work? P
Reply ID 75550
quote:NightOwl. It took just two clicks and I found the same leaflet you obviously have not read. Read page 2, the black bin part - http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/media/pdf/0/8/ARC_A5_Leaflet_final_24-7-09.pdf
Originally posted by night owl
Hi on the leaflet called arc that came out to let you know what goes in what bin, it has 2 columns one Yes Please and the other No Thanks for these brown bins and under the Yes Please it clearly states Any food waste: cooked or raw! I cannot find antthing about one week in the brown bin and one week in the black bin? Has this been written down on another leaflet which we have not been given? It was only when I contacted the council that I was told about this, does anyone have some information about this?
Reply ID 75562
Hi James007 I have read this leaflet and no where can I find on it use the brown bin one week and the black bin the other week?
Reply ID 75563
quote:Page 1, column 3: How does ARC work? ". . . we will collect your black bin one week and your brown bin . . . the next. . ." Page 2 column 5: Brown Bin ". . . Any food waste: cooked or raw . . ." Page 2, column 5: Black Bin ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ."
Originally posted by night owl
Hi James007 I have read this leaflet and no where can I find on it use the brown bin one week and the black bin the other week?
Reply ID 75568
I'm guessing the reason the no "eco friendly" plastic bags was first introduced is because a lot of them are like the biodegradable plastics bags available in supermarkets. They actually take quite a while to degrade (up to 5 years, I believe)and do still contain plastics which are toxic when burnt or "rendered" as happens to the brown bin contents
Reply ID 75570
And? Where does it say in this leaflet for cooked or raw foods to use the brown bin one week and the black bin the next week?
quote:
Originally posted by Woodyquote:Page 1, column 3: How does ARC work? ". . . we will collect your black bin one week and your brown bin . . . the next. . ." Page 2 column 5: Brown Bin ". . . Any food waste: cooked or raw . . ." Page 2, column 5: Black Bin ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ."
Originally posted by night owl
Hi James007 I have read this leaflet and no where can I find on it use the brown bin one week and the black bin the other week?
Reply ID 75575
Page 2, column 5: Black Bin ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ." Well, I would have thought that would be what the above infers
Reply ID 75576
Then again we could always go back to the good old days when no one gave a toss about the environment or indeed the future that they are leaving for their kids and future generations. Think I might just chuck my rubbish in the street. After all, there's plenty of unemployed people who could make money out of scavenging. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sx05r
Reply ID 75578
Quite right Anorak. It's not as if we're being asked to do very much, in fact a drop in the ocean compared to what we should be doing.
Reply ID 75579
quote:What should we be doing?
Originally posted by dennismoore
Quite right Anorak. It's not as if we're being asked to do very much, in fact a drop in the ocean compared to what we should be doing.
Reply ID 75581
quote:Blimey Sarah, where've you been? Here is definately not the place for an essay on the environmental impact of waste disposal! [;)]
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:What should we be doing?
Originally posted by dennismoore
Quite right Anorak. It's not as if we're being asked to do very much, in fact a drop in the ocean compared to what we should be doing.
Reply ID 75582
quote:You're right Night Owl. 100%, spot-on, accurate. If the District Council don't say it in a single sentence, preferably without any punctuation or grammatical accuracy then it can't happen - can it? How did I miss that? There was me thinking that the ability to read a full piece, to comprehend and to think for oneself was perfectly natural when in fact, as you have enlightened me, it is clearly wrong. Accordingly, I've re-read the Forum rules too and note that it doesn't say I should seek to assist or to respond to dimwits either, so I guess I won't be allowed to reply to you any more. So sorry about that, but at least you'll have the maggots in your bin to keep you company as you ponder the meaning of ". . . we will collect your black bin one week and your brown bin . . . the next. . .", whilst those of us who "mis-understood" the ARC leaflet remain maggot-free. ps - please look-up sarcasm before you take the above literally. [}:)]
Originally posted by night owl
And? Where does it say in this leaflet for cooked or raw foods to use the brown bin one week and the black bin the next week?quote:
Originally posted by Woodyquote:Page 1, column 3: How does ARC work? ". . . we will collect your black bin one week and your brown bin . . . the next. . ." Page 2 column 5: Brown Bin ". . . Any food waste: cooked or raw . . ." Page 2, column 5: Black Bin ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ."
