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29/11/2004 by TVA
Hertford in the national news today
Hertford is a hot topic today. We're featured in The Times (page 13) and The Independent (page 15), and I've heard us mentioned on BBC News 24, BBC Breakfast, BBC Radio 4, Capital FM, and LBC so far this morning.
According to The Times Hertford could be innundated by treasure hunters - perhaps even people seeking the Holy Grail:
"At the heart of the maze of tunnels is Hertford Castle, where in 1309 four Templars from Temple Dinsley near Hitchin were imprisoned after their arrest by Edward II, who believed that they were holding a lost treasure. The treasure was never found."
Cool, eh?
quote:
"The Templars, based in Hertford, are hoping for an apology by 2007, the 700th anniversary of the start of the persecution, which culminated with the torture and burning at the stake of the Grand Master Jacques de Molay for heresy and the dissolution of the Order by apostolic decree in 1312."
- The Times (UK), The last crusade of the Templars, p 13, 29 November 2004.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1379629,00.html
"The Hertfordshire-based group, one of thousands of Templar lodges around the world, is hopeful of a satisfactory outcome. "There have been some unofficial responses over the telephone and we have received certain indications from officials within the church that leaves us hopeful that an apology might be forthcoming," said a member of the order."
- The Independent (UK), Knights Templar seek papal apology for 700 years of persecution, p 15, 29 November 2004.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=587769
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Reply ID 2603
29/11/2004 by Kate
quote:
Originally posted by TVA
Hertford is a hot topic today. We're featured in The Times (page 13) and The Independent (page 15), and I've heard us mentioned on BBC News 24, BBC Breakfast, BBC Radio 4, Capital FM, and LBC so far this morning.
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You have quite an eclectic taste in newspapers, radio stations & television channels for one morning! You must have been very lucky to have happened to have the right channel on to hear the story on all of them!
Reply ID 2614
29/11/2004 by 01-mike
funny I was thinking the same thing!
Reply ID 2617
30/11/2004 by TVA
One simply has a healthy appetite for current affairs. I read most of the world's newspapers every day. I thought the list of media outlets that I cited above was relatively modest!
Reply ID 2624
30/11/2004 by Spotty Dog
If TVA is indeed Tim Acheson, then one would suggest that the eclectic taste in newspapers and other media comes primarily from the agencies that his story was sold to.....
Sorry Tim, have I spoilt your fun? Or is my understanding of the media naive, and you actually control it all?
Come on, tell the truth!
(By the way, are you also the editor of the Mercury?)
Reply ID 2627
30/11/2004 by TVA
You mean the Tim Acheson?! [:0]
The Times article in question, which explains the significance to the Templar's of the number thirteen, was printed on page 13. Is anybody influential enough to manipulate the media to that extent?
Reply ID 2632
01/12/2004 by smileyoriley
Even I can confirm that Tim is NOT the Editor of The Mercury :-)
Reply ID 2638
02/12/2004 by Spotty Dog
So smiley, can you confirm this because YOU are the editor? Is that why most of the stuff that appears on these forums appears a week later in the Mercury?
The Mercury moves to the Ware road, and just after, Fore street has "roadworks" on? Come on Tim, admit it - you were having a new tunnel built from Lussmans to The new office weren't you?
Reply ID 2642
02/12/2004 by TVA
Ah, yes, the secret roadworks of Fore Street!
N.B. When I mentioned the article being on page 13, I was referring to The Times newspaper on Monday.
Reply ID 2650
02/12/2004 by smileyoriley
Hehe no I am not the Editor :-) If only, then perhaps we could liven it all up a bit - anybody notice how dire it has become? They do however have a new bigwig there that might raise the bar a little
Reply ID 2655
02/12/2004 by Joby
quote:
Originally posted by smileyoriley
Hehe no I am not the Editor :-) If only, then perhaps we could liven it all up a bit - anybody notice how dire it has become? They do however have a new bigwig there that might raise the bar a little
I agree - it has been rubbish lately. All adverts and photos of the mayor. Even the letters page is dull - that used to be the best bit, all too political now. We need less whinging from intellectual Bengeo types about the EU etc. and more complaints about how "it would never have been like this in my day, the youth of today blah blah."
In its defence, rolled up, it makes an excellent firelighter.
Reply ID 2663
02/12/2004 by Ewoowar
Will the real editor of The Mercury please stand up.
