Topic ID 3354
All of Hertford's local residents, who value Folly Island we need your help, Sainsbury's have submitted a proposal to Hertford Council to cut down the 100 year old listed willow trees on a Conservation Area, and build a footbridge to their store, which is completely pointless. This area is a home to Coots, Swans and Geese, also fishman and families enjoy this area. There is an endless list of objections some of which are outlined below:- There are many reasons why this bridge should not happen and we have already began exploring them in some detail and I am very concerned that Sainsbury's are trying to remove trees from land that doesn’t belong to them - when Tesco were not allowed to remove trees (of less interest) on their own plot of land as part of their Ware Road development in Hertford - and the council has already set a precedent in this respect. Environmental Impact The proposed impact on a delicate and biodiverse ecosystem that includes many protected species will be catastrophic, a number of influential charities and NGOs take a keen interest in what is a beautiful area - the proposal to remove several trees which have been in place for over 100 years is ridiculous. There are a number of organisations who would not take kindly to this happening, and one need only to look at what has happened in previous cases such as this - there is the potential for massive reputational risk to Sainsbury's and to PPS group. ASBO Impact The bridge and "narrow footpath" will provide an excellent arena for anti-social behaviour, which is silly given the already excellent access to your proposed store - what provisions are Sainsbury's going to make for the time when the store is closed, and who will be liable if someone falls in the river and is seriously maimed or killed (as has happened in the past) - will Sainsbury's or PPS group be liable for what would be substantial damages? Structural Impact The fabric of Coopers Court and the island called 'Little Hartham' will be placed under threat, not to mention the fact that the bridge will have to meet the approval of English Heritage given its close proximity to a Grade II* listed property and other buildings of significant historical interest. English Heritage are very interested in maintaining the historical beauty of this market town. Your tin bridge proposal is utterly ridiculous River Impact The area is frequented by barges and recreational craft, how would this bridge cater for them and allow suitable access - Inland Waterways have already rejected a proposal for a bridge in the locality - I should also mention the number of canoes that require access to that part of the river, have you informed the local club of your intentions. I should also mention that Sainsbury's proposed landscaping is ludicrous for an area of such natural beauty, this is not Burger King on the M4! If anyone would like to see the plans, I will be happy to email them over to you, Let's stop this barbaric bridge. These large superstores are trying to ruin our lovely town centres, like ours. If you would also like to send Sainsbury's and email, to indicate your views against it, please email [email protected] Let's stick together on this on fight them all the way!!
Reply ID 48330
Do you mean they've submitted a planning application to East Herts District Council? If so, it's not been published yet. Is this the area commonly known as Little Hartham?
Reply ID 48331
Yes, we have received the proposed plans and paperwork from Sainsbury's. If you would like to see them email me at frecklesanddimples(at)hotmail.co.uk
Reply ID 48349
I believe the bridge is not to the store, but from it and requested as a link to the town, rather than being Sainsbury's wish. Personally, I feel this area lost its amenity appeal anyway once Cooper's yard was developed and it became surrounded and overlooked by apartments.
Reply ID 48350
The bridge is proposed to be installed for two-and-fro usage. Coopers Court is behind shrubs and bushes and isn't an eyesore, however to have a complete open space, no trees, loads of litter, council scum bags is, so we need to STOP Sainsburys. I hope that each of you, who have read this thread and walk into town, try and pass Little Hartham and see what a beauty spot in the Town Centre we have, we cannot let Sainsbury's ruin it!!
Reply ID 48357
quote:[?] please could you clarify that part Fashion Victim.
council scum bags
Reply ID 48358
I'm confused. How does this bridge and footpath offer opportunites for anti social behaviour any more than other areas? Is there more opportunity here for anti social behaviour than down the footpath by the Old Barge? And what is the issue with falling in the river and being killed? Is this due to alcohol or drug abuse? And why should Sainsbury's, the planners, the residents or anyone else be liable? And what argument is there of structural, environmental and cultural impact when Coopers Court itself is one of three modern housing developments to go up on Folly Island in the last fifteen years or so? Don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive of maintaining the beauty and heritage of Hertford but I do not understand the reasons you are putting forward in your first post and why you use language such as council scum bags without context. Clearly you are very passionate about this and so there must be strong reasons for your arguments. I would appreciate it if you could email the plans and proposals so that I can fully understand what it is you are concerned about.