Originally posted by night owl
Hi James007 I have read this leaflet and no where can I find on it use the brown bin one week and the black bin the other week?
Reply ID 75583
quote:Buy less, so there would be no need for this complex and expensive farce. Not economically friendly, so that gets left out of every, so called, "green initiative". [;)]
Originally posted by ~Sarah~quote:What should we be doing?
Originally posted by dennismoore
Quite right Anorak. It's not as if we're being asked to do very much, in fact a drop in the ocean compared to what we should be doing.
Reply ID 75584
quote:<pedant mode> It doesn't infer anything - you have inferred that because the leaflet implied it <end of pedant mode>
Originally posted by Anorak
Page 2, column 5: Black Bin ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ." Well, I would have thought that would be what the above infers
Reply ID 75588
Hi Woody sorry you seem so upset and have to resort to sarcasm, if you do not understand the English language as the difference between (use) and (collect) as in We will collect your bin and I am clearly talking about the use of the bins,do you think it is a good idea that you have to come on here and when you make a mistake you have to resort to sarcasm and the mistake was of James007 making as he obviously failed to read the leaflet as it was written and has not answered my reply yet? I suppose I can expect more sarcarsm from him as well as the last time we spoke on here he did not know the difference between Trespass and Aggravated trespass, I do suggest that things you and James are referring to are read correctly and not to twist things as this is not fair, I was only asking if there was another leaflet that I had not seen, and at the end of the day the council will most likely employ an inspector to make sure that the correct rubbish goes in the correct bin and if you have put your food waste in the black bin, then you can expect a fine and when you use the brown bin then expect maggots.
Reply ID 75607
I am sure I did read it somewhere but I think it as either in the Merury or the article in the free magazine when they were first starting the alternate weeks, it is not spelt out specifically on the leaflets so is open to interpretation on there.
Reply ID 75624
I'm sorry but I don't see how ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ." can be taken as anything other than permission use the black bin for food if you so wish. Having read the leaflet again it all seems perfectly clear to me, I don't understand the confusion. BTW saw this advertised on TV ... http://www.challs.com/en/bin_buddy/so_your_bin_suffers_from_smells_or_insects
Reply ID 75641
quote:It is as clear as daylight to me too. Perhaps one more time for those whose vision is more nocturnal. To comprehend (verb): To take in the meaning; to grasp mentally; to take together, to unite; to understand. As in, you may put food waste in your black bin (ie - you may use it for this purpose), which we will collect one week though will not compost and you may also place food waste in your brown bin (ie - you may use this bin too), which will be collected on the alternative week and will be composted. Therefore, you may use either bin for food waste, which will be collected on alternative weeks and as a result you will have a weekly food waste collection. Obtuse (adjective): Lacking quickness of perception or intellect; lacking in common sense; dull. As in, we can all expect fines for using our black bins. Funny that, I don't recall ever seeing any mention about bin inspectors or fines on any East Herts DC literature.
Originally posted by gemipicorn
I'm sorry but I don't see how ". . . You may put food waste in your black bin but it will not be composted. . ." can be taken as anything other than permission use the black bin for food if you so wish. Having read the leaflet again it all seems perfectly clear to me, I don't understand the confusion. BTW saw this advertised on TV ... http://www.challs.com/en/bin_buddy/so_your_bin_suffers_from_smells_or_insects
Reply ID 75642
quote:Me neither [?]
Originally posted by Woody I don't recall ever seeing any mention about bin inspectors or fines on any East Herts DC literature.
Reply ID 75644
Isn't that nice[:D] Mr Eric Pickles going to do away such things as fines and fortnightly collections?
Reply ID 75651
quote:I read that recently. Is NightOwl aware of this? [?]
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
Isn't that nice[:D] Mr Eric Pickles going to do away such things as fines and fortnightly collections?
Reply ID 75652
It appears that there are a number of people on here who like to twist what others are saying on here well twist away thats just another form of sarcasm, if you had bother to read what I wrote about the inspectors I said MOST LIKLEY which in no way shape or form translates to DEFINITELY, the same as MAY does not translate to USE, may is a very obtuse word just like some of the people who have chosen to have a go well carry on as all you are doing is showing everyone the low level of your I,Q, and bringing this web site into disrepute and in your ignorance just being plain rude. And no I have not heard of Mr E Pickles as I do not spend all my time trolling the web.
