Topic ID 3611
http://new.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=319053 looks like they still want to go ahead despite sainsburys giving up.
Reply ID 52725
Sainsbury's haven't given up.
Reply ID 52732
well maybe not given up as such but it proves tesco are serious and not just rocking the boat. At the speed they're working they're going to get through before sainsburys do. No one can criticise now - they listened to the feedback and changed the plan. Presumably the whole feedback loop starts from scratch again now.
Reply ID 52733
"No-one can criticise now"???? Why not? It's still a huge development that is out of keeping with the area. "The speed they're working"? All I've seen is some CG impressions of their modified plans. I'm not sure how that indicates "speed" or "seriousness". Yes, the changes are to be welcome but it doesn't change the basic fact that the development will dominate the area. The mass and scale are completely inapprpriate for the location.
Reply ID 52734
You are so right. This is no time to become complacent - that's how they manage to get these things passed at planning. We must all accept that this is gross overdevelopment of a site and totally out of keeping with the rest of Hertford and particularly the immediate surrounding areas. Sainsbury's may well end up turning the Macs site into a housing development is Tesco do get the go ahead - so everyone should be on their guard and keep up the campaigning
Reply ID 52736
it indicates relative speed. they turned the new plans around quicker than sainsburys turned theirs around. thats pretty obvious. I wonder how many more floors they'll need to chop off before getting final approval!
Reply ID 52737
quote:Sorry but thats being naive - its just so they can sell themselves as caring sharing. Go in first with a mega development plan that stands no chance and then reduce it to what they probably really want in the name of 'listening to the public'. Its just a big con and all boll**ks
Originally posted by codek2 No one can criticise now - they listened to the feedback and changed the plan.
Reply ID 52739
The plans are better. But it is still far too big. They probably have at least another 2 or 3 versions to show how much they're listening, and can pull them out of the hat when required. Let's not be taken in by all that chat - I'm fed up with everyone in this country supposedly "listening". I wonder if companies think they can get more through unnoticed in the summer months? People on holiday etc?
Reply ID 52740
quote:Hence the fast turn-around on "new plans". This is the one they intended all along and was probably completed long before first pen stroke of the frightener/decoy was even laid to paper.
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:Sorry but thats being naive - its just so they can sell themselves as caring sharing. Go in first with a mega development plan that stands no chance and then reduce it to what they probably really want in the name of 'listening to the public'. Its just a big con and all boll**ks
Originally posted by codek2 No one can criticise now - they listened to the feedback and changed the plan.
Reply ID 52758
My guess is that Tesco will eventually build out to the side of the existing store and have a parking deck similar to Sainsburys in Hoddesdon. I have no evidence to back this up, but it seems like a more realistic proposition that the current designs.
Reply ID 52761
Jees, the way you lot are moaning on, you wont be happy until the plans are scaled back to such an extent that the "new Tesco development" will be the addition of a few extra disabled and/or parent & child parking spaces. Then, you're left with the same cr&ppy store we have at the moment and you can get back to moaning about that AND the extra parent/disabled places. Moan, moan, moan! Not everyone is in objection to a bigger, better store coming to Hertford. If you have a problem with teh Town centre getting redeveloped, use your common sense and don't buy a property in the centre of town. It's not exactly going to flood Hertford with any more traffic on a constant basis, not like the addition of Rivieer and the othe rnew development doen Mill Road have added anyway. Tesco have got my vote!
Reply ID 52763
quote:I think you need to calm down and stop assuming you know what people think. People here have expressed a point of view, many of them against the revised plans. By labelling them "moaning", are you trying to invalidate that point of view? You are perfectly right in pointing out that not everyone is in objection to a bigger, better store coming to Hertford. I am one of them. I just object to THIS bigger, better store. It's too much bigger.
Originally posted by thefair1973
Jees, the way you lot are moaning on, you wont be happy until the plans are scaled back to such an extent that the "new Tesco development" will be the addition of a few extra disabled and/or parent & child parking spaces. Then, you're left with the same cr&ppy store we have at the moment and you can get back to moaning about that AND the extra parent/disabled places. Moan, moan, moan! Not everyone is in objection to a bigger, better store coming to Hertford. If you have a problem with teh Town centre getting redeveloped, use your common sense and don't buy a property in the centre of town. It's not exactly going to flood Hertford with any more traffic on a constant basis, not like the addition of Rivieer and the othe rnew development doen Mill Road have added anyway. Tesco have got my vote!
quote:What's living in the town centre got to do with it? And what if you already own property in the town centre? You might be in favour of these plans and you are perfectly entitled to be. I don't agree with you but I'm not going to label you or accuse you of being a Tesco Cheerleader.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If you have a problem with teh Town centre getting redeveloped, use your common sense and don't buy a property in the centre of town.
Reply ID 52765
Steve I reckon you are spot on. I don't think anyone objects to a bigger and better store but why it has to have all the extra paraphenalia of flats etc that make into such a "monstrous carbuncle" I don't know. You are right as well that it is not necessarily moaning to not accept everything without questioning it.
Reply ID 52767
quote:Certainly there is room for development of the sector, but that doesn't have to mean more of the same? Tesco, we've already got.
Originally posted by aubend
Steve I reckon you are spot on. I don't think anyone objects to a bigger and better store but why it has to have all the extra paraphenalia of flats etc that make into such a "monstrous carbuncle" I don't know. You are right as well that it is not necessarily moaning to not accept everything without questioning it.
Reply ID 52768
quote:Sure, I can understand the flats but are you complaining about the doctors etc?
Originally posted by aubend
Steve I reckon you are spot on. I don't think anyone objects to a bigger and better store but why it has to have all the extra paraphenalia of flats etc that make into such a "monstrous carbuncle" I don't know. You are right as well that it is not necessarily moaning to not accept everything without questioning it.
Reply ID 52769
quote:Standard practice to include such things. Gives a false impression of public spiritedness. Surgeries are commercial premises and rentable, hence they cost nothing and usually make a profit for the developer.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:Sure, I can understand the flats but are you complaining about the doctors etc?
Originally posted by aubend
Steve I reckon you are spot on. I don't think anyone objects to a bigger and better store but why it has to have all the extra paraphenalia of flats etc that make into such a "monstrous carbuncle" I don't know. You are right as well that it is not necessarily moaning to not accept everything without questioning it.
Reply ID 52770
Just had a look at the link... My word! Dear Tesco Architects: Where is the respect of the vernacular? It's all very well having a corporate model but if Waitrose* can do it well, so can you! Hertford is an historic county town, not Bracknell. Tesco is going to get a larger store, I think we're all aware of that. But it doesn't have to be a pug-ugly pile of souless architectrual bile where the architects' skill levels are apparently the equivalent of mob Drs - ie: mob Drs are so employed because they're not good enough to get proper doctoring jobs. * Admittedly, not the Hertford Watrose as it's lumbered with an ugly building to start with. <sheepish shrug> Bath is a better example. I shall be voting 'Nay' to this offering and see what is offered next.
