Topic ID 4591
Apparently there has been a series of break-ins on the Foxholes estate recently. Had a leaflet through the door from Herts Police but the person on the other end of the phone didn't know much about it! Haven't seen any extra patrols in the area and been home all week! Anyone know any more?
Reply ID 65861
I think you'll find they were attempted break-ins http://www.hertford.net/blog/#burglary_warning
Reply ID 65876
There was a break in in Stoat Close 2 days ago between 11pm-3am, a few houses away from me, they stole a car and a few things (IPOD if I remember correctly), also some house was burgled in Jasmine Drive yesterday as far as I know? or it may have been a few nights ago.
Reply ID 65881
Surely a crime pattern like this would be a priority for Hertford Police? Where are the visible patrols / ANPR readers? Wasn't there a PCSO who used to post on here and answer such concerns????
Reply ID 65887
They're probably on their holidays or too busy in Tescos Ware Road stocking up with sandwiches (which is the ONLY place I ever see PCSOs!). Attempted break-ins are very frightening I have been a victim myself and you worry more about who is watching you and when and if they're going to come back... horrible I hope the Herts Plod are onto it and not too busy working on the questionnaires that ask us if we feel safe in Hertfordshire!
Reply ID 65892
I think you are being extremely unfair DQ. The Town Centre PCSO's are out and about all the time. Ask any shopkeeper in the town centre; especially those with a Town Watch radio. More especially next time you are in Tesco take a moment to ask their security team what they think about the PCSO's and the job they do in town. And if you really need convincing ring up the Police Community Team and ask to go out with the PCSO's for a day. They still run these schemes for members of the public. However neither they nor you are not equipped with the battery of personal safety equipment that a regular PC carries; so when you are confronted by one of Hertford's Merry Men just remember all you have to hide behind is your Blue Peter badge and a sense of community pride. And if you really need convincing about the role the community police do ask if you can go out on a night shift, preferably a Friday or Saturday. You are supplied with stab vest and a car. There are several people in Hertford who have done this - to his credit one of our previous Mayors Cllr Radford. If you see him ask him what he thinks.
Reply ID 65897
Sorry, just been into the town and guess what.. two lady PCSO's coming out of our lovely Waitrose with bags.. feel smug right now! I said I only ever see them in Tesco, now I need to amend to another rival supermarket too. Sorry, I am in the wrong place at the wrong time and spot them when perhaps I shouldn't.... I would prefer real Policemen myself who have the ability to really deal with Hertfords' finest but politics gets in the way of these things.. Lets hope the CCTV cameras set up a) work and b) the perpetrators don't go to another part of the estate not covered by these...
Reply ID 65900
quote:The answer to this is quite simple. Finance. As I know only too well. There are not many people who would disagree with your sentiments. If its any consolation many of our regular faces are turning up in other East Herts and North Herts towns and they tell the authorities quite openly that they are fed up with Hertford because they keep getting caught. Do not start talking about the magistrates courts - please!! We all know.
I would prefer real Policemen myself who have the ability to really deal with Hertfords' finest but politics gets in the way of these things.. Lets hope the CCTV cameras set up a) work and b) the perpetrators don't go to another part of the estate not covered by these...
Reply ID 65911
police helicopter over foxholes at the moment!
Reply ID 65914
quote:Blimey, a very quick response to my post! thanks Herts lol [8D]
Originally posted by Thoreau
Police cameras just gone up at both entrances to Vixen Drive
Reply ID 65929
Sigh, how do you think it's a good idea to put on a public forum that the police have put cameras up? for all you know, people involved with the burglaries could read this and now know about the cameras being there? Also word will now get spread around about the cameras being there, 1 friend will tell another friend, then another friend, and it will be public knowledge, bloody annoying. If they didnt know about the cameras being there, when they next do a burglary, police can track the number plates of people driving in and out of vixen drive around that time, but bloody unlikely now. Can the admin remove the posts mentioning it? Sorry if it seems like I am over reacting but I was burgled a few years ago, and I was really pleased to hear the news about the cameras going up but now I see already people are telling all and sundry about them, brlliant.
