Topic ID 5262
Is it me, or are there less boards stuck in the front gardens of Hertford, promoting the candidates in this election? At the last General Election there seemed to be a fair smattering of them everywhere. Are voters more apathetic because of this year's shananigans in paliament or are people more embarrassed at admitting their allegancies or of being politically active?
Reply ID 74010
The only ones I've seen from Hertford to St Albans are for the Welwyn and Hatfield Conservative candidate all along the fields beside the A414 from the Essendon turnoff to Hatfield Tesco.
Reply ID 74014
There is a good crop in Newgate Street Village but as you say not seen many, if any in and around Hertford.
Reply ID 74017
Maybe because they are a lot more floating voters in this election, perhapas people don't care or they have decided to vote for the B.N.P. party. Would any forum members like to start a thread on who they are voting for in Hertford next Thursday? Arty are you displaying your allegiance at home or in your shop, perhaps you would like to start the thread? lol.
Reply ID 74018
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74024
quote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74025
quote:After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74026
My god - you want to drive from Ware to Much Hadham - it's a Tory fest of big and very hideous bright blue boards everywhere. Totally ruins my scenic drive home [:)]
Reply ID 74027
quote:Spoken like a true Gillian [:D] Vote Tory! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1269787/Mervyn-King-said-public-anger-austerity-cuts-affect-British-politics-generation.html
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Reply ID 74028
quote:Actually this year, I won't be voting Conservative for the first time in some time.
Originally posted by Stevequote:Spoken like a true Gillian [:D] Vote Tory! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1269787/Mervyn-King-said-public-anger-austerity-cuts-affect-British-politics-generation.html
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Reply ID 74029
quote:You must be the only one to have missed out on the bonanza moneyfest of the last few years then?[:D]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74032
quote:funnily enough I've been a bit busy trying to hold onto my job the last couple of years- like everyone else..
Originally posted by shuntquote:You must be the only one to have missed out on the bonanza moneyfest of the last few years then?[:D]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74033
quote:Exactly, "last couple of years". We've had a decade of excess and false security to enjoy before it all went pop. Our local MP has had to do very little and has largely looked to his own political career. We are going to have to ask the next one to sit up and pay attention to what we need. We can see the tiny minority still likely to benefit from a Conservative win. They are identifiable by the vast swathes of prime land on which to place oversized election boards.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:funnily enough I've been a bit busy trying to hold onto my job the last couple of years- like everyone else..
Originally posted by shuntquote:You must be the only one to have missed out on the bonanza moneyfest of the last few years then?[:D]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74034
quote:The fields always vote Conservative!
Originally posted by shunt
We can see the tiny minority still likely to benefit from a Conservative win. They are identifiable by the vast swathes of prime land on which to place oversized election boards.
Reply ID 74035
quote:You should have tried driving along that country road when they were erecting them. They were parked on blind bends on a deristricted country lane. I sat for ages wondering how I could get round them and in the end took a chance, luckily nothing coming the other way. And the people erecting them? they just watched me!
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
My god - you want to drive from Ware to Much Hadham - it's a Tory fest of big and very hideous bright blue boards everywhere. Totally ruins my scenic drive home [:)]
Reply ID 74036
quote:Decades perhaps, but the last 10 years have been the straw that broke the camel's back: Iraq/Afghanistan/swathes of the public sector that are of little to no use/failing to regulate the banks in the good times(when the current PM was chancellor)/failing to check insane mortgage lending, encouraging every man and his dog to get a buy to let/encouraging those capable of working to not work by handing out ludicrious long term benefits/failing and out of control immigration policies/increasing public borrowing to insane levels as a result of failing domestic and foreign policy. I could go on, but unlike most of Labours core demographic, I've been hard at work all week trying to earn a crust. Quite frankly, the country has no real idea how much **** we are in. This recession is not over in practical terms. A very large part of the various problems we are in are as a result of the current Government. Things weren't great in the early 90's by a long chalk, but they are a hell of a lot worse now. The country is being propped up artificially at the moment and the cuts that come in in the next few years are going to hurt a lot, but are much needed. However, if you choose to lay the blame for this at the door of the local MP, then so be it. I am very interested indeed as to how things are going to turn out on a local and national scale.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Exactly, "last couple of years". We've had a decade of excess and false security to enjoy before it all went pop. Our local MP has had to do very little and has largely looked to his own political career. We are going to have to ask the next one to sit up and pay attention to what we need. We can see the tiny minority still likely to benefit from a Conservative win. They are identifiable by the vast swathes of prime land on which to place oversized election boards.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:funnily enough I've been a bit busy trying to hold onto my job the last couple of years- like everyone else..
Originally posted by shuntquote:You must be the only one to have missed out on the bonanza moneyfest of the last few years then?[:D]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:After many years of Labour raping those foolish enough to bother to work, it's not such a bad deal.