Reply ID 52771
My objection to this is not that it's a Tesco redevelopment - it's the fact that its a building reminiscent of those of the 1960's - ugly, square and cheap-looking, in my opinion. If you're going to build a completely new building, at least either build it in character (i.e. Hertford East style or Bluecoats style) or build a striking, modern building akin to the Gherkin in London or suchlike (obviously, nowhere near on such a scale!!). My preference would be for an old fashioned style of building. I mean, it's not like they can't afford it, is it???
Reply ID 52772
Any budding architects here then? Wouldnt it be great if tesco offered for the town to design the exterior of the place :) Surely the tesco brigadiers are following this forum..
Reply ID 52773
I think they should just knock up a copy of Focus/Matashat and be done with it. I don't really. The problem is that if they go with some striking piece of modern architecture, when my Daughter joins this forum in about 18 years time, she and her co-youth will be canning it, just like we do with the striking architecture of our predecessors - Castle Hall is a prime example. I'm all for Tesco including flats in teh build, as it puts everything under one development. Pity the fools who live in them though, but I suppose if it's housing for key workers, they can't really complain about it
Reply ID 52776
How many times does it have to be said. I bet people were whinging about the striking architecture of Blue Coats, Hertford East Station and many of the other buildings that you from the anti-anything-modern-or-not-independent brigade love-oh-so-much when they were first put up. It's call progress. If it didn't happen, we'd still be living in caves. As far as I'm concerned, I don't particularly like Tesco because they lie constantly about how cheap they are, unlike Asda who are actually as cheap as they claim they are, Sainsbury's who don't pretend to be cheap but focus on quality and Morrisons who also focus on quality, and I'd prefer for any of them to be in the town, but as far as I can see, this store is still going to be tiny compared to 75% of supermarkets. Seriously, there is nothing to do in this town unless you like going out and getting drunk. The selection of products is limited or restricted to expensive independents. A big store will shake up the shopping experience in Hertford, something that is long over due. There is a reason why clone towns are so successful. It's what most people want – the silent majority, not the vocal minority from the anti-anything-modern-or-not-independent brigade. Seriously, Hertford is expensive enough. I moved down to Hertford to do my dream job. A couple of examples. To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film. To get a decent shopping experience I have to – again – pay £5 to travel to go to either Stevenage or London and then struggle with bags back. Not everyone earns more than £20,000 and a lot of people struggle to survive here specifically because it is expensive here.
Reply ID 52777
quote:Did anybody ever like Castle Hall? I seem to remember that the consensus of opinion was that it was an abomination, at the the time it was built. It was swiftly named "the Elephant House" because of it's similarity to the shed of the same name which existed at Regents Park Zoo. There is good contempory architecture, but like Castle Hall, Tesco's plan is simply utility architecture, i.e. cheap to build.
Originally posted by thefair1973
I think they should just knock up a copy of Focus/Matashat and be done with it. I don't really. The problem is that if they go with some striking piece of modern architecture, when my Daughter joins this forum in about 18 years time, she and her co-youth will be canning it, just like we do with the striking architecture of our predecessors - Castle Hall is a prime example. I'm all for Tesco including flats in teh build, as it puts everything under one development. Pity the fools who live in them though, but I suppose if it's housing for key workers, they can't really complain about it
Reply ID 52778
quote:Not for much longer mate.
Originally posted by Brockman
To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film.
Reply ID 52780
quote:I Agree
Originally posted by Brockman
How many times does it have to be said. I bet people were whinging about the striking architecture of Blue Coats, Hertford East Station and many of the other buildings that you from the anti-anything-modern-or-not-independent brigade love-oh-so-much when they were first put up. It's call progress. If it didn't happen, we'd still be living in caves.
quote:I think this depends on what you are buying - Tesco can cheap but (going by what some people on this forum write) not always as cheap as it could be especially in Hertford.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't particularly like Tesco because they lie constantly about how cheap they are, unlike Asda who are actually as cheap as they claim they are, Sainsbury's who don't pretend to be cheap but focus on quality and Morrisons who also focus on quality, and I'd prefer for any of them to be in the town, but as far as I can see, this store is still going to be tiny compared to 75% of supermarkets.
quote:Again pretty much spot on. There is definitely a vocal proportion that stand up for the small expensive shopping experience in Hertford. Has anybody noticed that the independents that do well in Hertford are the ones offering something different to that which is provided by the dreaded big chains?
Seriously, there is nothing to do in this town unless you like going out and getting drunk. The selection of products is limited or restricted to expensive independents. A big store will shake up the shopping experience in Hertford, something that is long over due. There is a reason why clone towns are so successful. It's what most people want – the silent majority, not the vocal minority from the anti-anything-modern-or-not-independent brigade.
Reply ID 52781
quote:There we go with labels and namecalling again. The "us and them" generalising that makes wider assumptions about peoples' attitudes. Rather than attacking the people you disagree with, why not try addressing the arguments. By trying to discredit other people you are in fact discrediting yourself. Judging by the content of your post you don't much care for Hertford. Nor do you seem to have much time for the people that do.
Originally posted by Brockman
the anti-anything-modern-or-not-independent brigade.
Reply ID 52782
It seems that if Tesco were to design a new shop that looked like an enormous dog poo, some people would just accept it as 'modern' and 'progress' and if anyone else dared to question it, they would be castigated by these same people as 'moaning' and 'kill-joys'. I suppose these are the same type of people that thought ripping a road right through the middle of Hertford was a jolly good idea ('progress' no doubt).
Reply ID 52785
It is possible to design a building that respects the local built environment while embracing modern design & technology. Tesco's proposal is a cheap, ugly shed which only suits them.
Reply ID 52792
quote:Off topic, but why's that?? On topic, I pity anyone that thinks Chavenage is a good shopping experience! The fact is, everyone pretty much accepts that the Hertford Tesco is rubbish. God knows what they did in teh recent refurb, but every range seems to have gotten smaller, so they must have crammed something else in there. Even teh Hatfield Tesco isn't that great. If they can replicate Brookfields on 2 or 3 floors in Hertford, I'd be happy. As long as it wasn't a minging building, but it's a supermarket, so it's going to be function rather than flair.
Originally posted by warren_peacequote:Not for much longer mate.
Originally posted by Brockman
To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film.
Reply ID 52799
quote:You mean like the 5 storey office block on the Bluecoats roundabout? Or the 4 storey wall of flats by Hertford East? Or the 6 storeys of Newland garlands? All within throwing distance with a can of value baked beans from Tesco. Much as I don't like the design Tesco are putting forward, I don't think they can be accused of not making the design in keeping with whats around them. That corner of town is now high rise in many areas. Personally, I thought the first design was better. But I don't like either for this site.