Reply ID 48361
quote:Agreed. Thank you for phrasing it more eloquently. In the time I've known Hertford I've seen The Folly change from a historic area of mixed affordable housing and small commerce to a twee, over-developed pastiche of itself. It's hardly a museum piece anymore.
Originally posted by 2929paul
I'm confused. How does this bridge and footpath offer opportunites for anti social behaviour any more than other areas? Is there more opportunity here for anti social behaviour than down the footpath by the Old Barge? And what is the issue with falling in the river and being killed? Is this due to alcohol or drug abuse? And why should Sainsbury's, the planners, the residents or anyone else be liable? And what argument is there of structural, environmental and cultural impact when Coopers Court itself is one of three modern housing developments to go up on Folly Island in the last fifteen years or so? Don't get me wrong, I am fully supportive of maintaining the beauty and heritage of Hertford but I do not understand the reasons you are putting forward in your first post and why you use language such as council scum bags without context. Clearly you are very passionate about this and so there must be strong reasons for your arguments. I would appreciate it if you could email the plans and proposals so that I can fully understand what it is you are concerned about.
Reply ID 48369
I am very passionate about this area being even more exposed and developed on, all for one footpath to a Sainsbury's that 1. Is not needed and 2. Not wanted but most residents. If you would like to help in the matter, then please do. I'm happy to email the plans over.
Reply ID 48375
i'm for the bridge but not for sainsbury what do i do???? maybe admin could get these plans onto this forum?
Reply ID 48391
Given that we are due for a major retail development of some kind in Hertford, Sainsbury's looks like the better option. The bridge is to connect the store and it's car parks to the town center shops. Preventing any change is a loser. Controlling it, adapting it and directing it's impact is far more effective. The original opposition to Tesco failed because it attempted an absolute "no".
Reply ID 48394
Would you feel any different if you lived on Folly Island shunt?
Reply ID 48395
quote:Ouch! FV, You've just alienated an awful lot of people! [:)] Trees: really, really must stay. Part of the town, the environment and a good reason to walk more and enjoy the beauty around us. No trees = bald, soul destroying, hard environment, higher erosion levels if on or close to a river bank , less nature, less 'countryside' feeling which is why I moved here in the first place. Landscaping: really should be sensitive if it happens at all - using plans already in existnace close to the site, not new 'garden centre' plants - and not brain-dead and banal. Bridge: these can be beautiful, Sainsbury's makes enough money to provide a beautiful bridge (think of the famous in on Central Park). I'm all for keeping foot traffic in the centre of town, maintaining river access & use. Think that the rowdiness may always be a thorny issue when proposing a link between the town & Folly Islad. People can fall into the river already so maybe having a safety argument against the bridge isn't going to be considered. Or worse, cause the river to haverailings put in all along it's banks.
Originally posted by Forbesquote:[?] please could you clarify that part Fashion Victim.
council scum bags
Reply ID 48401
quote:I do own property in the immediate vicinity, as it happens, but I consider myself a resident of Hertford, since I use all it's facilities, enjoy all it's ambience, use all it's roads and footpaths.
Originally posted by Sargasso
Would you feel any different if you lived on Folly Island shunt?
