Topic ID 5352
Anyone know whats happened on Bull Plain this morning? Entrance to back of Aqua City etc cordened off
Reply ID 75114
Cordened off? No wonder no one could get down there!
Reply ID 75115
quote:You wanted to visit the back of the shops then?
Originally posted by aubend
Cordened off? No wonder no one could get down there!
Reply ID 75118
quote:Loads of people access the back of he shops.. What's your point?
Originally posted by James007quote:You wanted to visit the back of the shops then?
Originally posted by aubend
Cordened off? No wonder no one could get down there!
Reply ID 75124
Just wondered what had happened, with all the police around, forget I asked!
Reply ID 75133
quote:oh my God you are dim
Originally posted by James007quote:You wanted to visit the back of the shops then?
Originally posted by aubend
Cordened off? No wonder no one could get down there!
Reply ID 75143
[:D] Welcome back aubend!
Reply ID 75225
http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/hertford_sex_attack_allegation_withdrawn_1_469099
Reply ID 75226
quote:Not for the first time
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/hertford_sex_attack_allegation_withdrawn_1_469099
Reply ID 75229
quote:[?] This type of incident or the person withdrawing the allegations?
Originally posted by Stevequote:Not for the first time
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/hertford_sex_attack_allegation_withdrawn_1_469099
Reply ID 75232
quote:I recall an allegation of sexual assault a couple of years ago in the same location where the alleged victim withdrew their complaint. The circumstances were very similar.
Originally posted by Woodyquote:[?] This type of incident or the person withdrawing the allegations?
Originally posted by Stevequote:Not for the first time
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
http://www.herald24.co.uk/news/hertford_sex_attack_allegation_withdrawn_1_469099
Reply ID 75234
Possibly alcohol related? .................do they get a bill for wasting Police time I wonder?
Reply ID 75240
Not fair to assume the person was wasting police time - they might have decided it wasn't worth the hassle especially if they were drinking as it's harder to prosecute.
Reply ID 75241
quote:That's a bit harsh unless you know what happened. What if the 'victim' had been advised that a successful prosecution would be unlikely and decided not to put themselves, and the police, through the hassle.
Originally posted by Marilyn
Possibly alcohol related? .................do they get a bill for wasting Police time I wonder?
Reply ID 75252
Snap!
Reply ID 75253
quote:I think it would reflect very badly on the police if they were seen to be trying to influence victims of crime to withdraw a complaint, especially when that crime is sexual assault.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
That's a bit harsh unless you know what happened. What if the 'victim' had been advised that a successful prosecution would be unlikely and decided not to put themselves, and the police, through the hassle.
Reply ID 75263
quote:I am sure the police give 'advice' and 'guidance' on such matters plus they would not be the only source. The victim could also be advised by their legal representative or even just a friend.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I think it would reflect very badly on the police if they were seen to be trying to influence victims of crime to withdraw a complaint, especially when that crime is sexual assault.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
That's a bit harsh unless you know what happened. What if the 'victim' had been advised that a successful prosecution would be unlikely and decided not to put themselves, and the police, through the hassle.
Reply ID 75266
quote:Withdrawing a complaint is basically saying the alleged crime didn't take place. You can't get someone to withdraw a complaint simply because there's not enough evidence. The crime wouldn't even be recorded in that instance. Are you seriously suggesting that if police haven't got much to go on, they basically say to the victim "we'll never catch them so don't bother reporting it"?
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I am sure the police give 'advice' and 'guidance' on such matters plus they would not be the only source. The victim could also be advised by their legal representative or even just a friend.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I think it would reflect very badly on the police if they were seen to be trying to influence victims of crime to withdraw a complaint, especially when that crime is sexual assault.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
That's a bit harsh unless you know what happened. What if the 'victim' had been advised that a successful prosecution would be unlikely and decided not to put themselves, and the police, through the hassle.
Reply ID 75269
quote:An allegation can be withdrawn for many reasons and not solely because the victim is sayiong that the offence didn't take place. And no I am not saying that the police would say, "we'll never catch them so don't bother reporting it"..........but they might give a realistic view on the likelihood of a conviction. If a victim asks the police of the chances of a conviction then do you really expect the police to tell the viticm that they will get a conviction. No, they will be realistic based upon their experience.
Originally posted by Stevequote:Withdrawing a complaint is basically saying the alleged crime didn't take place. You can't get someone to withdraw a complaint simply because there's not enough evidence. The crime wouldn't even be recorded in that instance. Are you seriously suggesting that if police haven't got much to go on, they basically say to the victim "we'll never catch them so don't bother reporting it"?
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I am sure the police give 'advice' and 'guidance' on such matters plus they would not be the only source. The victim could also be advised by their legal representative or even just a friend.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I think it would reflect very badly on the police if they were seen to be trying to influence victims of crime to withdraw a complaint, especially when that crime is sexual assault.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
That's a bit harsh unless you know what happened. What if the 'victim' had been advised that a successful prosecution would be unlikely and decided not to put themselves, and the police, through the hassle.
Reply ID 75272
quote:Are you serious? Give me an example. Are you saying that if your house is wrecked in a burglary and the police say that they're not going to pursue the case, you'll withdraw the allegation? The CPS determine the likelihood of conviction, not the police. An unreported crime is an unrecorded crime. People don't withdraw allegations just because the police advise there's not enough evidence to pursue a case.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
An allegation can be withdrawn for many reasons and not solely because the victim is sayiong that the offence didn't take place.
Reply ID 75273
Sorry, yes it was a bit harsh in hindsight, ..........thankfully I have never had any experience of such things.
Reply ID 75302
quote:Completely serious and I have to ask the same question of you. And do you really need examples? Here goes then. A victim of crime can withdraw an allegation for a number of reasons: 1) Because they do not wish to end up in court, even if to convict the perpetrator. 2) Because, and especially if it is a sex related crime, that they do not wish to have their own sexual past investigated and possibly exposed in court. 3) Because they get intimidated by the perpetrator or the perpetrator's friends and/or family. 4) Because their own friends and/or family put pressure on them. 5) Because the crime never took place. 6) Because they are advised that the likelihood of a convistion is not high and they weigh that up against the trauma of having to go through the investigation and court case. What do you think the police would say if the victim in a sexual assault case asks them if they think the perpetrator will be convicted? Do you think they would just fob the victim off with a reference to the CPS? And it is not the CPS that makes the first decision regarding whether a case can proceed. It is the police. The police investigate and build the case which is then passed to the CPS. If the police think there is insufficient evidence to proceed to a conviction they will not even pass the case to the CPS. Therefore the police see all cases and the CPS only see those that are referred to them
Originally posted by Stevequote:Are you serious? Give me an example. Are you saying that if your house is wrecked in a burglary and the police say that they're not going to pursue the case, you'll withdraw the allegation? The CPS determine the likelihood of conviction, not the police. An unreported crime is an unrecorded crime. People don't withdraw allegations just because the police advise there's not enough evidence to pursue a case.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
An allegation can be withdrawn for many reasons and not solely because the victim is sayiong that the offence didn't take place.