Originally posted by Mr P
It is possible to design a building that respects the local built environment while embracing modern design & technology. Tesco's proposal is a cheap, ugly shed which only suits them.
Reply ID 52800
quote:So why don't you wait for the DVD? Or move to Stevenage? PS. Tesco is cheaper than Asda for some people. It depends what you buy.
Originally posted by Brockman Seriously, Hertford is expensive enough. I moved down to Hertford to do my dream job. A couple of examples. To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film. To get a decent shopping experience I have to – again – pay £5 to travel to go to either Stevenage or London and then struggle with bags back. Not everyone earns more than £20,000 and a lot of people struggle to survive here specifically because it is expensive here.
Reply ID 52806
What bothers me is, not what they intend to do, but how they've gone about it.While we have to jump through hoops to get our planning permission. It was predicted here on this forum and in the letters page of the "Mercury" how a truly awful scheme would be submitted, duly turned down to be replaced with what they wanted in the first place. Bearing that in mind I have a plan. I shall submit my application to build a life size replica of the Taj Mahal in my back garden, when this is (hopefully) rejected out of hand, I will then after "consultation with" and "listening to" my neighbours submit a modified application. Bingo!! my single storey kitchen extension is in the bag [;)] MoJo every little helps
Reply ID 52807
quote:I can forsee a small problem.....the planning department may decide your Taj Mahal is an outstanding piece of achitecture (apparently the original is quite highly thought of) and grant permission. You'd have to dig up all the pansies to fit it in and end up the most ostentatious potting shed in Hertford.
Originally posted by MoJo
What bothers me is, not what they intend to do, but how they've gone about it.While we have to jump through hoops to get our planning permission. It was predicted here on this forum and in the letters page of the "Mercury" how a truly awful scheme would be submitted, duly turned down to be replaced with what they wanted in the first place. Bearing that in mind I have a plan. I shall submit my application to build a life size replica of the Taj Mahal in my back garden, when this is (hopefully) rejected out of hand, I will then after "consultation with" and "listening to" my neighbours submit a modified application. Bingo!! my single storey kitchen extension is in the bag [;)] MoJo every little helps
Reply ID 52808
quote:Tesco have not yet submitted ANY planning application. All that we've seen so far is a public relations exercise. Interesting to note that the company's plan for a store in St.Albans is accompanied by a flashy website http://www.tescostalbans.co.uk. No such site exists for Hertford - they've not even registered http://www.tescostalbans.co.uk.
Originally posted by MoJo
It was predicted here on this forum and in the letters page of the "Mercury" how a truly awful scheme would be submitted, duly turned down to be replaced with what they wanted in the first place. Bearing that in mind I have a plan.
Reply ID 52809
quote:Go on Steve - I dare you [:)]
Originally posted by Steve No such site exists for Hertford - they've not even registered http://www.tescohertford.co.uk.
Reply ID 52816
quote:In terms of living costs, it's even more expensive in Stevenage because of its proximity to London and its position on the mainline. The shopping and leisure facilities are undeniably better in Stevenage, although I'll give everyone that it is a hell-hole thanks in part to the town's less responsible citizens.
Originally posted by Dudequote:So why don't you wait for the DVD? Or move to Stevenage? PS. Tesco is cheaper than Asda for some people. It depends what you buy.
Originally posted by Brockman Seriously, Hertford is expensive enough. I moved down to Hertford to do my dream job. A couple of examples. To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film. To get a decent shopping experience I have to – again – pay £5 to travel to go to either Stevenage or London and then struggle with bags back. Not everyone earns more than £20,000 and a lot of people struggle to survive here specifically because it is expensive here.
Reply ID 52825
quote:That's why I added (hopefully) but if they do grant me permission, I will explain that I meant the Indian restaurant in Stevenage [8D] i have never been into a Tesco shop and probably never will, but I think they could have put a bit more effort into their design, it does seem to me that they are not too bothered about Hertford. I met Sir Jack Cohen when I were nobbutalad, a nice person, can't say the same about his daughter. MoJo
Originally posted by shuntquote:I can forsee a small problem.....the planning department may decide your Taj Mahal is an outstanding piece of achitecture (apparently the original is quite highly thought of) and grant permission. You'd have to dig up all the pansies to fit it in and end up the most ostentatious potting shed in Hertford.
Originally posted by MoJo
What bothers me is, not what they intend to do, but how they've gone about it.While we have to jump through hoops to get our planning permission. It was predicted here on this forum and in the letters page of the "Mercury" how a truly awful scheme would be submitted, duly turned down to be replaced with what they wanted in the first place. Bearing that in mind I have a plan. I shall submit my application to build a life size replica of the Taj Mahal in my back garden, when this is (hopefully) rejected out of hand, I will then after "consultation with" and "listening to" my neighbours submit a modified application. Bingo!! my single storey kitchen extension is in the bag [;)] MoJo every little helps
Reply ID 52827
quote:Stevenage is a good example of why Tesco should not be allowed this. An ugly town to start with, Stevenage has considered planning applications in the context of what already exists. The result is that it is more ugly than it ever was. If it has some "irresponsible citizens", it is likely to be lack of civic pride that cuases them to become so. Tesco has some ugly architecture nearby, adding it's new building to the repulsive hovels being built by the river will just continue to pull down the appeal of the area.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:In terms of living costs, it's even more expensive in Stevenage because of its proximity to London and its position on the mainline. The shopping and leisure facilities are undeniably better in Stevenage, although I'll give everyone that it is a hell-hole thanks in part to the town's less responsible citizens.
Originally posted by Dudequote:So why don't you wait for the DVD? Or move to Stevenage? PS. Tesco is cheaper than Asda for some people. It depends what you buy.
Originally posted by Brockman Seriously, Hertford is expensive enough. I moved down to Hertford to do my dream job. A couple of examples. To go the cinema where I came from cost £5. To go the cinema from Hertford, it costs me £5 to get to the bloody cinema, then it costs another £8 at least to watch a film. To get a decent shopping experience I have to – again – pay £5 to travel to go to either Stevenage or London and then struggle with bags back. Not everyone earns more than £20,000 and a lot of people struggle to survive here specifically because it is expensive here.
Reply ID 52828
quote:Exactly why Tesco should not be following the dreadful examples set by the neighbouring Rotunda, Stag House, Yeomans Court and Riviere.
Originally posted by shunt
Stevenage is a good example of why Tesco should not be allowed this. An ugly town to start with, Stevenage has considered planning applications in the context of what already exists. The result is that it is more ugly than it ever was. If it has some "irresponsible citizens", it is likely to be lack of civic pride that cuases them to become so. Tesco has some ugly architecture nearby, adding it's new building to the repulsive hovels being built by the river will just continue to pull down the appeal of the area.
Reply ID 52940
quote:I walked past the new building at GSK in Ware and wondered if this is what the Tesco would look like size wise.
