Topic ID 3309
Is it just me if do alot of drivers not read road markings? I was drving over to Ware today along Gascoyne way. I was in the left hand lane to Ware and there was a white van in the right hand lane. He decided to cut me up and go to Ware rather than carry on the A414!! I beeped my horn... and he had the cheek to sign me hand signals out of his window... what a T****R Moan over!
Reply ID 47502
Yep many drivers don't read road markings & don't bother to indicate. Sigh...
Reply ID 47509
quote:That's not a case of not reading the road signs... That's not knowing lane position 101, something you're tested on in the theory and when you have to navigate a roundabout. Anything left of a straight line going over the roadabout, you should be in the left hand lane. But then again, you did say the magic words: "White Van"... rules don't apply to them you see ;)
Originally posted by GillP
Is it just me if do alot of drivers not read road markings? I was drving over to Ware today along Gascoyne way. I was in the left hand lane to Ware and there was a white van in the right hand lane. He decided to cut me up and go to Ware rather than carry on the A414!! I beeped my horn... and he had the cheek to sign me hand signals out of his window... what a T****R Moan over!
Reply ID 47512
quote:Without excusing the driver or his rudeness, if it had been usual roundabout rules, he would not have been in a wrong lane, because he was going straight on. However, many roundabouts are adapted by roadmarkings and alterations to standard rules which means drivers are staring at the road right in front of them trying to work out where they are being diverted to, rather than concentrating on furthest point and setting positioning up in advance. These days, you almost need to know a roundabout off by heart to accurately follow instructions which appear only briefly under the car in front. One of the problems with this particular roundabout is that to go straight on, you enter in the left lane and have to move into the right lane immediately on exit. It's a recipe for collisions.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:That's not a case of not reading the road signs... That's not knowing lane position 101, something you're tested on in the theory and when you have to navigate a roundabout. Anything left of a straight line going over the roadabout, you should be in the left hand lane. But then again, you did say the magic words: "White Van"... rules don't apply to them you see ;)
Originally posted by GillP
Is it just me if do alot of drivers not read road markings? I was drving over to Ware today along Gascoyne way. I was in the left hand lane to Ware and there was a white van in the right hand lane. He decided to cut me up and go to Ware rather than carry on the A414!! I beeped my horn... and he had the cheek to sign me hand signals out of his window... what a T****R Moan over!
Reply ID 47516
As is coming down London Road from the A10. The left hand lane is signed for left turns only onto Gascoyne Way with the right hand lane used for all routes. I've given up driving in the right hand lane and turning left as there are too many people who use the left hand lane and want to go straight on. Everything you were taught when learning to drive goes out of the window.
Reply ID 47554
quote:Actually Brockman - in that case it is not reading the signs There are lots of signs on that roundabout telling you wich lane to be in.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:That's not a case of not reading the road signs... That's not knowing lane position 101, something you're tested on in the theory and when you have to navigate a roundabout. Anything left of a straight line going over the roadabout, you should be in the left hand lane. But then again, you did say the magic words: "White Van"... rules don't apply to them you see ;)
Originally posted by GillP
Is it just me if do alot of drivers not read road markings? I was drving over to Ware today along Gascoyne way. I was in the left hand lane to Ware and there was a white van in the right hand lane. He decided to cut me up and go to Ware rather than carry on the A414!! I beeped my horn... and he had the cheek to sign me hand signals out of his window... what a T****R Moan over!
Reply ID 47555
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338 First Exit Left = Left hand lane Exit to the right or full circle = right hand lane Any intermediate exit = select appropriate lane UNLESS ROAD MARKINGS AND/OR SIGNS INDICATE OTHERWISE What really gets me is that people insist on using the right hand lane for the second exit on a roundabout because it is ever so slightly to the right - just because that is what they believe the highway code says.
Reply ID 47558
quote:I must admit I am guilty of this as I was led to believe if the exit is after 12 o'clock then you use the right hand lane.
Originally posted by jez_p
What really gets me is that people insist on using the right hand lane for the second exit on a roundabout because it is ever so slightly to the right - just because that is what they believe the highway code says.
Reply ID 47595
Sorry Willow - don't take offence - 99% of the time it is not a problem.
Reply ID 47610
quote:Oh, none taken [:)]
Originally posted by jez_p
Sorry Willow - don't take offence - 99% of the time it is not a problem.
Reply ID 47670
god I hate people not using the Rush Green Roundabout properly, grrr
Reply ID 48014
quote:Same here. There seem to be thousands of drivers a day who approach the rush green roundabout on the A414 from Hertford, who want to take the third exit (A10 southbound) and for some stupid reason, go all the way round in the left lane. The worst drivers have got to be the ones who come down the the hill into Hertford on the A414, who want to take the third exit at the M&S roundabout (Tesco/Ware Road/Mead Lane). There seems a multitude of morons who start off entering the roundabout in the correct right lane, but switch to the left lane as soon as they get on it, even though they are not taking the exit for the town centre. They proceed round in the left, making everyone who is exiting correctly from the right lane to brake. Did these people really pass a drivng test?!
Originally posted by simcut
god I hate people not using the Rush Green Roundabout properly, grrr
Reply ID 48018
quote:Shunt makes very good point; the Hatfield & London Colney roundabouts are an example of this with the additional need to keep an eye out for traffic lights planted (on the Hatfield at least)at virtual blind spots. For those unused to them its squeeky trouser time..