Originally posted by shuntquote:A referrence to what you'll be left with in your wallet, if you were to do so, perhaps?
Originally posted by dennismoore
British people have always been too embarrassed to talk about their poitical allegiances and as Arty says, that's even more the case now. There are acouple of big signs on the edge of a field between Waterford and Stapleford which proclaim the ever so slightly contradictory message: Time for Change. Vote Mark Prisk!
Reply ID 74037
Here, here, Exiled_in_Reading. The fan is spinning and the **** is in flight. We are living a slow motion, frame-by-frame action sequence with a silent sound track, of a 30 year long, boozed-up, designer label clad, party-bus ride that has slipped off the road and is heading on it's roof for the bottom of a ditch. And there are plenty of passengers from Hertford on board.
Reply ID 74038
Just seen my first Lib Dem poster............in Byde Street
Reply ID 74039
quote:30 years being the important bit to remember. The latest incarnation of Labour failed miserably to apply the brakes, but they didn't start the bus rolling. It crashed frequently in the 80s and 90s and for exactly the same reasons. the difference then was Thatcher had plenty of British assets to flog off to the US and Europe. The cupboard has been bare since then, Labour just managed to fool everyone that it's not. New Labour's crime was one of long term cowardice, running with the formula just as Thatcher left it, rather than exposing it for the con it always was. Fear of the Conservative voter and being branded as "Old" Labour was what caused that. Socialism and Tory have been dirty words for many years and niether party wants either label. hence they twist and turn to hide their true nature. EIR is right. This is more than a local issue, but it will be decided by local votes, wherever in the country "local" is. Personally, I've seen nothing to give me confidence in those who've shared power since the 50s and guarded the voting system to ensure one or the other wins. Lib Dems get my vote, if for no other reason, because only they offer us the chance to show our dissatisfaction if they get it wrong and they are not naive enough to buy into the daft anti-europe lies of UKIP. Who knows, maybe a LD victory will shake the Labour and Conservative parties out of there arrogant complacency too and we'll get better service all round by the time we hit the polls again. You won't see as many Lib Dem posters as Conservative ones though. They don't have the massive patronage of commercial lobbyists or foriegn press barons.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Here, here, Exiled_in_Reading. The fan is spinning and the **** is in flight. We are living a slow motion, frame-by-frame action sequence with a silent sound track, of a 30 year long, boozed-up, designer label clad, party-bus ride that has slipped off the road and is heading on it's roof for the bottom of a ditch. And there are plenty of passengers from Hertford on board.
Reply ID 74040
Shunt At a risk of torturing the bus ride analogy, we all picked the driver and were we more interested in his ability to drive and choice of destination or his promises of comfy seats, steward service and onboard video? I mean of course, that we all share responsibility for our collective peril. It is too easy to abdicate responsibility for important decisions by marking a cross in a box once every four or five years. We agreed with the driver selection method, we drank the booze of credit or enjoyed the spin off from those who did. If we had really thought for ourselves, we had a choice of whether to get on the bus in the first place.
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So we're agreed then? A political discussion where we all seem to agree? Isn't anyone going to mention Nazis? [:p]
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quote:Indeed that is true, but we do bestow responsibility on our politicians. If every individual was likely to act rationally, unselfishly and for the common good, there would be no need for state. Yes, far too many of us took the bribes from Thatcher and far too many didn't think what it would mean in the long term or where the money was coming from or going to. Yes, when New Labour offered us a chance to continue without facing the consequences, we took that too. We act like a herd. The belief is that, if you are the only person to not be on the bandwagon (busses and now wagons[:D]), you will be the only one to fall behind and there is some truth in that. Even those who saw this coming in the policies of the early eighties and protested on the street, bought and sold their Gas and BT shares when the time came. What were we to do? Our collective property was being sold off abroad to further the Conservative government's grip on power. The choice was to accept a pitence for it or get nothing. Not everbody missed that what was being sold to us was already our property. The vast majority will blame someone else for everything, the politicians, the imigrants, the poor, the wealthy, Europe..... Ultimately, the only people we actually charge with the task of controlling human excess and greed are the politicians we elect. They are, in a sense, employed to be our better judgement. Unless we can sack them, even (or especially)if they have the backing of foreign interests more powerful than ourselves, we will never really have control of our national destiny. Yes, it has to be collective and it will never be perfect, but it should also be us who decides. Staying in power by deserving the trust of the electorate is key to forming a country run by it's politics, not by the wealth of worldwide lobbyists. I would remind everyone that you don't win a prize if you vote for the party who ultimately wins. Vote as you believe, as your intellect tells you, or you do yourself and the country no service.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Shunt At a risk of torturing the bus ride analogy, we all picked the driver and were we more interested in his ability to drive and choice of destination or his promises of comfy seats, steward service and onboard video? I mean of course, that we all share responsibility for our collective peril. It is too easy to abdicate responsibility for important decisions by marking a cross in a box once every four or five years. We agreed with the driver selection method, we drank the booze of credit or enjoyed the spin off from those who did. If we had really thought for ourselves, we had a choice of whether to get on the bus in the first place.