Originally posted by shunt Tesco has some ugly architecture...
Reply ID 53095
This item from Sunday's "Telegraph" may be of interest, "Tesco has been accused of using a local retailer to "front" a planning application for a massive supermarket development- an 80,000 sq ft store in Barnstaple ,Devon. The application was submitted in the name of independent local retailer Brian Ford's, which Tesco acquired a year earlier" MoJo Every little helps
Reply ID 53097
Don't know if its related to the Tesco plan but there was a lot of traffic surveying going on around the Bluecoats roundabout/Mill Lane junctions today
Reply ID 53098
quote:They've been in some of the sidestreets as well
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Don't know if its related to the Tesco plan but there was a lot of traffic surveying going on around the Bluecoats roundabout/Mill Lane junctions today
Reply ID 53101
It sounds like it is serious then rather than a knee jerk reaction to the Sainsbury proposal.
Reply ID 53103
quote:Sainsbury or not, Tesco will be anxious to close the door on any future competition.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
It sounds like it is serious then rather than a knee jerk reaction to the Sainsbury proposal.
Reply ID 53104
And perhaps they are paying more attention to traffic issues than Sainsbury did. The Sainsbury approach of avoiding the subject was not successful at all.
Reply ID 53105
traffic surveys happen all the time they're not necessarily related to tesco. A few weeks ago they were surveying down near the esso petrol station. They are also at the moment focussing in traffic in hertingfordbury, i think the residents there are hoping to get a change in the road layouts to reduce traffic in the village itself.
Reply ID 53106
quote:Indeed, though perhaps a rather dated approach designed to appease a rather conservative community. Modern thinking is that traffic considerations should be actively ignored and car parking space limited, to encourage companies to trade in ways which do not favour short journey car use in towns. Such thinking doesn't seem to have reached Hertford yet.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
And perhaps they are paying more attention to traffic issues than Sainsbury did. The Sainsbury approach of avoiding the subject was not successful at all.
Reply ID 53107
The surveyors were from the District Council. Any link with the Tesco plans is purely speculative.
Reply ID 53805
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Reply ID 53811
From the looks of things, I think it's alright. Hopefully the fact there are residents next door to the car park should prevent a repeat of the problems Birchley's car park suffered from recently. I think 'striking' is an appropriate work. For some it'll be a breathtaking piece of modern architecture. For others it'll be the 'strike' that lights the fury in their minds. Perhaps Marmite might also be an apt description considering the food theme. Anyway, judging by the fact it has around 35 checkouts inc the self scan, there should be a nice amount of non-food space in it; something that this town desperately needs.
Reply ID 53817
Much as I've been a supporter of Tesco on many subjects, I think this store just looks totally out of place. Hertford is becoming Enfield quicker than you can say Public Enquiry.
Reply ID 53818
[img]../images/forum/tesco_new4.jpg[/img] I think the scale is deceiving again - look at the old Dolphin pub on the far left for instance, and the itty-bitty people migrating up 4 floors of shopping centre just to get an idea of it's size. Even the 'T' in 'Tesco' must be 8 foot tall.
Reply ID 53819
I guess its either this contempary/modern design style or a massive pile of red bricks such as the recently built Sainsurys in Broxbourne. Of the two I prefer this one. Can anyone name a single supermarket built recently in a town center that they like ?
Reply ID 53820
quote:I think that's Hertford East station on the left, not The Dolphin.
Originally posted by Ted Badger
I think the scale is deceiving again - look at the old Dolphin pub on the far left for instance, and the itty-bitty people migrating up 4 floors of shopping centre just to get an idea of it's size.
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Reply ID 53822
quote:How horrendous, it has no redeeming features as far as I can see. A whacking grey behemoth, yuck
Originally posted by Steve
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Reply ID 53826
Great. It looks like any number of roads in North London.
Reply ID 53828
This is a little different from the scheme presented by Tesco when we met with them a month or so ago. The Ware Road aspect was to be glass also and given over to office space. Is it to be black, non reflective? I asked. No see-through plain glass so you can watch office workers at work was the reply.
Reply ID 53829
quote:Isnt that the inevitable...
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Great. It looks like any number of roads in North London.
Reply ID 53831
quote:Then say farewell to Books @ Hertford, the domestic appliance shop at the back of the court house, the kids clothing store (who also do school uniforms) on Market Square, the camera shop, any number of clothing shops, opticians, jewelers... How many shops do you think can stand up to the might and buying power of Tesco? If a ghost town in the centre of Hertford is all you want, then this is a great idea.
Originally posted by Brockman
...there should be a nice amount of non-food space in it; something that this town desperately needs.
Reply ID 53832
quote:Books@Hertford – Nope. Not a chance. If anything, WH Smiths is a bigger risk to Books@ than a supermarket ever will be. Independent book stores survive because they stock titles at the long end of the tail rather than the top 100 like supermarkets specialise in. The domestic appliance store. Sorry, when it's cheaper to pay the train fare to Stevenage or London and buy a kettle or toaster then tough. Either it needs to specialise in providing a whole solution than individual products and price or die. Tough. The camera shop. The store isn't going to be that big. Most supermarkets don't have specialised photography department unless they are approaching 80,000 sq ft and upwards. Either way, the sheer range of products means that the Camera shop provides a service to the wider area outside of Hertford and it'll easily be safe. The kids clothing store... It does specialist school uniforms if I'm right? So it'll be safe. Opticians. I'm sorry, but if it wasn't safe, then how do you explain the fact that they survive quite happily in towns with supermarkets with opticians. I come from a town that is about four times the size of Hertford, could be called a clone town but also around 5 or 6 independent and chains outside of the supermarkets so they're safe. Jewelers... Again, Hertford is hardly Harlow or Stevenage where Elizabeth Dukes is the height of fashion, so the specialists will be safe. A ghost town is hardly likely... I think Hertford has managed to mark itself out as the local independent town and it'll remain like that regardless of the amount of chain stores come to the town.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Then say farewell to Books @ Hertford, the domestic appliance shop at the back of the court house, the kids clothing store (who also do school uniforms) on Market Square, the camera shop, any number of clothing shops, opticians, jewelers... How many shops do you think can stand up to the might and buying power of Tesco? If a ghost town in the centre of Hertford is all you want, then this is a great idea.
Originally posted by Brockman
...there should be a nice amount of non-food space in it; something that this town desperately needs.
Reply ID 53836
It is irredeemably awful!
Reply ID 53837
quote:Sorry if this sounds callous, but many of the shops in Hertford are over priced and lack choice. I think the tesco might encourage bigger stores to come in and make Hertford more of a shopping destination. Just my opinion but let's face it, it can't make it much wors.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Then say farewell to Books @ Hertford, the domestic appliance shop at the back of the court house, the kids clothing store (who also do school uniforms) on Market Square, the camera shop, any number of clothing shops, opticians, jewelers... How many shops do you think can stand up to the might and buying power of Tesco? If a ghost town in the centre of Hertford is all you want, then this is a great idea.
