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28/02/2007 by Steve

New Restaurant in Fore Street

There's a planning application gone in for change of use to a restaurant at 130 Fore Street. Does anyone know which premises this is and what it's likely to be? [url="http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/07/0373/FP&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=33693%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=64964%26StartIndex=11%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=33693%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E"]Planning Application[/url]


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Reply ID 36208

28/02/2007 by Herbert Lemons

This maybe makes a bit of sense to me....A couple of months ago I imposed myself into a conversation with a couple in the boozer who betrayed they were visiting the Town in a consulting stylee for a 'restaurant client'. My recollection of details is flimsy but I do remember the fella saying that it's more readily accepted by some chains to fail in a saturated market than punt on completely new territory. Fore St was their prime surveying ground. It's gonna be a KFC.


Reply ID 36213

28/02/2007 by Frenchie

Pls tell me you are joking...


Reply ID 36214

28/02/2007 by Herbert Lemons

The KFC bit is a joke. It's gonna be one of those KFC wannabes - something like Ken's Lucky Fried Chicken.... OK, that was a joke too.


Reply ID 36217

28/02/2007 by Mr P

Would it be anything to do with the rumours a while back that Fish! was coming to town?


Reply ID 36219

28/02/2007 by Deveraux

I can't work out where this is. Lifestyle Mortgages are at 106 and the Ram is at 108 - then you've got the solicitors and the insurance brokers, the employment agency, the kebab place - hang on .... I wonder, Marks and Sparks are at 140 Is this anything to do with the rumour a while back about the tyre and exhaust place being turned into some kind of piano bar and eatery ????


Reply ID 36221

28/02/2007 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by Deveraux
I can't work out where this is. Lifestyle Mortgages are at 106 and the Ram is at 108 - then you've got the solicitors and the insurance brokers, the employment agency, the kebab place - hang on .... I wonder, Marks and Sparks are at 140 Is this anything to do with the rumour a while back about the tyre and exhaust place being turned into some kind of piano bar and eatery ????
The rumour about the tyre fitting premises were while it was vacant.


Reply ID 36222

28/02/2007 by Ewoowar

130 Fore Street is the registered offices for Continuum Insurance Brokers Limited. http://www.continuumib.co.uk/ http://www.continuumib.co.uk/


Reply ID 36223

28/02/2007 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by Mr P
Would it be anything to do with the rumours a while back that Fish! was coming to town?
The fish restaurant was rumoured to be opening in St Andrews Street in the former premises of the Hertford Antique Centre.


Reply ID 36230

28/02/2007 by Tigger

quote:
Originally posted by Deveraux
I can't work out where this is. Lifestyle Mortgages are at 106 and the Ram is at 108 - then you've got the solicitors and the insurance brokers, the employment agency, the kebab place - hang on .... I wonder, Marks and Sparks are at 140 Is this anything to do with the rumour a while back about the tyre and exhaust place being turned into some kind of piano bar and eatery ????
ODD - Only upto 116 after the Kebab Shop????????? Is there some mysterious timewarp in the middle that we unaware of? Spooky.


Reply ID 36233

28/02/2007 by Dude

130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!


Reply ID 36240

28/02/2007 by Leo Densian

quote:
Originally posted by Dude
130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!
Great - another restaurant [:(] Googling around the applicant is based in the Isle of Man with links to developers / consultants in Mayfair. Cant find any links to chain restaurants so make of it what you will!


Reply ID 36241

28/02/2007 by Dude

quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!
Great - another restaurant [:(] Googling around the applicant is based in the Isle of Man with links to developers / consultants in Mayfair. Cant find any links to chain restaurants so make of it what you will!
I don't mind another restaurant (as opposed to an insurance office)as long as its not another Pizza/Pasta/Indian/Chinese/Thai/Gastro pub. We already have a fish restaurant too. Please will someone open a nice Mexican/French/Lebonese/American restaurant to be different!


Reply ID 36242

28/02/2007 by wizkid

Continuim and Martin Hale is the same company, it was renamed after Martin Hale retired.


