Topic ID 4639
my child has come home from school with homework to find out where Hertford's first stables were and i have searched the web but to no avail.... any ideas where i might look or does anyone know the answer?? thank you Mrs ni-lad
Reply ID 66585
You're doing your children's homework for them?
Reply ID 66586
nope just looking for a pointer
Reply ID 66587
When you say "Hertford's first stables", what do you mean exactly? The horse was a primary means of transport for hundreds of years and there must have been stables all over the place surely?
Reply ID 66590
now you can see my predicament his tutor asked "does anyone know where Hertford's original stables were or are?" that is all he has will send him back to ask more
Reply ID 66591
I doubt whether there is any such thing as "Hertford's original stables". I'm sure there would have been stabling at The Castle when it was a royal palace and many an inn too. I hope he's not referring to the Green Dragon Hotel, because I don't see any way it can be referred to as "Hertford's first/original stables". [img]../images/forum/green-dragon-stabling.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 66595
I sympathise. I had a child arrive home having been instructed to ask family members, "Do you believe in Jesus Christ?". I called the school and informed them that he could not complete his homework without being provided with a properly phrased question, which had an answer. I agree with Steve. The chances of accurately identifying "first", without a qualification (commercial, public, etc.) is impossible. How do we know when the first horse in Hertford was kept indoors? It is unlikely to be documented.
Reply ID 66601
The Shire House, now Shire Hall (Court House), the first stable building in the heart of the town.
Reply ID 66603
ty all so much i will give him these responses and let you know of the outcome mrs ni-lad
Reply ID 66607
I suspect there would have been stabling in the vicinity of St Leonards Church , as that is Hertfords oldest building that would probably be where the very first stables were!
Reply ID 66610
What a ridiculous question for homework. What if those arriving for the first Synod in the 7th century had horses.
Reply ID 66615
Out of interest what age of children are we talking about here?
Reply ID 66617
what age ''teachers'' are we talking about more to the point!!
Reply ID 66621
I think possibly that the well meaning teacher threw out a homework question – without realising that the parent/s of such child would actually investigate to the depth that is being posted about here. Unless of course, the child in question is doing an in-depth history of Hertford. In which case, I would imagine that a lot of spade work would be necessary to find out the actual location of the first stable in Hertford. As someone else said – horses were the only form of transport many years ago, and most folk would have a stable in their outbuildings. Maybe they were referring to the first Livery Yard..(where one could/can hire horses & carriages and also have horses stabled for a charge) which is different to just a stable. Once again, this would prove to be difficult to pin-point as most inns in those days, would have this service. Many things my grandchildren come home and ask about are rather questionable at times. so – I think it maybe wise to assume that sometimes well meaning teachers put out questions - without too much thought about it. (no, I am not criticising teachers here!) For instance, yesterday, My little 7 year old came home and said casually, “tomorrow, “we are having a multi-cultural day and we will be talking about the 2nd world war. So, have you got any information on the 2nd world War.. – I need it for the morning class.” Just like that – a simple statement thrown into the mix – leaving the parent with a thought-provoking dilemma… as to how much info and to what depth! Can anyone here, realistically sum up the entire Second World War in a few brief paragraphs and – in a language that an 7 year old would have a complete understanding of? *J*[;)]
Reply ID 66625
quote:St Leonards Church is only Hertford's oldest surviving building. There were clearly earlier buildings in the Late Saxon Burhs either side of the Lea. Archaeological excavation before the building of the Riviere revealed evidence of early Middle Saxon building there. There is also evidence of Roman occupation in the Mill Bridge/St Andrew Street area. The first stables could have been anywhere and I agree with other posters that this really is quite a strange question to be asking schoolchildren
Originally posted by Marilyn
I suspect there would have been stabling in the vicinity of St Leonards Church , as that is Hertfords oldest building that would probably be where the very first stables were!
Reply ID 66626
quote:I was aware of the Saxon hall in Mill Road but all the books I've read on Hertford's history have been clear that nothing of Roman origin has ever been found in town, other than the corn drier at Foxholes. Are these finds new?
Originally posted by Aelle
Archaeological excavation before the building of the Riviere revealed evidence of early Middle Saxon building there. There is also evidence of Roman occupation in the Mill Bridge/St Andrew Street area.
Reply ID 66630
quote:An archaeological evaluation in 1990 by Hertfordshire Archaeological Trust revealed the Roman material. It is included in an unpublished report: Cooper-Reade, H, (1990) '54 St. Andrew Street; an archaeological evaluation', Hertfordshire Archaeological Trust Report No. 28 The findings are further discussed in the following publication: Hillelson, D, (1991) 'Recent Archaeology in East Herts', East Herts Archaeology Society Newsletter 13, 10-11 Although slight the evidence points to some type of occupation, probably adjacent to a river crossing.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I was aware of the Saxon hall in Mill Road but all the books I've read on Hertford's history have been clear that nothing of Roman origin has ever been found in town, other than the corn drier at Foxholes. Are these finds new?