Originally posted by Brockman
...there should be a nice amount of non-food space in it; something that this town desperately needs.
Reply ID 53840
Where do you shop then? Hertford has a great choice of independent retailers - not in the least overpriced in most cases. Perhaps if everyone tried just for a month to shop locally for everything, they might find the challenge illuminating. I have managed to buy all my shopping in Hertford and Ware for the past 3 years, barring the odd outfit for a wedding etc. Come on Hertfordians, give it a go - surprise yourselves [:)]
Reply ID 53841
quote:It's a market town; I don't understand why people feel that it needs upgrading to a Lakeside/Bluewater/Milton Keynes/Brookfield Farm experience?
Originally posted by aubend I think the tesco might encourage bigger stores to come in and make Hertford more of a shopping destination...
Reply ID 53842
Essentially the public are lazy when it comes to shopping. They want it all under one roof. Hertford will get what Hertford deserves. If we don't rally together and fight Tesco then it will come! It's no use moaning about it after the event - write to Tim Hagyard at the Planning office and voice your concerns NOW
Reply ID 53843
As with other discussions on this topic, there are two conversations taking place. One about whether or not we need a bigger Tesco and the effect on the town; and another separate discussion about the merits of the development Tesco are currently proposing.
Reply ID 53844
That will obviously always happen on a thread regarding Tesco and it's proposed monstrosity. We can't keep going between threads to discuss the proposals and then what effects it will have on Hertford. Surely the two topics are linked?
Reply ID 53848
quote:This is not a flame. We're not down the pub (regrettably!) so my face and voice remain a mystery... [:D] Where are the 'bigger stores' going to go? The Sainsbury's site with associated traffic arguments, or a new out-of-town area where driving to/parking in is easier. Either way, it's not in the town centre where the premises are tiny and listed. Tesco's themselves describe their location as 'edge of town' already. If you want lack of choice, go to a supermarket - they may be bigger but they limit the choice to what suits them and the deals they can hammer out which are to benefit them, not us. Bigger stores aren't in it for an equitable approach to other traders or for working together as part of a community, bigger stores have accountants and shareholders and usually have a marketing approach bordering on a less polite version of 'stuff-the-oppo', particularly where the internet is chipping away at their sales and they need to meet targets. Hertford needs a number of things to keep it viable in a changing market - particularly where one car per person is an additional vital variable for consideration for flow-through and parking. What it does not need is an application for a vast Tesco whose self-confessed catchment area for the Hertford store is anything within 25 minutes drive encompassing Hatfield and their flagship store: Brookfield Farm. This Tesco will reduce choice, not increase it. It will reduce human traffic into town as 'everything's under one roof' and, as Kitty Kat says: people are essentially lazy so if they can park up outside it's so much easier. It will change the face of the town centre irreparably and for the negative. And on a slightly off topic note: three simultaneous proposals of huge stores for Tescos, Sainsbury's and Asda within 3 miles of each other... How is that needed? How is that viable? How much of our money is there to go around? Will any of that money go to independent traders? If so, how much? Enough to pay the rent, the rates, the stock costs, the wages to staff? Big stores equals farewell to small shops. Just look at the rise of ghost towns, just look at Hoddeston and how their high street has changed since Sainsbury's has arrived. Hertford may need many things, but it doesn't need decimating.
Originally posted by aubend Sorry if this sounds callous, but many of the shops in Hertford are over priced and lack choice. I think the tesco might encourage bigger stores to come in and make Hertford more of a shopping destination. Just my opinion but let's face it, it can't make it much wors.
Reply ID 53849
Here Here [:)]
Reply ID 53855
Right On Mr P!
Reply ID 53868
I do not run a shop in Hertford. I am therefore impartial. I believe that generally it offers little choice and poor quality compared to towns that have bigger name stores. I see st.Albans as an example of how Hertford could be,albeit on a smaller scale. I think the fact that Hertford can attract 'up Market' restaurant chains such as pizza express and cafe rouge means that the type of person is around who might want to shop in places like French connection, gap, etc rather than Edinburgh wool mill and mandco. Anyway we'll see what happens won't we?
Reply ID 53870
On it's own, the planned Tesco is not a problem. However, in it's context it is totally inappropriate. The mass and scale would totally dominate the area. The site is surround on three sides by Victorian architecture of two and three storeys. On the south side, the site is bounded mainly by turn of the century properties and two modern buildings of questionable design. The character and size of the proposed new store are completely out of keeping with the local area and the town in general. Whilst a new store might be welcome, this one is not, in my humble opinion. Hertford is neither a new town or a metropolitan district and this one of the reasons many people choose to live here. Tesco have failed to understand this and their proposal reflects their disinterest in anything other than their own profitability. However, what happens on the Ware Road site will have profound ramifications for the town. Tesco and the town both need to develop. However, the current plans will benefit only Tesco, to the detriment of the town as a whole in my opinion. Hertford is not Stevenage, Bishops Stortford or St.Albans. What might work there won't necessarily work here. Our situation is different. Any new store has to recongise that. [img]../images/forum/tesco_new7.jpg[/img] [img]../images/forum/tesco_new8.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 53873
quote:I agree, Hertford would be better served with a Gap and a Next maybe or River Island in place of M&Co and the Woollen Mill. It's up to our local council to encourage them into town and for them to discourage any more 'discount' style stores opening. However, we simply do not need an enormous Tesco selling goods that are already available in Hertford
Originally posted by aubend
I do not run a shop in Hertford. I am therefore impartial. I believe that generally it offers little choice and poor quality compared to towns that have bigger name stores. I see st.Albans as an example of how Hertford could be,albeit on a smaller scale. I think the fact that Hertford can attract 'up Market' restaurant chains such as pizza express and cafe rouge means that the type of person is around who might want to shop in places like French connection, gap, etc rather than Edinburgh wool mill and mandco. Anyway we'll see what happens won't we?
Reply ID 53877
quote:I agree entirely. There is nothing wrong with having chain stores per se. That's the sort of debate that needs to be opened up; without the immediate 'anything not independent is bad' panic that unfortunately seems to thrive here. I mean, I won't lie. I moved here for a job and I'm only paid £14k so I do not choose to live in Hertford per se – I have to live here so that public transport does not eat into my already tight budget. I'm not well off by any means, unlike a lot of the people here. I get the feeling a lot of those who proclaim the benefits of Hertford's independent shops are well off enough to be able to be able to choose to shop at them. The problem is, when it's cheaper to travel to somewhere like Stevenage and do a weekly shop; even with rising fuel and transportation costs, then there is something very wrong with the town.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I agree, Hertford would be better served with a Gap and a Next maybe or River Island in place of M&Co and the Woollen Mill. It's up to our local council to encourage them into town and for them to discourage any more 'discount' style stores opening. However, we simply do not need an enormous Tesco selling goods that are already available in Hertford
Originally posted by aubend
I do not run a shop in Hertford. I am therefore impartial. I believe that generally it offers little choice and poor quality compared to towns that have bigger name stores. I see st.Albans as an example of how Hertford could be,albeit on a smaller scale. I think the fact that Hertford can attract 'up Market' restaurant chains such as pizza express and cafe rouge means that the type of person is around who might want to shop in places like French connection, gap, etc rather than Edinburgh wool mill and mandco. Anyway we'll see what happens won't we?