Reply ID 48413
Not having seen the plans I cannot comment in detail, but a few observations: Coots, Swans and Geese are very adaptable and will not be put off by a bridge, The geese indeed are intoduced aliens that can do much harm through overgrazing and the depositing of considerable amounts of waste. Little Hartham is a tucked away dead end as as such is already used for "gatherings", through traffic across the site might actually reduce that. Can you say what special environmental factors and species are covered here? "The proposed impact on a delicate and biodiverse ecosystem that includes many protected species will be catastrophic, a number of influential charities and NGOs take a keen interest in what is a beautiful area - the proposal to remove several trees which have been in place for over 100 years is ridiculous" A bridge linking to Folly Islands for pedestrians from the Old Cross end of town sounds like a good idea, cutting off a big corner. Willow trees have very long root systems and so any footings for a bridge need to take account of their ability to undermine a considerable ditance from their trunks. Having said that it would be sad to loose the greebery in this area.
Reply ID 48427
It's also a great spot for crayfish catching - just use a chunk of bacon on a hook. Fab cooked for lunch in the summer [:)]
Reply ID 48433
quote:Nothing a little semtex couldn't solve [;)]
Originally posted by Fashion Victim
build a footbridge to their store, which is completely pointless.
Reply ID 48456
Folks I think this discussion has gone off at a tangent. Sainburys want to cut down three wonderful trees (on land that they do not own) so they can build an ugly tin bridge (the bridge is their idea), in an area of beauty that is used by a plethora of people, from families to fishermen. This bridge will mean that shoppers can get to their proposed store (from town) about one minute quicker than walking up Thornton Street - it is a purely commercial idea, and they want to replace these beautiful trees with landscaping that would be more suitable for a McDonalds. There are people on here, who like arguing for the sake of arguing and sometimes that can be fun, but one of the reasons we like Hertford is because it has a number of independent shops (such as the great deli), a regular market and beautiful old buildings and green space - all of which are under serious threat - and I have not even mentioned the fact that in my view we dont have the infrastructure in place to support this development. Steve - I am happy to email you the plans if you let me have an address.
Reply ID 48457
can someone please put these plans on this thread? i'm for the bridge but what is it gonna look like?
Reply ID 48459
quote:We have, however, allowed numerous residential developments such as Coopers Court and that has indeed led to the infrastructure being strained. Tesco store was once seen as ridiculously oversized and now overtrading. There will be retail development in Hertford. The only question is whether we repeat the same mistake of allowing it to be concentrated in one place, or balance the current site with a competitor at the other end of town. The bridge is proposed by Sainsbury, because they know one objection may be that they could take footfall from the town center streets and it's small traders. It is unrealistic to allow new residential development and then refuse the services needed to serve the increased occupancy. I too preferred this site as it was, but it's not as it was, because of developments like Coopers court.
Originally posted by OldCross
Folks I think this discussion has gone off at a tangent. Sainburys want to cut down three wonderful trees (on land that they do not own) so they can build an ugly tin bridge (the bridge is their idea), in an area of beauty that is used by a plethora of people, from families to fishermen. This bridge will mean that shoppers can get to their proposed store (from town) about one minute quicker than walking up Thornton Street - it is a purely commercial idea, and they want to replace these beautiful trees with landscaping that would be more suitable for a McDonalds. There are people on here, who like arguing for the sake of arguing and sometimes that can be fun, but one of the reasons we like Hertford is because it has a number of independent shops (such as the great deli), a regular market and beautiful old buildings and green space - all of which are under serious threat - and I have not even mentioned the fact that in my view we dont have the infrastructure in place to support this development. Steve - I am happy to email you the plans if you let me have an address.
Reply ID 48461
quote:If the bridge were being requested by residents of Cooper's Court, then maybe your argument would hold, but it isn't - it's a Sainsburys idea. I don't imagine it's even wanted by the so-called "increased occupancy" residents of Coopers Court, so they are hardly being refused services.
Originally posted by shunt
The bridge is proposed by Sainsbury, because they know one objection may be that they could take footfall from the town center streets and it's small traders. It is unrealistic to allow new residential development and then refuse the services needed to serve the increased occupancy.
quote:Nothing is as it was, so your argument gives the green light to develop anywhere. Funny how in one thread you can protest against development on green space (Balfour Street cutting) and totally support it in another.