Reply ID 75654
quote:God bless you son. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thick%20as%20pig%20**** Now a pile of that really would cause bin maggots, brown or otherwise. [;)]
Originally posted by night owl
It appears that there are a number of people on here who like to twist what others are saying on here well twist away thats just another form of sarcasm, if you had bother to read what I wrote about the inspectors I said MOST LIKLEY which in no way shape or form translates to DEFINITELY, the same as MAY does not translate to USE, may is a very obtuse word just like some of the people who have chosen to have a go well carry on as all you are doing is showing everyone the low level of your I,Q, and bringing this web site into disrepute and in your ignorance just being plain rude. And no I have not heard of Mr E Pickles as I do not spend all my time trolling the web.
Reply ID 75659
Hi Woody please read the Arc leaflet as NO WHERE but NO WHERE in it does it say Please use the brown bin one week and the black bin the next week for food stuffs, as for your thick pig s--t link you clearly are not all there as you cannot understand simple three letter words or simple phrases, please feel free to twist this as you want but at the end of the day you are wrong and you have had to resort to name calling and anyone can do that cant they I mean you do sound really retarded like you have just crawled out off some brown stuff and I could go on but you and James007 in your pure ignorance are just both very wrong and very ignorant.
Reply ID 75660
quote:Did you mean 'abstruse'? 'Obtuse' means lacking quickness of perception or intellect. [;)] Eric Pickles is Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.
Originally posted by night owl may is a very obtuse word just like some of the people who have chosen to have a go well carry on as all you are doing is showing everyone the low level of your I,Q, and bringing this web site into disrepute and in your ignorance just being plain rude. And no I have not heard of Mr E Pickles as I do not spend all my time trolling the web.
Reply ID 75661
quote:I'm left asking myself, are you a Troll? Or, can anyone really have such little comprehension for the written word and inability to think for oneself? Firstly, I pointed out the relevant passages for you to piece together by yourself - that didn't work for you, did it? I then told you that you are correct in that the exact wording you are looking for is not present. I strongly hinted for you that should you use comprehension rather than a literal approach, then you might understand that which you seek. Sadly, this indirect approach was also of no use for you. I then defined for you, how to comprehend and I gave you a relevant example. Simultaneously, I defined for you the meaning of the word obtuse and gave you a personal reference hoping that this might help you understand. Neither of these were any use for you either, were they? Having prompted you, hinted for you and then spelling it out for you - none of which have worked, - then either you really are TAPS or a Troll. No-one can be as thick as you portray yourself to be so you've got to be a wind-up merchant. Well done Night Owl, you got me. [:D]
Originally posted by night owl
Hi Woody please read the Arc leaflet as NO WHERE but NO WHERE in it does it say Please use the brown bin one week and the black bin the next week for food stuffs, as for your thick pig s--t link you clearly are not all there as you cannot understand simple three letter words or simple phrases, please feel free to twist this as you want but at the end of the day you are wrong and you have had to resort to name calling and anyone can do that cant they I mean you do sound really retarded like you have just crawled out off some brown stuff and I could go on but you and James007 in your pure ignorance are just both very wrong and very ignorant.
Reply ID 75662
Hells bells! Chill out guys!
Reply ID 75682
One for the "when threads go bad" topic methinks Admin! FWIW I agree with Woody that the ARC doc infer that you can use alternate bins for food waste, however you will have to forgo the happy thought that your food waste is being recycled when you use the black bin.
Reply ID 75685
What a shame this thread descended into abuse, it is now miles away from the point I was trying to make at the start. Problem: The Brown bin stinks and is unclean because food waste is not well contained by newspaper. The large size of the bin makes it very difficult to keep clean each week. As a result I personally have stopped using it for food waste. Possible solutions: 1) Other councils use composters that accept the 'green' composting bags. I feel that if I were allowed to contain the food waste in these bags I'd be more able to use the Brown bin again. 2) Provide a smaller, Food Waste bin that I can keep clean. Ideally, combine the above two solutions.
Reply ID 75686
quote:I agree. I don't have maggots in my bin thankfully but I would still rather put my food waist in compostable bags if allowed.