Originally posted by Aelle
Archaeological excavation before the building of the Riviere revealed evidence of early Middle Saxon building there. There is also evidence of Roman occupation in the Mill Bridge/St Andrew Street area.
Reply ID 66631
Interesting. Thanks [:)]
Reply ID 66632
quote:I believe evidence of Romano British activity/occupation was found when the houses were built on the bank of the river opposite The Woolpack.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I was aware of the Saxon hall in Mill Road but all the books I've read on Hertford's history have been clear that nothing of Roman origin has ever been found in town, other than the corn drier at Foxholes. Are these finds new?
Originally posted by Aelle
Archaeological excavation before the building of the Riviere revealed evidence of early Middle Saxon building there. There is also evidence of Roman occupation in the Mill Bridge/St Andrew Street area.
Reply ID 66635
Sorry yes I ment surviving my point was how far back do you go, when was the first horse spotted in Hertford before or after the HART was drinking at the FORD ?
Reply ID 66639
quote:I think there is also the track that ran between Verulamium and Ware (I don't know the name for the Roman settlement in Ware). I believe this crossed the Lea near Hertford Football Club and then can be traced as the alleyway behind the houses in West Street. So further occupation is feasible.
Originally posted by Aellequote:An archaeological evaluation in 1990 by Hertfordshire Archaeological Trust revealed the Roman material. It is included in an unpublished report: Cooper-Reade, H, (1990) '54 St. Andrew Street; an archaeological evaluation', Hertfordshire Archaeological Trust Report No. 28 The findings are further discussed in the following publication: Hillelson, D, (1991) 'Recent Archaeology in East Herts', East Herts Archaeology Society Newsletter 13, 10-11 Although slight the evidence points to some type of occupation, probably adjacent to a river crossing.
Originally posted by Stevequote:I was aware of the Saxon hall in Mill Road but all the books I've read on Hertford's history have been clear that nothing of Roman origin has ever been found in town, other than the corn drier at Foxholes. Are these finds new?
Originally posted by Aelle
Archaeological excavation before the building of the Riviere revealed evidence of early Middle Saxon building there. There is also evidence of Roman occupation in the Mill Bridge/St Andrew Street area.
Reply ID 66651
quote:Err... I was unfortunate to flick through The Sun on Thursday. Most unwisely they attempted to do just this...[V] Sorry Admin off topic...
Originally posted by Jaycee
Can anyone here, realistically sum up the entire Second World War in a few brief paragraphs and – in a language that an 7 year old would have a complete understanding of? *J*[;)]
Reply ID 66652
quote:[:D][:D][:D]
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:Err... I was unfortunate to flick through The Sun on Thursday. Most unwisely they attempted to do just this...[V] Sorry Admin off topic...
Originally posted by Jaycee
Can anyone here, realistically sum up the entire Second World War in a few brief paragraphs and – in a language that an 7 year old would have a complete understanding of? *J*[;)]
Reply ID 66852
quote:Yep, Without causing any offence here... The German's started it, the French were push overs, Then the Germans encountered a small problem called the English Channel! So as they tried to find a way of breaking British resolve, the Americans got involved... The British and Americans thought of an idea quicker than the Germans and sailed across the channel, pushing the Germans back to where they started whilst liberating France! Oh... And the Americans claimed that they won the war! (Well according to all the films that have been made since!!) Your son/daughter will get a gold star for that! [;)]
Originally posted by Jaycee
Can anyone here, realistically sum up the entire Second World War in a few brief paragraphs and – in a language that an 7 year old would have a complete understanding of? *J*[;)]
Reply ID 66856
Firedup - nice start but the Russians and Japanese need a mention somewhere! Does a seven year old really need to know about the second world war?
Reply ID 66857
quote:"History" is written by the victorious.[;)] Definately a gold star.....if the teacher is Pub Landlord.[:D]
Originally posted by Firedupinsidequote:Yep, Without causing any offence here... The German's started it, the French were push overs, Then the Germans encountered a small problem called the English Channel! So as they tried to find a way of breaking British resolve, the Americans got involved... The British and Americans thought of an idea quicker than the Germans and sailed across the channel, pushing the Germans back to where they started whilst liberating France! Oh... And the Americans claimed that they won the war! (Well according to all the films that have been made since!!) Your son/daughter will get a gold star for that! [;)]
Originally posted by Jaycee
Can anyone here, realistically sum up the entire Second World War in a few brief paragraphs and – in a language that an 7 year old would have a complete understanding of? *J*[;)]
Reply ID 67108
So what was the correct answer according to the tutor?
Reply ID 67185
Yes I've been wondering too.