I too preferred this site as it was, but it's not as it was, because of developments like Coopers court.
Reply ID 48480
quote:Do the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few? The loss of the green space at Balfour St to housing would have an adverse effect beyond just a few residents being miffed and benefit very few. It would also lend weight to the argument for another supermarket. However, the area we are discussing here has been radically altered in both appearance and use, solely to benefit private development who's residents complain about it being used for what it was used for before they were there,(a meeting place for younger members of the community). Similar developments created demand for the facilities proposed by both supermarket chains. Cause and effect. I was merely pointing to the irony of living in a newly developed area and simultaneously complaining when facilities are added to compensate for incresed population. If you want Hertford as a museum, don't buy new property. I don't like the thought of supermarket expansion, or the bridge, but Hertford has expanded to the point when a lack of one is what is out of character with it's demographics. I can't turn back time. We are, where we are.
Originally posted by Jobyquote:If the bridge were being requested by residents of Cooper's Court, then maybe your argument would hold, but it isn't - it's a Sainsburys idea. I don't imagine it's even wanted by the so-called "increased occupancy" residents of Coopers Court, so they are hardly being refused services.
Originally posted by shunt
The bridge is proposed by Sainsbury, because they know one objection may be that they could take footfall from the town center streets and it's small traders. It is unrealistic to allow new residential development and then refuse the services needed to serve the increased occupancy.quote:Nothing is as it was, so your argument gives the green light to develop anywhere. Funny how in one thread you can protest against development on green space (Balfour Street cutting) and totally support it in another.
I too preferred this site as it was, but it's not as it was, because of developments like Coopers court.
Reply ID 48487
What was Coopers Court before the development Shunt?
Reply ID 48489
quote:It was a coachbuilders called Cooper's. Doesn't sound attractive, I know, but it performed the function of separating the river from residential property, thus providing a secluded area suitable for what has become known as "gatherings". Of course, 30-40 years ago a group of young people meeting to talk about things their parents wouldn't want to hear and do things they wouldn't want to witness, was considered just normal. Now it's ASBO territory. The area was less manicured then and felt less oppressively watched.
Originally posted by nuts
What was Coopers Court before the development Shunt?
Reply ID 48501
As I recall, as you entered Folly Island, the first housing you came to was not until after the Old Barge car park. Coopers Court was, as shunt says, Coopers Signs and Coachworks. The light industrial units that remain next to it have been there for years. And next to them was a roofing company, the name of which is...on the tip of my tongue. Then there was the passage way to the car park, on which Steven Oates has now developed. The history of Folly Island is actually one of light industry with residential filling in the spaces. Recent changes (all over the town) have been made to accomodate population growth and a move in the demographic towards younger couples working in London. I suggest that Sainsbury's would view their bridge as pandering to the needs of a modern society that wants the convenience of a short walk to the town centre to finish off their shopping, rather than having to go all around the houses. I haven't seen the plans and proposals yet but when I do, I can make a better informed comment.
Reply ID 48638
I think we need to focus on the issue at hand here. Sainsburys (for purely commercial reasons) want to build a tin bridge over what is a lovely stretch of river, the fallout from this is that they want to remove a number of beautiful old trees that have been around for longer than many (if not all) of us. This will comprimise the view from Mill Bridge onto Folly Island and also sets a dangerous precedent. These trees are on land that is not owned by Sainsbury's, The Tesco in Ware Road was not allowed to remove trees on its own land - so before long we will have people applying to remove trees near advertising hoardings to maximise the potential viewers (an extreme example I admit). If you are a Sainsbury's shareholder then back this proposal as this move may add a miniscule amount to the bottom line of the business. If you value what is left of this town's identity - and yes Shunt we can all hark back to the days when there were fields as far as the eye can see, but please dont miss the point, and the future ramifications.
Reply ID 48643
I still haven't seen the plans for this. Where are they published?