Originally posted by Michael
Other councils use composters that accept the 'green' composting bags. I feel that if I were allowed to contain the food waste in these bags I'd be more able to use the Brown bin again.
Reply ID 75689
quote:I have one of those too.[:I]
Originally posted by gemipicornquote:I agree. I don't have maggots in my bin thankfully but I would still rather put my food waist in compostable bags if allowed.
Originally posted by Michael
Other councils use composters that accept the 'green' composting bags. I feel that if I were allowed to contain the food waste in these bags I'd be more able to use the Brown bin again.
Reply ID 75691
Does it fit into a compostable bag? [;)]
Reply ID 75693
quote:Not compostable. She'd dig her way out and probably be very miffed.
Originally posted by dennismoore
Does it fit into a compostable bag? [;)]
Reply ID 75696
quote:Oh ha ha [:D] I can spell, honest, but my fingers can't [:I]
Originally posted by shuntquote:I have one of those too.[:I]
Originally posted by gemipicorn I agree. I don't have maggots in my bin thankfully but I would still rather put my food waist in compostable bags if allowed.
Reply ID 75698
quote:A common characteristic. Even the spelling pedants on here mess it up sometimes.[:)]
Originally posted by gemipicornquote:Oh ha ha [:D] I can spell, honest, but my fingers can't [:I]
Originally posted by shuntquote:I have one of those too.[:I]
Originally posted by gemipicorn I agree. I don't have maggots in my bin thankfully but I would still rather put my food waist in compostable bags if allowed.
Reply ID 75937
I have just spoken to the council about our brown bin maggot problem and they have immediately offered to replace our bin, free of charge, for one with a properly fitting lid. It remains to be seen whether the new bin does have a good enough seal to stop flies getting in. The pictures I sent shocked them into action within a few minutes :-) I did ask why they do not allow the corn-starch liners when other councils do, and this was the reply: "Unfortunately the facility we use to compost waste is unable to accept the cornstarch liners, other authorities are able to use them, as it is a different process used to compost. (many of them accept food waste only, not cardboard or garden waste)." I spoke to Louise Overington and she was very helpful. A few more direct emails to her may get them to take this problem more seriously Louise.Overington(at)eastherts.gov.uk
Reply ID 75964
quote:We have the same maggot problem but have a new bin with a seemingly tight fitting lid and no damage to the bin (it was replaced towards the end of last year. You'll still get maggots I'm afraid as the flies a) can get to the food waste before you bin it and b) can fly into the bin when you open the lid to put food in. Just be aware that if you put food in the black bin you'll then get maggots in *both* bins as in our it takes less than a week for them to appear in this hot weather. Just think of it as pre-composting [:)]
Originally posted by Montgomery
I have just spoken to the council about our brown bin maggot problem and they have immediately offered to replace our bin, free of charge, for one with a properly fitting lid. It remains to be seen whether the new bin does have a good enough seal to stop flies getting in. The pictures I sent shocked them into action within a few minutes :-) I did ask why they do not allow the corn-starch liners when other councils do, and this was the reply: "Unfortunately the facility we use to compost waste is unable to accept the cornstarch liners, other authorities are able to use them, as it is a different process used to compost. (many of them accept food waste only, not cardboard or garden waste)." I spoke to Louise Overington and she was very helpful. A few more direct emails to her may get them to take this problem more seriously Louise.Overington(at)eastherts.gov.uk
Reply ID 76008
With the huge increase in maggots, will naturally, come a huge increase in flies..I am waiting in trepidation for the evolution of massive spiders in Hertford. After all mother nature does have a way of balancing things out!
Reply ID 76012
That poor old lady who swallowed that fly. What will happen to her?
Reply ID 76475
Just had my first problem with brown bin maggots - tons of the f********s despite wrapping food in tons of newspaper! Also found a good solution - loads of cooking salt - not table salt - watch them squirm, shiver up and die a painful death.
Reply ID 76478
You all need in-sink erators, waste disposal units. We never put food waste in the bin. It either goes down the plug hole or onto the compost heap, or in the dog!!