Reply ID 53879
quote:Agree 100% KK - but I doubt its within the council's remit to encourage/discourage specific retailers
Originally posted by Kitty Kat I agree, Hertford would be better served with a Gap and a Next maybe or River Island in place of M&Co and the Woollen Mill. It's up to our local council to encourage them into town and for them to discourage any more 'discount' style stores opening. However, we simply do not need an enormous Tesco selling goods that are already available in Hertford
Reply ID 53881
The Tesco plans do look at of place. The problem is the majority of shop buildings in the town are old and quite small which makes attracting chain stores difficult. I think Hertford could benefit from some better chain stores in the town so as long as they are not eye sores.
Reply ID 53885
I think that many of you are unwittingly playing into Tesco's hands. They have said on the basis of their own research that Hertford has lost much of its shopping to the larger centres such as Stevenage, WGC etc. My report for the HTP said this and East Herts Council's own consultants Chase & Co, who have just completed a retail study (available to Tesco) have said the same thing. Hertford is losing its share of comparison goods - white goods, clothing, shoes etc - to the out of town retail parks and none of the big names are going to come to Hertford - there is not the shop space, the footfall, the demographic breakdown and just as important, similar key attractor stores. We have 7 out of a possible 21 and even these are defined by the outlets as 'corner shop'. Tesco will give over the 30% shelf non-food space to low price, low quality but high demand goods such as printers, microwaves, irons etc on the classic Tesco principle - build it high, sell it low. Once the shelf has gone - no more. This will hit some of the existing retails units, not so much the specialist clothes shops maybe or the hair and beauty sector. However none of this is enough to stop Tesco expanding. They are quite clear that they will attract more visitors to Hertford. We might all possibly agree on this but what they have not convinced me is how they are going to push these extra visitors into the town, especially as the car park will have a max of two hours. One of the planning guidelines for edge of town expansion is one of linkage. By placing an imposing four lane carriageway between them and the town centre is is not going to encourage people to cross over into the town centre especially as there is also a time limit on parking. The application has to be approved or otherwise on planning objectives and guidance. Although this may or not fit in with East Herts Council's latest Economic Local Plan there is much more inter council working ever since the idea of council unitarism was abandoned. So it may be in council's interest to attract extra light shopping to Hertford whilst allowing North Herts to continue to develop retail parks. Who knows what direction is coming down from County and/or Local Government. But Tesco can claim that they are fulfilling a need by providing non-food items currently being purchased as part of an out of town shopping trip and thereby preventing further loss of leakage from the town. If Tesco cannot provide adequate encouragement or linkage to the town centre and if the extra traffic causes extra grief then that is a couple of reasons to launch a valid objection under planning regulations. Tesco's did say that they have been involved with Highways on restructuring the traffic system around the area and this would be a godsend to a cash strapped Highways.
Reply ID 53887
quote:Sloop. Whilst I agree with your post, I think that some people are missing the point. Tesco has every reason to open a new improved store, whether we like/want it or not. They won't get it though , the road infrastructure cannot cope with the amount of vehicles at the moment. That, coupled with the increase of property on Mill Road and Mead Lane and the commercial expansion of Mead Lane too, suggests that Herts Highways will be a major factor in a decision by EHDC. The problem in the town lies within an age old thing - Landlords. The rent on shops is extremely high and most landlords own the property from previous generations and therefore can name their price. Generations of families have occupied and owned buildings within the town and pass the ownership on to sons and daughters, their husbands and wives, sisters and brothers etc. Good luck to them, I wish I was in the same place to be so fortunate. McMullens hold the trump card in this as they own many properties in the town. Sainsbury will get the go-ahead, I am sure. There's no point in all of us banging the drum about Tesco's planning application. This town has had plenty of time to sort itself out as far as shops go since the demise of the Arcade. Sadly, some of the shops are shocking, run by individuals who 'do a runner' after having no idea of simple marketing, using the words "Sale now on" or "All items now only £10". How would a prospective entrepeneur bring back a decent shopping experience into Hertford? Three things: Kids = Quids. There is a gaping hole in the town for a decent kids shop called "Yummy Mummy", which I now hold the patent to. (please note this Admin) Polite, upbeat, pleasant, knowledgeable staff. Lollypops. Tony Waller made history in Hertford with the idea. Easy peasy. (and before anyone says "why don't you do it then?", I have, but not in Hertford yet... support welcome)
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
I think that many of you are unwittingly playing into Tesco's hands. They have said on the basis of their own research that Hertford has lost much of its shopping to the larger centres such as Stevenage, WGC etc. My report for the HTP said this and East Herts Council's own consultants Chase & Co, who have just completed a retail study (available to Tesco) have said the same thing. Hertford is losing its share of comparison goods - white goods, clothing, shoes etc - to the out of town retail parks and none of the big names are going to come to Hertford - there is not the shop space, the footfall, the demographic breakdown and just as important, similar key attractor stores. We have 7 out of a possible 21 and even these are defined by the outlets as 'corner shop'. Tesco will give over the 30% shelf non-food space to low price, low quality but high demand goods such as printers, microwaves, irons etc on the classic Tesco principle - build it high, sell it low. Once the shelf has gone - no more. This will hit some of the existing retails units, not so much the specialist clothes shops maybe or the hair and beauty sector. However none of this is enough to stop Tesco expanding. They are quite clear that they will attract more visitors to Hertford. We might all possibly agree on this but what they have not convinced me is how they are going to push these extra visitors into the town, especially as the car park will have a max of two hours. One of the planning guidelines for edge of town expansion is one of linkage. By placing an imposing four lane carriageway between them and the town centre is is not going to encourage people to cross over into the town centre especially as there is also a time limit on parking. The application has to be approved or otherwise on planning objectives and guidance. Although this may or not fit in with East Herts Council's latest Economic Local Plan there is much more inter council working ever since the idea of council unitarism was abandoned. So it may be in council's interest to attract extra light shopping to Hertford whilst allowing North Herts to continue to develop retail parks. Who knows what direction is coming down from County and/or Local Government. But Tesco can claim that they are fulfilling a need by providing non-food items currently being purchased as part of an out of town shopping trip and thereby preventing further loss of leakage from the town. If Tesco cannot provide adequate encouragement or linkage to the town centre and if the extra traffic causes extra grief then that is a couple of reasons to launch a valid objection under planning regulations. Tesco's did say that they have been involved with Highways on restructuring the traffic system around the area and this would be a godsend to a cash strapped Highways.
