Topic ID 4631
I see Steven Oates have take over the sponsorship of the Hertingfordbury roundabout. Hertfords leading Estate Agent. Any chance of an apostrophe? Or am I evolving into a Grumpy old man? Is it important?
Reply ID 66488
I now have an image of a pack of Hertfords dragging an estate agent round the roundabout. Do Hertfords bite?
Reply ID 66492
You are not a grumpy old man, you are quite right to insist on the missing apostrophe. No doubt the missing one will pop up in another place where it isn't needed. It would be bad enough for the company to ask for the sign, but even worse that the sign was made like that. Still, if the sign went back for an amendment, it may come back with Steven Oate's.
Reply ID 66493
by what definition is Steven Oates 'leading' anyway?
Reply ID 66498
quote:Steven Oates is a company name. Therefore your post should have been quoted in the singular using the word 'has' instead of 'have'. You should have also included the letter 'n' at the end of the word take; I see Steven Oates have take over the sponsorship of the Hertingfordbury roundabout
Originally posted by Arty
I see Steven Oates have take over the sponsorship of the Hertingfordbury roundabout. Hertfords leading Estate Agent. Any chance of an apostrophe? Or am I evolving into a Grumpy old man? Is it important?
Reply ID 66502
[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6110159/Councils-issue-crib-sheets-to-prevent-grammatical-howlers-on-signs.html"]Councils issue crib sheets to prevent grammatical howlers on signs[/url] (Daily Telegraph) Council staff are being issued with an "idiot's guide" on how to use apostrophes and other punctuation marks correctly in a bid to stem their misuse in street signs and official notices. This obviously hasn't reached EHDC yet!
quote:Having seen the sign a few days ago I found myself asking the same question. Given the disrepute associated with the name I am always surprised the agency continue to use it.
Originally posted by Millie
by what definition is Steven Oates 'leading' anyway?
Reply ID 66504
You might like to read this similar debate on another forum! http://forum.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11181 when they replaced the sign's in St Andrew Street many years ago it said St Andrews Street, they took them down , cut off the extra "S" and put them back, the join can still be seen, These days they probably wouldn't bother...............
Reply ID 66505
quote:Quite right, James007. Apologies - typo. Shouldn't do things in a hurry!
Originally posted by James007quote:Steven Oates is a company name. Therefore your post should have been quoted in the singular using the word 'has' instead of 'have'. You should have also included the letter 'n' at the end of the word take; I see Steven Oates have take over the sponsorship of the Hertingfordbury roundabout
Originally posted by Arty
I see Steven Oates have take over the sponsorship of the Hertingfordbury roundabout. Hertfords leading Estate Agent. Any chance of an apostrophe? Or am I evolving into a Grumpy old man? Is it important?
Reply ID 66507
quote:I've found it!
Originally posted by Marilyn
when they replaced the sign's in St Andrew Street
Reply ID 66512
quote:[:)]
Originally posted by Marilyn
You might like to read this similar debate on another forum! http://forum.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11181 when they replaced the sign's in St Andrew Street many years ago it said St Andrews Street, they took them down , cut off the extra "S" and put them back, the join can still be seen, These days they probably wouldn't bother...............
Reply ID 66513
quote:Well you might have corrected it for me, I normally never use them as I don't know where they go..............English was my worst subject at school. So should it be signs or signs'
Originally posted by James007quote:[:)]
Originally posted by Marilyn
You might like to read this similar debate on another forum! http://forum.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11181 when they replaced the sign's in St Andrew Street many years ago it said St Andrews Street, they took them down , cut off the extra "S" and put them back, the join can still be seen, These days they probably wouldn't bother...............
Reply ID 66514
quote:Plurals NEVER have apostrophes. An apostrophe is used either to indicate missing letters or possession of something: Let's look at Michael's photos
Originally posted by Marilyn
So should it be signs or signs'
Reply ID 66519
quote:Wrongy, wrongy. Three pizzas delivered to the Jones' beautifully linked family houses at 132-134 Foxholes Drive, Hertford were found to be the coldest pizza ever delivered to their homes. Also, "The Virgin Islands' treasures, all to explore" [:)]
Originally posted by Stevequote:Plurals NEVER have apostrophes. An apostrophe is used either to indicate missing letters or possession of something: Let's look at Michael's photos
Originally posted by Marilyn
So should it be signs or signs'
Reply ID 66520
Both examples of possession James [:)] Anyway, this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes. There are plenty of places on the internet where you can find out about their usage. My explanation was deliberately brief. http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/
Reply ID 66522
Both are plurals Steve.