Reply ID 2678
03/12/2004 by Bengeobabe
quote:
Originally posted by Joby
quote:
Originally posted by smileyoriley
Hehe no I am not the Editor :-) If only, then perhaps we could liven it all up a bit - anybody notice how dire it has become? They do however have a new bigwig there that might raise the bar a little
I agree - it has been rubbish lately. All adverts and photos of the mayor. Even the letters page is dull - that used to be the best bit, all too political now. We need less whinging from intellectual Bengeo types about the EU etc. and more complaints about how "it would never have been like this in my day, the youth of today blah blah."
In its defence, rolled up, it makes an excellent firelighter.
Leave us intellectual bengeo types alone...
Reply ID 2687
03/12/2004 by Joby
quote:
Originally posted by Bengeobabe
quote:
Originally posted by Joby
quote:
Originally posted by smileyoriley
Hehe no I am not the Editor :-) If only, then perhaps we could liven it all up a bit - anybody notice how dire it has become? They do however have a new bigwig there that might raise the bar a little
I agree - it has been rubbish lately. All adverts and photos of the mayor. Even the letters page is dull - that used to be the best bit, all too political now. We need less whinging from intellectual Bengeo types about the EU etc. and more complaints about how "it would never have been like this in my day, the youth of today blah blah."
In its defence, rolled up, it makes an excellent firelighter.
Leave us intellectual bengeo types alone...
Don't tell me that you are "Concerned Eurosceptic, Duncombe Road", Bengeobabe?
[;)]
Reply ID 2689
03/12/2004 by Spotty Dog
quote:
Originally posted by Joby
quote:
Originally posted by smileyoriley
Hehe no I am not the Editor :-) If only, then perhaps we could liven it all up a bit - anybody notice how dire it has become? They do however have a new bigwig there that might raise the bar a little
In its defence, rolled up, it makes an excellent firelighter.
You are right, it does make an excellent firelighter! Particulary page 13 [:)]
Reply ID 2695
03/12/2004 by TVA
Going back to the topic at hand, is there a valid case for an apology? What is the opinion of the learned users of this forum?
Vatican records recently emerged vindicating the Templars. This has been widely reported:
"The revelation will put pressure on the present Pope, who has asked the Muslim world for forgiveness for the Crusades, to apologise for the persecution of one of the main Crusading orders as well."
- The Times, 30 March 2002.
Vatican file shows pope pardoned massacred Knights
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-252124,00.html
Reply ID 2700
03/12/2004 by wingnut
Could you post a bit more info about the Knights Templar..Why are they still relevant today..I thought they were set up to protect followers of the crusades..is Bush a member? seriously I do find it interesting
Reply ID 2701
03/12/2004 by TVA
Interesting point, wingnut. Bush frequently refers to the current campaign in the Middle East and the wider "war on terror" as a "Crusade", as does the Western news media. Many people on both sides of the conflict think of it it these terms.
E.g.:
"This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a long time"
"I want to remind the American people that the prime suspect's [Osama Bin Laden] organisation is in a lot of countries," Mr Bush told reporters on the White House lawn.
- BBC News, America widens 'crusade' on terror
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1547561.stm
However, the medieval Crusades are now almost universally regarded by historians as a mistake. The Templars are reputed to have found common ground with Islam. Perhaps their greatest relevance today is to help us remember important lessons from the past.
Reply ID 2732
05/12/2004 by Bengeobabe
no joby, that's not me!!
Reply ID 2783
07/12/2004 by TVA
Returning to the original topic of this thread, the top international Catholic newspaper, The Tablet, also featured a piece on the recent news from Hertford:
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0732
Hertford also gets a mention on the front page of this week's Catholic Herald.
Reply ID 2795
07/12/2004 by TVA
I began this thread with a quote from an article in The Times which mentions the fact that the lost "treasure" of the Templars is thought to be in Hertford:
... “At the heart of the maze of tunnels is Hertford Castle, where in 1309 four Templars from Temple Dinsley near Hitchin were imprisoned after their arrest by Edward II, who believed that they were holding a lost treasure. The treasure was never found.”
... - The Times, 29 Nov 2004, page 13.
Hertfordshire is the only location suggested by the historical record. Yet in a few days a big new Hollywood movie will be released in which at least some of the famous lost treasure of the Templar's was taken to the USA and is hidden there in locations known only to a chosen few:
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0733
Either this is another case like U-571 in which Hollywood rewrites history to make America look good:
... "The film portrays the capture of the Enigma coding machine from a Nazi submarine - an event which changed the course of World War II - as an American rather than British, operation."
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0733
Or Herts has some genuine competition!
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