Originally posted by shunt These days, you almost need to know a roundabout off by heart to accurately follow instructions which appear only briefly under the car in front.
Reply ID 48143
quote:Add the Hatfield Tesco roundabout to that category of "free for all". [:)]
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:Shunt makes very good point; the Hatfield & London Colney roundabouts are an example of this with the additional need to keep an eye out for traffic lights planted (on the Hatfield at least)at virtual blind spots. For those unused to them its squeeky trouser time..
Originally posted by shunt These days, you almost need to know a roundabout off by heart to accurately follow instructions which appear only briefly under the car in front.
Reply ID 48146
quote:The lane markings and position of traffic lights at the Hatfield Tesco Roundabout (previously known as Jack Oldings) are an absolute fiasco. I have several times seen vehicles go through red lights, not, it would appear that drivers are "jumping" the light, but simply because they don't realise (a) that they are there, or (b) that they pertain to their lane of traffic. A while ago they did remark some of the lane markings,but that only seemed to make it worse.
Originally posted by Dudequote:Add the Hatfield Tesco roundabout to that category of "free for all". [:)]
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:Shunt makes very good point; the Hatfield & London Colney roundabouts are an example of this with the additional need to keep an eye out for traffic lights planted (on the Hatfield at least)at virtual blind spots. For those unused to them its squeeky trouser time..
Originally posted by shunt These days, you almost need to know a roundabout off by heart to accurately follow instructions which appear only briefly under the car in front.
Reply ID 48165
Hands up. I confess. I have jumped a red light on the Hatfield roundabout. Was tooo busy trying to figure out which lane/what other people were doing at the time, so rather like our bronzed minister for nothing much, I plead innocence.
Reply ID 48168
quote:I've driven around worse roundabouts... Bridge Foot in Warrington for example, but the Tesco Hatfield roundabout is up there with them.
Originally posted by buzzquote:The lane markings and position of traffic lights at the Hatfield Tesco Roundabout (previously known as Jack Oldings) are an absolute fiasco. I have several times seen vehicles go through red lights, not, it would appear that drivers are "jumping" the light, but simply because they don't realise (a) that they are there, or (b) that they pertain to their lane of traffic. A while ago they did remark some of the lane markings,but that only seemed to make it worse.
Originally posted by Dudequote:Add the Hatfield Tesco roundabout to that category of "free for all". [:)]
Originally posted by Capitalist pigletquote:Shunt makes very good point; the Hatfield & London Colney roundabouts are an example of this with the additional need to keep an eye out for traffic lights planted (on the Hatfield at least)at virtual blind spots. For those unused to them its squeeky trouser time..
Originally posted by shunt These days, you almost need to know a roundabout off by heart to accurately follow instructions which appear only briefly under the car in front.
Reply ID 48170
and I thought it was just me that hated that roundabout at Hatfield! The people who come up Gascoyne Way on the inside lane by the car park to go up London Road are also making life difficult for everyone else!
Reply ID 48172
quote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the road markings alongside the Gascoyne way carpark indicate that the left lane is "all routes".
Originally posted by Marilyn
and I thought it was just me that hated that roundabout at Hatfield! The people who come up Gascoyne Way on the inside lane by the car park to go up London Road are also making life difficult for everyone else!
Reply ID 48176
quote:Exactly. If every roundabout is adapted with it's own unique rules, people will make errors.
Originally posted by Dreamerquote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the road markings alongside the Gascoyne way carpark indicate that the left lane is "all routes".
Originally posted by Marilyn
and I thought it was just me that hated that roundabout at Hatfield! The people who come up Gascoyne Way on the inside lane by the car park to go up London Road are also making life difficult for everyone else!
Reply ID 48233
Who is responsible for the mess being made of roundabouts in Herts generally, is it Hertfordshire Highways? There are far too many roundabouts now with signs that flout the rules as shown in the Highway Code.
Reply ID 48238
quote:It's a nationwide thing. To return to the original design of roundabouts would require a change of thinking across the entire population. Originally they were supposed to be small enough radius to restrict traffic to 5mph on the roundabout itself allowing 1 to 1 filtering and no stopping. The problem was, car handling and performance soon became capable of allowing selfishness even on the original design and roundabouts started getting bigger with each new one built, making the problem even worse. Driving attitudes had already started to change by the time they were introduced and very few drivers would be capable of negotiating an unregulated crossroads without the compulsory enforcement of lights or roundabouts now. The skill and fear which drove us to be careful and courteous has been lost in time now that seatbelts and airbags make us all feel safe enough to push, bully, compete and risk collisions.
Originally posted by Reg Varny
Who is responsible for the mess being made of roundabouts in Herts generally, is it Hertfordshire Highways? There are far too many roundabouts now with signs that flout the rules as shown in the Highway Code.
Reply ID 48241
quote:I don't think the signs flout the Highway Code. It actually states what lane or position you should take for turning left, right or taking an intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
Originally posted by Reg Varny
Who is responsible for the mess being made of roundabouts in Herts generally, is it Hertfordshire Highways? There are far too many roundabouts now with signs that flout the rules as shown in the Highway Code.
Reply ID 48242
The idea of butchering the lanes is surely to allow the main/busiest route the largest use of the roundabout. Because the Bluecoats roundabout has the main road going off at right angles the lanes have been changed from the vanilla default defined in the highway code to a more efficient layout. The problem is that there are still the people that ignore the signs/markings and do their own thing because "they are right"