Reply ID 65931
Well, perhaps as the core definitions of policing are the PREVENTION and detection of crime (in that order) would help you to understand! Would you like some of your neighbours ( and perhaps yourself) to be burgled with very little chance of the offenders being apprehended,or to deter prospective offenders in the first place?
Reply ID 65932
Eh? burglars arnt stupid, if someone on here spotted the cameras, then they will too! I imagine they are pretty obvious!
Reply ID 65933
Agreed Buzz. This is an overt response with the aim of prevention. If the Police intended to use covert cameras, you wouldn't see them going up!... or know about them! Therefore one friend telling another and another is exactly the response the Police want.
Reply ID 65934
quote:You've completely misunderstood what I have written.
Originally posted by buzz
Well, perhaps as the core definitions of policing are the PREVENTION and detection of crime (in that order) would help you to understand! Would you like some of your neighbours ( and perhaps yourself) to be burgled with very little chance of the offenders being apprehended,or to deter prospective offenders in the first place?
Reply ID 65936
quote:Assuming the car's not nicked too
Originally posted by simcut If they didnt know about the cameras being there, when they next do a burglary, police can track the number plates of people driving in and out of vixen drive around that time, but bloody unlikely now.
Reply ID 65938
quote:It is my personal viewpoint, that for the purpose of comitting crime, criminals use stolen vehicles and those which are unregistered. Therefore the effectiveness of ANPR cameras for the purpose of identifying offenders are more likely to be succesful if there was a system in place for stopping a particular vehicle at the time of activation with the occupants still inside. ie a dedicated police vehicle in position to do this. You have asked admin to remove posts which advertise the presence of Cameras. Although well intended, the suggestion is that your post may be misguided as these cameras are placed overtly, along with the "burglars beware" posters, as a means of deterrent/lip service [:X]. Therefore publicity on a forum such as this would be a response the police may be looking for????? [:)]
Originally posted by simcutquote:You've completely misunderstood what I have written.
Originally posted by buzz
Well, perhaps as the core definitions of policing are the PREVENTION and detection of crime (in that order) would help you to understand! Would you like some of your neighbours ( and perhaps yourself) to be burgled with very little chance of the offenders being apprehended,or to deter prospective offenders in the first place?
Reply ID 65942
Sorry about my post but I was peeved off, bloody well paranoid now as a burglary happened in my road :/ Im not questioning the purpose of the cameras but in my opinion it would work better if only the police knew about them, because if word spreads the burglars will just move on to another estate.
Reply ID 65943
You are right. It is unfortunate that "prevention" is in fact, often a hidden word for displacement. Especially with a crime such as burglary. However the "figures" will look good on some report somewhere whereby burglary crime has dropped by such and such a percentage in Hertford as a result of a police operation. It will not however mention they have risen in say St Albans as an example. The best thing to do is to get a working burglar alarm fitted. Unless after something specific, a burglar will not tackle a property with an alarm when another nearby does not have one. I would suspect that authority levels for covert cameras would be difficult to obtain due to the risk of collateral intrusion. Burglary, unfortunately probably isnt a serious enough crime...maybe?
Reply ID 65947
quote:Exactly how have I misunderstood? I thought my comment was in plain English, and understandable by most people
Originally posted by simcutquote:You've completely misunderstood what I have written.
Originally posted by buzz
Well, perhaps as the core definitions of policing are the PREVENTION and detection of crime (in that order) would help you to understand! Would you like some of your neighbours ( and perhaps yourself) to be burgled with very little chance of the offenders being apprehended,or to deter prospective offenders in the first place?
Reply ID 65953
all I know is when I lived in Badgers Close a couple of years ago I heard what sounded like an attempted break in a few doors along so called the police and they arrived at warp speed (3 cars) and caught the culprits red handed. Although the burglars had scarpered the police knew their likely escape route and sure enough cut them off. I was very impressed.