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Had the same problem today to a massive degree. Phoned EHDC because the situation was extremely bad and their attitude was "your problem, deal with it". They proceeded to end the phone call with "This conversation has now finished" and put the phone down. Slightly different topic, but for two years now, a rather large property near me has been using adjacent public land to dump their rubbish. It started with them actually using a mechanical digger to dump building waste. The evidence was there for everyone to see, including the caterpillar tracks leading from the piles of rubble to their property. I have now reported them three times and each time EHDC have promised to look into it and call us back. Nothing has been done, they never call back, and the rubbish is still being dumped. In my experience EHDC is unhelpful, rude and bloody useless.
Reply ID 76487
I'm afraid I don't put food on the brown bin anymore, after I witnessed how they empty the bins! To be efficient, on black bin day, a man comes ahead of the truck and puts the black bins out on the road ready for quick tipping into the truck. He also looks in the bins and transfers by hand any bags from a few half empty bins to make one full one. This is all very sensible as the rubbish in the black bins is tied up in sacks. However on brown bin day, they tried the same trick except everything is loose in the brown bin (garden waste, cardboard, food however well wrapped up). They looked in my half empty brown bin and then tried to tip it into another. Heavier, more coherent bits of food quite happily came tumbling out and shot past the opening of the recipient bin. Result: manky bits of food all over a neighbours front lawn (which I then cleared up)! Nice!
Reply ID 76488
quote:Like you we have very little food waste, although we don't have a dog we do have a visiting fox who is quite useful! and so far been lucky no problems. It would seem they should have made it clearer from the beginning that food waste should go in the black bin one week and brown the next so it is collected weekly. Or stored in a Fridge/ freezer and put out on collection day.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
You all need in-sink erators, waste disposal units. We never put food waste in the bin. It either goes down the plug hole or onto the compost heap, or in the dog!!
Reply ID 76489
It now appears that the source of our maggot problem is our neighbors brown bin. Late at night we have maggots crawling everywhere, up the walls, over the fence and all over the ground, absolutely thousands of them. This is where the system fails, our neighbors never clean their bin, often can't be bothered to put it out for collection and leave rubbish piled up for weeks sometimes months. The refuse dept don't want to know and environmental health refuse to do anything. Roll on winter, at least we'll get a break from the flies, smells and maggots.[V]
Reply ID 76493
quote:OH dear that is a BIG problem, I assume they are not elderly we put our elderly neighbours bins out on the right days for them but if your are just not bothered it is a difficult one to sort my sympathies
Originally posted by Forbes
It now appears that the source of our maggot problem is our neighbors brown bin. Late at night we have maggots crawling everywhere, up the walls, over the fence and all over the ground, absolutely thousands of them. This is where the system fails, our neighbors never clean their bin, often can't be bothered to put it out for collection and leave rubbish piled up for weeks sometimes months. The refuse dept don't want to know and environmental health refuse to do anything. Roll on winter, at least we'll get a break from the flies, smells and maggots.[V]
Reply ID 76500
quote:Have you tried going directly to the Environment Agency?
Originally posted by Forbes
Had the same problem today to a massive degree. Phoned EHDC because the situation was extremely bad and their attitude was "your problem, deal with it". They proceeded to end the phone call with "This conversation has now finished" and put the phone down. Slightly different topic, but for two years now, a rather large property near me has been using adjacent public land to dump their rubbish. It started with them actually using a mechanical digger to dump building waste. The evidence was there for everyone to see, including the caterpillar tracks leading from the piles of rubble to their property. I have now reported them three times and each time EHDC have promised to look into it and call us back. Nothing has been done, they never call back, and the rubbish is still being dumped. In my experience EHDC is unhelpful, rude and bloody useless.
Reply ID 76503
My neighbours black bin was teeming with maggots last week and they made their way into my hallway (the maggots not the neighbours!).
Reply ID 76504
quote:Their not elderly Marilyn, they just seem perfectly happy to live in their own filth [xx(]
OH dear that is a BIG problem, I assume they are not elderly we put our elderly neighbours bins out on the right days for them but if your are just not bothered it is a difficult one to sort my sympathies
quote:No I haven't, thanks, I'll give that a go [:)]
Have you tried going directly to the Environment Agency?
quote:Nasty! We had them all over the outside door mat but thankfully none made it into the house. Had a couple of nights with that psychological itching thing going on, had to keep checking under the duvet, just to make sure [:I]
My neighbours black bin was teeming with maggots last week and they made their way into my hallway (the maggots not the neighbours!).
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