Reply ID 48653
quote:I think we probably all need to look further at this. Is the bridge to be tin? Sounds like a very expensive materials option to me.[:D] Without knowing what the bridge looks like (it's possible to influence that) it can't be stated that the view from the Wash will be compromised. The view in either direction includes a bridge, from a bridge. Sainsbury would prefer not to include the extra expense of the bridge in it's plans, but have done so to stave of critism of taking (or not adding to) town center trade. It has little bearing on Sainsbury's own trade as the proposed carparks are on the Sainsbury side of the river, so it would benefit them not to have a bridge. In fact they are probably hoping local opposition will give them a get out and that plan is working very well it seems. I don't think one needs to be a shareholder to prefer the Sainsbury plan to the alternatives, if viewing Hertford as a whole, rather than at macro level. That it is Sainsbury is not important. That it is a competitor, is.
Originally posted by OldCross
I think we need to focus on the issue at hand here. Sainsburys (for purely commercial reasons) want to build a tin bridge over what is a lovely stretch of river, the fallout from this is that they want to remove a number of beautiful old trees that have been around for longer than many (if not all) of us. This will comprimise the view from Mill Bridge onto Folly Island and also sets a dangerous precedent. These trees are on land that is not owned by Sainsbury's, The Tesco in Ware Road was not allowed to remove trees on its own land - so before long we will have people applying to remove trees near advertising hoardings to maximise the potential viewers (an extreme example I admit). If you are a Sainsbury's shareholder then back this proposal as this move may add a miniscule amount to the bottom line of the business. If you value what is left of this town's identity - and yes Shunt we can all hark back to the days when there were fields as far as the eye can see, but please dont miss the point, and the future ramifications.
Reply ID 48718
quote:Sorry Shunt, I was with you part of the way, but not sure if I am following your drift on this one.. can you elaberate?
I don't think one needs to be a shareholder to prefer the Sainsbury plan to the alternatives, if viewing Hertford as a whole, rather than at macro level. That it is Sainsbury is not important. That it is a competitor, is.
Reply ID 48719
Hertford has spare capacity in bulk supermarkets. There will be either a bigger Tesco or the Sainsbury plan. To try to stop any development at all will mean it goes to appeal and we lose control altogether (as in the original Tesco). Far better to try to modify the plans to the advantage of the town as a whole. In this case, the Sainsbury plan balances the town geographically, and uses a redundant industrial site and the two supermarkets will keep each other keen to please. We have leverage both at the planning stage and for evermore.
Reply ID 48720
Gotcha, thanx
Reply ID 48722
Can anyone show me where they have addressed the traffic issue?
Reply ID 48731
Hertford faces the problem of increased traffic including big lorries on small roads. It seems that no consideration is given to practical problems caused by new developments.
Reply ID 48735
Please discuss Sainsbury's planned store on the appropriate thread... http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=3369 This thread is for discussion about the proposed bridge. I've also changed the thread subject to something more meaningful, rather than "Hertford Residents Need Help", which is an opinion rather than a subject.
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Reply ID 48742
So it doesn't look like any trees are being removed to put the bridge in? It actually looks like quite a neat idea; at the moment the area on the Folly Island side is kind-of neglected anyhow, and the Macmullens side is just derelict (er, naturally...).
Reply ID 48749
Obviously residents of Coopers Court will be a bit miffed to lose somewhere which they like to think of as their own little garden, but the bridge itself is not such a bad idea, I think. The big question is how it looks. Since Sainsbury is only providing it as a sweetener, they may not have put much budget aside. From the drawings it looks like a standard steel chassis, much as the bridges opposite the swimming pool and at the wier. What is not clear is the finish of the handrail ballisters and footway. This is an area that public comment could influence. Galvanised steel will look pretty cruddy as will standard corporation lampost grey. Should it be clad in wood, painted black, pseudo victorian? Any ideas folks? Bear in mind it's not very big and next to a housing development which is recent contempory.