Reply ID 53888
Ah that this were all true. Our landlord is a nice chap and our rent very reasonable. My husband rents retail property and his rent is very reasonable too. Most retail units in Hertford are not owned by McMullens - they sold lots off at auction years ago. The trouble lies in the fact that retail is on it's arse and anyone mad enough to enter the fray must have cash behind them to prop up their takings. Also, Hertford is a tricky town to trade in - you have to work hard to get a customer and keep them these days! All this will not be helped by sarcastic ideas like yours - "Yummy Mummy"?! Good luck to you giving our lollies in the current 'no sweets for my little jonny' climate too - I hope they are all natural and organically produced for the Yummy Mummy [}:)]
Reply ID 53893
quote:Sarcasm - the great misunderstood British disease. I had no idea you gave OUR lollies out, fair play to you. I doubt that you offer a professionally qualified and personal private fitting area like Tony Waller did. I may be wrong though. There are no KIDS shops in Hertford for anything from shoe fittings to school uniform fittings and Gravesons used to be the pinnacle of retail shopping. The town we live in has too many crap restaurants, crap pubs, crap hair parlours, crap clothes shops, all with crap goods and crap service with crap people sitting behind a till expecting all of us to pay something for just walking into the shop. The only places that are half decent are the..... sorry, I can't think of any.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Ah that this were all true. Our landlord is a nice chap and our rent very reasonable. My husband rents retail property and his rent is very reasonable too. Most retail units in Hertford are not owned by McMullens - they sold lots off at auction years ago. The trouble lies in the fact that retail is on it's arse and anyone mad enough to enter the fray must have cash behind them to prop up their takings. Also, Hertford is a tricky town to trade in - you have to work hard to get a customer and keep them these days! All this will not be helped by sarcastic ideas like yours - "Yummy Mummy"?! Good luck to you giving our lollies in the current 'no sweets for my little jonny' climate too - I hope they are all natural and organically produced for the Yummy Mummy [}:)]
Reply ID 53894
I hope this isn't breaking any rules, but my young daughter has strong views on this subject and would like to make this comment: "Its a really selfish idea because it is using up so much space which could be used for something worth while. Also they are just intruding on peoples space i.e the people who live next to it. They will look out of the window and see a great big ugly building. They are only doing it to compete with other supermarkets. It's like 2 children arguing in the playground " my toy is better than your toy " so the other child goes and makes his toy 'better' even if it means having to use other peoples tools. Tescos See other supermarkets are doing well so it does somthing better even if it intrudes in other peoples privacy. I hope they DON'T get planning purmission!!!"
Reply ID 53896
quote:Great post, daughter of Dennis. They may or may not get planning permission but the town needs to be supported as far as retail goes. It is worth noting that in a lot of countries, successful owners or shop-floor staff don't tend to sit behind a counter and expect the money to roll in, wherever that may be. I find it amazing that when I walk past some places, the staff are just sitting there behind a till expecting an eathquake of money. We all need goods; chips, petrol, clothing. Your daughter needs a simple piece of advice. A smile can make a great amount of money but bitterness can also kill the greed.
Originally posted by dennismoore
I hope this isn't breaking any rules, but my young daughter has strong views on this subject and would like to make this comment: "Its a really selfish idea because it is using up so much space which could be used for something worth while. Also they are just intruding on peoples space i.e the people who live next to it. They will look out of the window and see a great big ugly building. They are only doing it to compete with other supermarkets. It's like 2 children arguing in the playground " my toy is better than your toy " so the other child goes and makes his toy 'better' even if it means having to use other peoples tools. Tescos See other supermarkets are doing well so it does somthing better even if it intrudes in other peoples privacy. I hope they DON'T get planning purmission!!!"
Reply ID 53897
Look forward to seeing you open a shop in Hertford then James. With all that knowledge and ideas and the lack of imagination and service currently in Hertford, you are bound to be a hit.
Reply ID 53903
My god - James did someone push you out of the wrong side of bed recently?! I do run a shop and it is very successful thanks - we are not miserable and we do offer a professional and friendly service. We do not sit behind the counter expecting a windfall of cash. Retail is currently a very hard business to be in and we are working hard at giving the customer what they want. Hertford is a great town with great shops - wipe the ****e from your eyes man
Reply ID 53913
Hertford does have some great shops, and the indepndent shops that do well in Hertford are the ones that provide a service above and beyond what is available elsewhere. The shops that fail are the ones that offer something similar to bigger shops only more expensive and less convenient. When people are watching the pennies, they will buy a product from Tesco if the price is cheaper than the local shop in the town centre.
Reply ID 53914
quote:Good grief, calm down. Kitty Kat, I wasn't for one minute referring to your shop. I am sure you are doing things differently. The obvious signs are that with retail confidence at a 20 year low, none of the shops seem to be doing anything different. It is the same old story - 'sale now on' or '50% off this' etc. Hertford isn't a market town any more. There is no 'show' within retail, no enterprise. All retailers tend to do is stock up a shop, throw in a cash-till, sit behind it, and try and mug us all off with their 'end of line' crap that is now '50% off'. When did anyone pay for something and then say "Holy me, squire, I paid 80 quid for that coat on Wednesday, now it is 40 quid and it is only Thursday"? Never.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Ah that this were all true. Our landlord is a nice chap and our rent very reasonable. My husband rents retail property and his rent is very reasonable too. Most retail units in Hertford are not owned by McMullens - they sold lots off at auction years ago. The trouble lies in the fact that retail is on it's arse and anyone mad enough to enter the fray must have cash behind them to prop up their takings. Also, Hertford is a tricky town to trade in - you have to work hard to get a customer and keep them these days! All this will not be helped by sarcastic ideas like yours - "Yummy Mummy"?! Good luck to you giving our lollies in the current 'no sweets for my little jonny' climate too - I hope they are all natural and organically produced for the Yummy Mummy [}:)]
Reply ID 53915
We're in danger of losing sight of the subject here [:)]
Reply ID 53917
Agreed.
Reply ID 53919
Personally I think that Tesco could do with being redeveloped but perhaps not on the ridiculous scale they are proposing. Why it has to be so damned tall I do not know and the flats at the front look hideous in the plans - God only knows how they'll look in 20 years time... Uurgh! If I had my way - which i won't - i would knock down that awful office building across the road from Bluecoats (the one with the netting on top of it for some reason - probably to stop pigeons pooing all over it, although that might make it look better) and develop that into a retail area. Also Castle Hall can go to make way for a couple on decent big names such as M&S (clothes) or House of Fraser. And while I'm still in power [8D] County Hall can be turned into a mini Bluewater as it is basically a redundant waste of space (or the people in it are anyway!).