Reply ID 66535
quote:What a coincidence, Marilyn, I posted in that thread, too! [:)] We must frequent the same forums - or is that fora [;)]
Originally posted by Marilyn
You might like to read this similar debate on another forum! http://forum.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=11181
Reply ID 66536
quote:Just thinking, shouldn't that be "idiots' guide" unless it was produced for just one idiot?
Originally posted by Steve
[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6110159/Councils-issue-crib-sheets-to-prevent-grammatical-howlers-on-signs.html"]Councils issue crib sheets to prevent grammatical howlers on signs[/url] (Daily Telegraph) Council staff are being issued with an "idiot's guide"...
Reply ID 66543
It should just say "an idiot guide".
Reply ID 66957
quote:I don't see how a thread entitled, "The case of the Missing Apostrophe?" is not the place to be discussing the use of apostrophes. I must say I am in total agreement with your post's in response to James007 [:)]
Originally posted by Steve ...this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes...
Reply ID 66965
quote:Yum yum!! Any more? [8D]
Originally posted by homelessquote:I don't see how a thread entitled, "The case of the Missing Apostrophe?" is not the place to be discussing the use of apostrophes. I must say I am in total agreement with your post's in response to James007 [:)]
Originally posted by Steve ...this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes...
Reply ID 66986
quote:Yay! - You win the prize's!
Originally posted by James007quote:Yum yum!! Any more? [8D]
Originally posted by homelessquote:I don't see how a thread entitled, "The case of the Missing Apostrophe?" is not the place to be discussing the use of apostrophes. I must say I am in total agreement with your post's in response to James007 [:)]
Originally posted by Steve ...this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes...
Reply ID 66990
quote:Aww shucks, thank you, I'm glad we found it. To be fair, and giving some support to whoever names any street with a saint involved, there might be more than one saint that the street or place is named after; St Andrew, St Leonard etc There is no excuse for the mistake from the original post though. [8D]
Originally posted by homelessquote:Yay! - You win the prize's!
Originally posted by James007quote:Yum yum!! Any more? [8D]
Originally posted by homelessquote:I don't see how a thread entitled, "The case of the Missing Apostrophe?" is not the place to be discussing the use of apostrophes. I must say I am in total agreement with your post's in response to James007 [:)]
Originally posted by Steve ...this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes...
Reply ID 66991
I'm tempted to take a wander Hertingfordbury way with a marker pen or black gaffer tape
Reply ID 67098
quote:Hmmm.
Originally posted by Steve
I'm tempted to take a wander Hertingfordbury way with a marker pen or black gaffer tape
Reply ID 67145
I'm thinking of getting some stick on Os/blanks and going round all the pubs who offer "A Panini" or "Paninis"
Reply ID 68852
I see the new facia on The Master's House Hotel is missing something...
Reply ID 68861
quote:As is your fascia [:D]
Originally posted by Arty
I see the new facia on The Master's House Hotel is missing something...
Reply ID 68863
quote:mmm..people in glasshouses shouldn't throw...
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:As is your fascia [:D]
Originally posted by Arty
I see the new facia on The Master's House Hotel is missing something...
Reply ID 68864
Arty (and others) I think your example could test a few of the grammar experts on here? Firstly was the house just for the one master or masters, secondly does the hotel belong to the hotel or the master/s? I don't think this one is that simple or am I getting apostrophe paranoia?
Reply ID 68865
I don't think they're suffering from confusion on the website: http://www.mastershouse.co.uk
Reply ID 68866
I believe that the property was once the home of the Master at Richard Hale (Hertford Grammar School). Therefore, the website is right.
Reply ID 68867
quote:And the school was at the end of the garden (until Gascoyne Way ploughed through it).
Originally posted by James007
I believe that the property was once the home of the Master at Richard Hale (Hertford Grammar School). Therefore, the website is right.
Reply ID 72298
quote:I don't see how a thread entitled, "The case of the Missing Apostrophe?" is not the place to be discussing the use of apostrophes. I must say I am in total agreement with your post's in response to James007 [:)] [/quote] Yum yum!! Any more? [8D] [/quote] James007, you must be psychic... Last year you accurately predicted the name of the new cafe at Old Cross (even though it was still Wiggintons) but also the missing punctuation is there, too, on the window: Speciality tea's Speciality coffee's [:)]
Originally posted by James007
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by homeless
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve ...this is probably not the place to be discussing correct use of apostrophes...