Reply ID 48775
Would this kill the bridge between Nicholas Lane and Dolphin Yard?
Reply ID 48778
The proposed bridge between Nicholas Lane and Dolphin Yard was rejected by Inland Waterways some time ago - they said that they would only accept a lifting bridge. The lifting bridge would have cost £250K plus maintenance (at that time) so the idea was canned.
Reply ID 48779
quote:I don't understand this obsession with the council wanting to build bridges. The council seem to see the fact that there is a river through town as a hindrance to trade. But if the river was not there would the town be full to the brim with shoppers? Of course it wouldn't. Welwyn, Brookfield, Harlow etc all have far 'better' shopping centres. There's no point building a bridge unless there is something at the other end of it worth getting to (Before you bite my head off and say there are plenty of good independent retailers etc, I know the are - but the town has always struggled and this bridge won't change that as the perception is that there are not enough 'big' names to attract out of town high net worth shopping trips) The council over the years has contrived to bastardise this town enough with its ham fisted attempts at 'modernising' such as Bircheley Green, Castle Hall, Riviere, Gascoigne Way etc. So how the hell building a poxy little foot bridge is going to solve everything is beyond me.
Originally posted by 2929paul
Would this kill the bridge between Nicholas Lane and Dolphin Yard?
Reply ID 48780
quote:I agree entirely with your comments about Bircherly Green and Castle Hall, but not paragragh two. I think Hertford has a very good town center which is worth visiting BECAUSE it is unlike Hatfield, Welwyn and Harlow. However, the reality is that very few walk all the way from their front door to the shop. What is more likely is that they will drive to the easiest parking area and walk the rest, as long as it's not too far. The bridge is intended to shorten that walk, so that shoppers are less likely to fill the boot with Sainsbury goods and just go straight home, without sampling the delights of the town.
Originally posted by aubendquote:I don't understand this obsession with the council wanting to build bridges. The council seem to see the fact that there is a river through town as a hindrance to trade. But if the river was not there would the town be full to the brim with shoppers? Of course it wouldn't. Welwyn, Brookfield, Harlow etc all have far 'better' shopping centres. There's no point buidling a bridge unless there is something at the other end of it worth getting to. The council over the years has contrived to bastardise this town enough with its ham fisted attempts at 'modernising' such as Bircheley Green, Castle Hall, Riviere, Gascoigne Way etc. So how the hell building a poxy little foot bridge is going to solve everything is beyond me.
Originally posted by 2929paul
Would this kill the bridge between Nicholas Lane and Dolphin Yard?
Reply ID 48783
quote:In a way you have stumbled on the whole crux of this matter... The council want Sainsburys to come into the town, but don't want people to just shop there so a piddly little bridge is their solution? Are people really going to think "Hmmm, I can get all my shopping cheaper in one place, or I could traipse across that shiny little bridge and wander around lots of little shops to get the same things a bit more expensively"? Surely the solution is the cause... DON"T BUILD THE BLEEDING SAINBURYS - then the argument for and against the bridge becomes irrelevent!
Originally posted by shunt
I agree entirely with your comments about Bircherly Green and Castle Hall, but not paragragh two. I think Hertford has a very good town center which is worth visiting BECAUSE it is unlike Hatfield, Welwyn and Harlow. However, the reality is that very few walk all the way from their front door to the shop. What is more likely is that they will drive to the easiest parking area and walk the rest, as long as it's not too far. The bridge is intended to shorten that walk, so that shoppers are less likely to fill the boot with Sainsbury goods and just go straight home, without sampling the delights of the town.
Reply ID 48785
quote:...and head off to Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City or Hatfield instead. Not much of a solution for someone who might be trying to make a dry cleaners, cafe, pub, or art shop pay in Hertford.