Reply ID 53920
Oh my god - I actually agree with Aubend - it's a miracle!!!!!!
Reply ID 53944
Have just returned from a few days away, and on our return we drove through Tiptree. Quite a nice little village with the old Jam factory on the main road. This is until you get to the centre of town and are met by the eyesore that is the Tescos building. Having seen the plans for the building proposed for Hertford they are very similar, a mixture of glass, brick and wood. I really do hope we don't have to put up with a ghastly building in our town [:(] [:(]
Reply ID 53948
quote:The Tiptree supermarket was designed by Saunders Architects, who have an office in Welwyn Garden City. The same company is also responsible for the new Tesco in St.Albans, which was unanimously rejected by the council at the beginning of July.
Originally posted by jjr
Have just returned from a few days away, and on our return we drove through Tiptree. Quite a nice little village with the old Jam factory on the main road. This is until you get to the centre of town and are met by the eyesore that is the Tescos building. Having seen the plans for the building proposed for Hertford they are very similar, a mixture of glass, brick and wood. I really do hope we don't have to put up with a ghastly building in our town [:(] [:(]
Reply ID 53958
Lets hope they reject Hertfords as well it really is ugly
Reply ID 54023
quote:Exactly. It could be anywhere in North London. First we get the Londoners...then the London services.
Originally posted by Frenchiequote:Isnt that the inevitable...
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Great. It looks like any number of roads in North London.
Reply ID 54029
Cor blimey strike a light apples n pears cmon the spurs guvnor.
Reply ID 54034
We don't take kindly to strangers round these parts. Best leave now before the lynch mob is rounded up to chase me out of town!
Reply ID 54037
quote:This is a local town for local people
Originally posted by aubend
Cor blimey strike a light apples n pears cmon the spurs guvnor.
Reply ID 54040
quote:"You can't build a shop here! We only want local shops for local people! [img]http://www.thejim.iofm.net/jpgs/accuse.jpg[/img]
Originally posted by buzzquote:This is a local town for local people
Originally posted by aubend
Cor blimey strike a light apples n pears cmon the spurs guvnor.
Reply ID 54041
quote:I'm outta here! [8D]
Originally posted by buzzquote:This is a local town for local people
Originally posted by aubend
Cor blimey strike a light apples n pears cmon the spurs guvnor.
Reply ID 54050
No, do stay around, for tonight we burn the wicker man...
Reply ID 54057
OK, you lot will have to use your imagination here but there are two signs on Sele Farm: One is on the new footpath from Farm Close to St Joseph's School in North Road that says "Local Shops" The other is in Tudor Way near the site offices for the new houses in Farm Close that says "New houses for Local People" Sele Farm is Royston Vasey!
Reply ID 54063
quote:Golly gosh! Is being local a prerequisite for having a new house? And what's their definition of local? [;)] I'll take a photo tonight [:D]
Originally posted by JohnSmith
The other is in Tudor Way near the site offices for the new houses in Farm Close that says "New houses for Local People" Sele Farm is Royston Vasey!
Reply ID 54068
I've seen those big eared boys on farms.
Reply ID 54073
quote:What a fantastic film (or two films)! One for the Hertford Film Club to show, maybe? Especially as it involves a light aircraft [:D]
Originally posted by dennismoore
No, do stay around, for tonight we burn the wicker man...
Reply ID 54090
Back on topic, what is everyone so angered about? The site is owned by Terry Cohen's family and they will do what they want with the remit allowed. I'd hate it on my doorstep, but I don't have one. It won't happen anyway.
Reply ID 54098
Thanks for bringin this back on-topic, James007. I was searching for this thread earlier in the 'Housing' section...
Reply ID 54101
quote:You are velly welome SallyB. On a more serious note, as I have posted before, the road infrastructure will need to be sorted to cope with the whole project. That may mean a by-pass, which if it hasn't been discussed, I'll start now.
Originally posted by SallyB
Thanks for bringin this back on-topic, James007. I was searching for this thread earlier in the 'Housing' section...
Reply ID 54174
Where would a bypass go? I can only think of a giant flyover.
Reply ID 54176
quote:This subject has been discussed before - there are a couple of archived threads available. http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=396 http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=396 Please start a new thread if you want to continue this discussion. [:)]
Originally posted by steven
Where would a bypass go? I can only think of a giant flyover.
Reply ID 54187
quote:They already have! http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=3718
Originally posted by Admin
Please start a new thread if you want to continue this discussion. [:)]
Reply ID 55389
Planning permission was refused last night according to The Murkury.
Reply ID 55408
Fantastic news imo. But Tesco won't give up. I wonder what'll be next, I can't help but feel that the (old) Police Station site may come back on their radar.
Reply ID 55409
quote:I'm sure Zog will give them a good price!
Originally posted by Jackanapes
Fantastic news imo. But Tesco won't give up. I wonder what'll be next, I can't help but feel that the (old) Police Station site may come back on their radar.
Reply ID 57047
Tesco are appealing the decision to the Planning Inspectorate http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=365724 I'm somewhat surprised by this as the planning decision was both sound and unanimous.
Reply ID 57049
i hope the appeal gets thrown out, hertford does not need a larger store i love all the farmers markets and local produce Hertford is a market town. i am against all these large supermarkets encroaching upon small towns, it is unjust and not necessary!
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quote:Of course, the majority of the new floor space would be things farmers don't sell like frozen food and television...but that doesn't matter does it? :p
Originally posted by gemima124
i hope the appeal gets thrown out, hertford does not need a larger store i love all the farmers markets and local produce Hertford is a market town. i am against all these large supermarkets encroaching upon small towns, it is unjust and not necessary!
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Steve you should not be surprised by appeal most developers (which tesco is)see the local planning process as first step to planning process. They fully expect to get rejected knowing that on appeal only planning law can be applied rather than local feeling of a planning committee which usually more to do with wining votes and not planning
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quote:Never a truer word spoken on this forum.
Originally posted by harebell
Steve you should not be surprised by appeal most developers (which tesco is)see the local planning process as first step to planning process. They fully expect to get rejected knowing that on appeal only planning law can be applied rather than local feeling of a planning committee which usually more to do with wining votes and not planning
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In the latest report to the development control cttee of EHDC, about 42% of decisions that went to appeal were overturned so there is almost an evens chance of Tesco et al getting their plans through
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quote:Given that the Tesco development is not typical of the plans reviewed by the Inspectorate (for EHDC), I would suggest this figure is not a valid guide. Interesting stat though.
Originally posted by Andrew
In the latest report to the development control cttee of EHDC, about 42% of decisions that went to appeal were overturned so there is almost an evens chance of Tesco et al getting their plans through
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Can we get the decision overturned and delayed for a year so that they can have some kind of review/public enquiry - like what Tescos did to Sainsburys.
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has it been appealed then? Last i heard it had been approved? So will they then get the permission revoked like sainsburys did?
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