Reply ID 72299
quote:Missing? Superfluous, surely? [;)]
Originally posted by Arty
Last year you accurately predicted the name of the new cafe at Old Cross (even though it was still Wiggintons) but also the missing punctuation is there, too, on the window: Speciality tea's Speciality coffee's [:)]
Reply ID 72303
quote:Missing from Hertfords leading Estate Agent, Superfluous on Yum Yum's window...
Originally posted by newcomerquote:Missing? Superfluous, surely? [;)]
Originally posted by Arty
Last year you accurately predicted the name of the new cafe at Old Cross (even though it was still Wiggintons) but also the missing punctuation is there, too, on the window: Speciality tea's Speciality coffee's [:)]
Reply ID 80331
A couple more have turned up at the Hertford House café, where they are advertising tea's and coffee's. I'm not sure who does their design and print but it's not exactly an advertisement (the café manager is not English so was unaware there was a mistake on the poster).
Reply ID 90455
And another [img]../images/forum/vip-studios.jpg[/img] On their Facebook page they've posted: **NEW OPPERTUNATIES** in our second store in hertford town centre!! we are looking for compitent hair stylists... [:0]
Reply ID 90459
Pity they don't have a competent wordsmith!
Reply ID 90460
quote:[V] Apart from the awful basic spelling and grammar, where is their first shop in Hertford town centre?
Originally posted by Steve
And another [img]../images/forum/vip-studios.jpg[/img] On their Facebook page they've posted: **NEW OPPERTUNATIES** in our second store in hertford town centre!! we are looking for compitent hair stylists... [:0]
Reply ID 90465
Looks like next to Cafe Nero
Reply ID 90471
I'm glad I took the photo as all the apostrophes have now disappeared!
Reply ID 90473
What about the telltale spacing? It boggles the mind that people still make such basic mistakes on shop signs.
Reply ID 90482
quote:Oddly enough there aren't any telltale spaces. There are four signs in all - above the shop, to the right of the window display, and at first floor level above the entrances to Nero's. All had the apostrophes and all have been corrected without any evidence of them having ever been wrong.
Originally posted by steven
What about the telltale spacing? It boggles the mind that people still make such basic mistakes on shop signs.
Reply ID 90483
Is it VIP two or squared? [:)]
Reply ID 90484
And what are flossy shoes ?
Reply ID 90485
quote:We walked past on our way home from the Barge tonight. All the signs have indeed been changed, but I noticed the letters aren't actually painted, they are stickers and the one above the shop itself has just been moved. The smaller signs have just had the apostrophes removed and the gap is apparent if you know it's there. Now that I've written that I feel quite sad for actually looking.
Originally posted by Steve
Oddly enough there aren't any telltale spaces. There are four signs in all - above the shop, to the right of the window display, and at first floor level above the entrances to Nero's. All had the apostrophes and all have been corrected without any evidence of them having ever been wrong.
Reply ID 90487
They both happen to be in the plural but the apostrophes have nothing to do with their being plural. The 's' at the end does that. Steve's right. The apostrophes indicate possession. Otherwise, they're used for abbreviations as in this sentence.
Reply ID 90488
quote:dental footware?[:)] ps good to see this thread still running! sad, eh?
Originally posted by publandlord
And what are flossy shoes ?
Reply ID 90489
quote:http://www.flossy-shoes.co.uk/
Originally posted by publandlord
And what are flossy shoes ?
Reply ID 90492
Shoes that smell of strawberries!!!!! l've heard it all now!
Reply ID 90496
I'll stick with my shoes that smell of gorgonzola
Reply ID 90498
I suppose it would be fairly undiplomatic to point out that a feature on the Food Festival currently appearing on home page of this web site is also missing an ....... ...apologies, Admin!
Reply ID 90502
quote:Unless it's the possessive 'its' as in, 'Coffee at its best'. I've been fighting a losing battle with Steve for years over the possessive its. If it's not short for 'it is' or 'it has', it's got no apostrophe in its correct form. I'm having that last sentence tattooed on Admin's forehead [;)] Actually, I don't really mind as my spelling is appalling and I think blogs and forums are not the place to expect perfect punctuation. I think signs, adverts and other public notices should get it right, though. Don't get me started on Sainsbury's...[:)]
Originally posted by kevsaunders
Steve's right. The apostrophes indicate possession.
Reply ID 90506
quote:...and as if by magic[:)]it appears!
Originally posted by Arty
I suppose it would be fairly undiplomatic to point out that a feature on the Food Festival currently appearing on home page of this web site is also missing an ....... ...apologies, Admin!