Originally posted by aubendquote:In a way you have stumbled on the whole crux of this matter... The council want Sainsburys to come into the town, but don't want people to just shop there so a piddly little bridge is their solution? Are people really going to think "Hmmm, I can get all my shopping cheaper in one place, or I could traipse across that shiny little bridge and wander around lots of little shops to get the same things a bit more expensively"? Surely the solution is the cause... DON"T BUILD THE BLEEDING SAINBURYS - then the argument for and against the bridge becomes irrelevent!
Originally posted by shunt
I agree entirely with your comments about Bircherly Green and Castle Hall, but not paragragh two. I think Hertford has a very good town center which is worth visiting BECAUSE it is unlike Hatfield, Welwyn and Harlow. However, the reality is that very few walk all the way from their front door to the shop. What is more likely is that they will drive to the easiest parking area and walk the rest, as long as it's not too far. The bridge is intended to shorten that walk, so that shoppers are less likely to fill the boot with Sainsbury goods and just go straight home, without sampling the delights of the town.
Reply ID 48786
quote:A bit like they do at present. Have you seen where the footbridge is in relation to the new store? Unless they put up a HUGE sign with flashing neon letters proclaiming that the "bridge to the town centre is this way", a loud klaxon and members of Sainsbury's management ushering shoppers towards it I can see it as being nothing more than a white elephant.
Originally posted by shunt
...and head off to Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City or Hatfield instead. Not much of a solution for someone who might be trying to make a dry cleaners, cafe, pub, or art shop pay in Hertford.
Reply ID 48788
quote:Works both ways though. If you're visiting the town centre it'll make it alot easiet to get to Sainsbury's.
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:A bit like they do at present. Have you seen where the footbridge is in relation to the new store? Unless they put up a HUGE sign with flashing neon letters proclaiming that the "bridge to the town centre is this way", a loud klaxon and members of Sainsbury's management ushering shoppers towards it I can see it as being nothing more than a white elephant.
Originally posted by shunt
...and head off to Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City or Hatfield instead. Not much of a solution for someone who might be trying to make a dry cleaners, cafe, pub, or art shop pay in Hertford.
Reply ID 48790
quote:Plenty walk from the Hartham car park through the Folly. It's hardly a route easily guessed. In fact, a stranger probably would struggle to find the car park in the first place.[:D] Sainsbury isn't just a store, but a car park. Both will be mainly used by Hertford residents.
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:A bit like they do at present. Have you seen where the footbridge is in relation to the new store? Unless they put up a HUGE sign with flashing neon letters proclaiming that the "bridge to the town centre is this way", a loud klaxon and members of Sainsbury's management ushering shoppers towards it I can see it as being nothing more than a white elephant.
Originally posted by shunt
...and head off to Hatfield, Welwyn Garden City or Hatfield instead. Not much of a solution for someone who might be trying to make a dry cleaners, cafe, pub, or art shop pay in Hertford.
Reply ID 49098
quote:I have spoken to Sainbury's about the bridge on several occasions and it is NOT their idea. I can't say a lot more because I don't represent Sainsbury's. Chris Harris from PPS Group is the man to speak to. If you want the facts you can contact him on 0800 234 6399 or email chris.harris[at]ppsgroup.co.uk
Sainburys want to cut down three wonderful trees (on land that they do not own) so they can build an ugly tin bridge (the bridge is their idea)
The bridge is proposed by Sainsbury, because they know one objection may be that they could take footfall from the town center streets and it's small traders.
If the bridge were being requested by residents of Cooper's Court, then maybe your argument would hold, but it isn't - it's a Sainsburys idea.
Reply ID 49511
You only have until next Friday (29th) to submit your objections - so if you feel strongly then get writing!
Reply ID 49512
OldCross much as I have a great deal of sympathy with your cause (I live behind the proposed site dammit) I cant but help thinking that repeating the same post on virtually every thread on the forum may not help your argument. I think we now know how long we have to make a comment ..
Reply ID 49526
Thats looks like a good design in my eyes. Looks like the main trees are untouched. I would rather see a dolphin yard to old cross bridge to a Folly Island to Sainsbury bridge, but its better than nothing at all.