Reply ID 74044
quote:That's a speech that Churchill would have been proud of. [:)]
Originally posted by shuntquote:Indeed that is true, but we do bestow responsibility on our politicians. If every individual was likely to act rationally, unselfishly and for the common good, there would be no need for state. Yes, far too many of us took the bribes from Thatcher and far too many didn't think what it would mean in the long term or where the money was coming from or going to. Yes, when New Labour offered us a chance to continue without facing the consequences, we took that too. We act like a herd. The belief is that, if you are the only person to not be on the bandwagon (busses and now wagons[:D]), you will be the only one to fall behind and there is some truth in that. Even those who saw this coming in the policies of the early eighties and protested on the street, bought and sold their Gas and BT shares when the time came. What were we to do? Our collective property was being sold off abroad to further the Conservative government's grip on power. The choice was to accept a pitence for it or get nothing. Not everbody missed that what was being sold to us was already our property. The vast majority will blame someone else for everything, the politicians, the imigrants, the poor, the wealthy, Europe..... Ultimately, the only people we actually charge with the task of controlling human excess and greed are the politicians we elect. They are, in a sense, employed to be our better judgement. Unless we can sack them, even (or especially)if they have the backing of foreign interests more powerful than ourselves, we will never really have control of our national destiny. Yes, it has to be collective and it will never be perfect, but it should also be us who decides. Staying in power by deserving the trust of the electorate is key to forming a country run by it's politics, not by the wealth of worldwide lobbyists. I would remind everyone that you don't win a prize if you vote for the party who ultimately wins. Vote as you believe, as your intellect tells you, or you do yourself and the country no service.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Shunt At a risk of torturing the bus ride analogy, we all picked the driver and were we more interested in his ability to drive and choice of destination or his promises of comfy seats, steward service and onboard video? I mean of course, that we all share responsibility for our collective peril. It is too easy to abdicate responsibility for important decisions by marking a cross in a box once every four or five years. We agreed with the driver selection method, we drank the booze of credit or enjoyed the spin off from those who did. If we had really thought for ourselves, we had a choice of whether to get on the bus in the first place.
Reply ID 74045
quote:Yeah it does sound a bit pompous in hindsight.[:I] I've heard so many say over the years "I wanted to vote for (X), but I didn't think they would win". [;)]
Originally posted by James007quote:That's a speech that Churchill would have been proud of. [:)]
Originally posted by shuntquote:Indeed that is true, but we do bestow responsibility on our politicians. If every individual was likely to act rationally, unselfishly and for the common good, there would be no need for state. Yes, far too many of us took the bribes from Thatcher and far too many didn't think what it would mean in the long term or where the money was coming from or going to. Yes, when New Labour offered us a chance to continue without facing the consequences, we took that too. We act like a herd. The belief is that, if you are the only person to not be on the bandwagon (busses and now wagons[:D]), you will be the only one to fall behind and there is some truth in that. Even those who saw this coming in the policies of the early eighties and protested on the street, bought and sold their Gas and BT shares when the time came. What were we to do? Our collective property was being sold off abroad to further the Conservative government's grip on power. The choice was to accept a pitence for it or get nothing. Not everbody missed that what was being sold to us was already our property. The vast majority will blame someone else for everything, the politicians, the imigrants, the poor, the wealthy, Europe..... Ultimately, the only people we actually charge with the task of controlling human excess and greed are the politicians we elect. They are, in a sense, employed to be our better judgement. Unless we can sack them, even (or especially)if they have the backing of foreign interests more powerful than ourselves, we will never really have control of our national destiny. Yes, it has to be collective and it will never be perfect, but it should also be us who decides. Staying in power by deserving the trust of the electorate is key to forming a country run by it's politics, not by the wealth of worldwide lobbyists. I would remind everyone that you don't win a prize if you vote for the party who ultimately wins. Vote as you believe, as your intellect tells you, or you do yourself and the country no service.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Shunt At a risk of torturing the bus ride analogy, we all picked the driver and were we more interested in his ability to drive and choice of destination or his promises of comfy seats, steward service and onboard video? I mean of course, that we all share responsibility for our collective peril. It is too easy to abdicate responsibility for important decisions by marking a cross in a box once every four or five years. We agreed with the driver selection method, we drank the booze of credit or enjoyed the spin off from those who did. If we had really thought for ourselves, we had a choice of whether to get on the bus in the first place.
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Reply ID 74073
quote:I've seen one in Port Vale.
Originally posted by Marilyn
Just seen my first Lib Dem poster............in Byde Street
Reply ID 74081
The only wasted vote is a vote for the status quo. Vote Independent! (sorry for repetition) Party politics needs Independents to work along side it.
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