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Topic ID 530
06/03/2005 by wingnut
School Tables
Sele School again turns in the best results in the 2004 school league tables er wrong school methinks.
Sooner they get rid of these tables the better, if you want a good school visit it, check out the feel, are the kids happy, how do they behave when leaving the school, how welcoming is the head and most importantly what is the ethos..too much emphasis on results when the production of good, literate numerate CITIZENS should be the main aim of all primary and secondary schools,
also with primary schools with a small intake ie one/two form entry results can vary wildly from year to year eg children new to the school, inclusion , children leaving staff turnover etc
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Reply ID 5203
07/03/2005 by Ewoowar
A real can o' worms post Mr Nuts.
Reply ID 5209
07/03/2005 by smileyoriley
why what is wrong with Sele these days? I am interested as an ex-pupil I am constantly reading how much better it is, the positive changes that are made etc etc
Reply ID 5210
07/03/2005 by Steve
The kids don't seem keen on passing 5 or more GCSEs!
Reply ID 5211
07/03/2005 by smileyoriley
is this based on your own personal experience/friends children etc? Isn't it strange? The local press are constantly reporting how good this school is with it's IT facility, and them representing this that & the other.
Reply ID 5214
07/03/2005 by smileyoriley
oh dear! [V]
Reply ID 5222
07/03/2005 by sprocket
Do the 'statistics' tell us what 'grade' the first year intake of pupils to each school was ? and their improvement from that grade ?
IMO the league tables are a complete waste of time in relation to judging a schools overall performance[V]
Reply ID 5223
07/03/2005 by wingnut
more detailed tables have a valued added figure that reflects the baseline intake, however as always the media will only use statistics that suit their own agendas, thus some 'lower' achieving schools may be doing better than schools with a more gifted intake
Reply ID 5224
07/03/2005 by Kate
quote:
Originally posted by wingnut
more detailed tables have a valued added figure that reflects the baseline intake, however as always the media will only use statistics that suit their own agendas, thus some 'lower' achieving schools may be doing better than schools with a more gifted intake
BBC Online run a good database of the tables, which you rank in a number of ways. If it works(!) this link should take you to the table of Hertfordshire schools ranked by Value Added achievement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/education/04/school_tables/secondary_schools/html/919_va_lea.stm
Reply ID 5226
08/03/2005 by smileyoriley
yes I was having a think about this and I'm sure that Sele has a different policy as to which students that accept than schools such as Richard Hale & Simon Balle. If Sele are one of the only schools that will take on 'challenging' students, then surely their results are going to be a lot different?
It doesn't mean that they haven't achieved a huge amount in the process though.
Reply ID 5228
08/03/2005 by Steve
Their *Value Added* score isn't anything to write home about either - only 977 - 56th out of 86 schools and closer to the bottom of the range than the top.
Reply ID 5229
08/03/2005 by smileyoriley
but the scores are going up gradually year by year it seems - it takes a long time for a school that was once not brilliant to get any better
Reply ID 5258
08/03/2005 by sprocket
quote:
Their *Value Added* score isn't anything to write home about either - only 977 - 56th out of 86 schools and closer to the bottom of the range than the top.
It's a darn sight better than using the deceiving GCSE tables where The Sele are 78th out of 86!
Table position out of 86
GCSE ........ Value added
Simon Balle 31 ........ 26
Richard Hale 39 ........ 37
The Sele 78 ........ 56
I think the VA tables should be used as a more realistic benchmark to a schools overall performance!
Reply ID 5275
09/03/2005 by Drama Queen
I feel sorry for all the schools in the UK whatever level that are forced to produce these tables! I pity the kids under the pressure - what would Presdales have done to my ungraded CSE Maths.. probably flogged me and sent me to Daventry! I also think there's more to schools than results, its the citizenship, the respect of pupils/teachers to each other etc, etc.. We all know where we think we'd like to send our kids anyway, tables don't make a jot to us, its the Government trying to say how good it is and being smug.. I don't like smug!
Reply ID 5276
09/03/2005 by Steve
And I thought my Grade 6 CSE Maths was bad!
Reply ID 5281
10/03/2005 by Drama Queen
It takes years of practice to fail so miserably. I found out that when you do exams rather than be marked on what you answer correctly, your paper is then compared to other maths papers and if they do well, your result goes lower.. so I blame to brainy ones for my downfall! It never stopped me working as a Saturday girl in Boots, or in a pub where I had to do the mental arithmatic myself and not use the till.. so there's hope.. Just don't ask me to talk about Matrices!!!!
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