Reply ID 36243

28/02/2007 by Leo Densian

quote:
Originally posted by Dude
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!
Great - another restaurant [:(] Googling around the applicant is based in the Isle of Man with links to developers / consultants in Mayfair. Cant find any links to chain restaurants so make of it what you will!
I don't mind another restaurant (as opposed to an insurance office)as long as its not another Pizza/Pasta/Indian/Chinese/Thai/Gastro pub. We already have a fish restaurant too. Please will someone open a nice Mexican/French/Lebonese/American restaurant to be different!
Sorry to disappoint Dude, I've just Googled a bit more and my prediction is (if planning permission granted)for 'Zizzi', a pizza and pasta joint. There's one in Ipswich which had the the same combination of companies at planning application stage. Of course if I'm wrong, I'll eat my calzone.


Reply ID 36247

28/02/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Sorry to disappoint Dude, I've just Googled a bit more and my prediction is (if planning permission granted)for 'Zizzi', a pizza and pasta joint. There's one in Ipswich which had the the same combination of companies at planning application stage. Of course if I'm wrong, I'll eat my calzone.
I would be surprised - Zizzi are owned by Gondola Holdings, aka ASK/Pizza Express. Maybe they're trying to take over Fore Street!


Reply ID 36251

28/02/2007 by Herbert Lemons

"Zizzi"!? There's one in St Albans. It's probably worth mentioning that the word 'zizzi' in colloquial French refers to a gentlemans pointy winkle parts.... "Mmmm - I'll just see the wine menu thanks!"


Reply ID 36255

28/02/2007 by Fish Wife

Just what the town needs - yet another restaurant. How about a good old fashioned salt beef and pickled dill restaurant serving good, wholesome Yiddisher food. Real bagels, salmon, gefilter fish, chicken soup...... Highly unlikely but anything would be better than another chain of pap food. Considering that there have been a few applications for eateries in recent times in Fore Street, just what is the likelihood of it succeeding?


Reply ID 36256

28/02/2007 by justin

quote:
Originally posted by Dude
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!
Great - another restaurant [:(] Googling around the applicant is based in the Isle of Man with links to developers / consultants in Mayfair. Cant find any links to chain restaurants so make of it what you will!
I don't mind another restaurant (as opposed to an insurance office)as long as its not another Pizza/Pasta/Indian/Chinese/Thai/Gastro pub. We already have a fish restaurant too. Please will someone open a nice Mexican/French/Lebonese/American restaurant to be different!
wheres the fish restaurant? Also a gastro pub would be great, cos i cant think of one.


Reply ID 36261

28/02/2007 by Tigger

How many Pizza's can you have in one Street? Mexican, ect. has been mentioned, something different would be great - a CHOICE


Reply ID 36266

28/02/2007 by Deveraux

quote:
Originally posted by Fish Wife Considering that there have been a few applications for eateries in recent times in Fore Street, just what is the likelihood of it succeeding?
Zizzi?? Zip all chance[:)][:)] There must be a saturation point for eateries - and it must have been reached


Reply ID 36272

28/02/2007 by Dude

quote:
Originally posted by justin
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
130 is the nice old wooden beamed insurance shop (Martin Hales). Would make a fine eatery!
Great - another restaurant [:(] Googling around the applicant is based in the Isle of Man with links to developers / consultants in Mayfair. Cant find any links to chain restaurants so make of it what you will!
I don't mind another restaurant (as opposed to an insurance office)as long as its not another Pizza/Pasta/Indian/Chinese/Thai/Gastro pub. We already have a fish restaurant too. Please will someone open a nice Mexican/French/Lebonese/American restaurant to be different!
wheres the fish restaurant? Also a gastro pub would be great, cos i cant think of one.
The Waterside promotes itself as fish and steak specialist. As far as Gastro pub is concerned, I think I probably didn't make it clear what I meant. I mean we don't need another place passing itself of a real gastro pub (aka Baroosh, Snug) when really its mostly boil in the bag stuff. Of course there is a market for it, and they are good at what they do, but I don't feel we need any more! My number one choice is for a Mexican!


Reply ID 36274

28/02/2007 by thefair1973

I doubt that the Snug or Baroosh would class themselves as a gastro pub. I would love a proper gastro pub to open up, but unlikely in that plot. Now the Bridge House... As for a Mexican, didnt there used to be one in town that went belly up?


Reply ID 36277

28/02/2007 by Dude

quote:
Originally posted by thefair1973
I doubt that the Snug or Baroosh would class themselves as a gastro pub. I would love a proper gastro pub to open up, but unlikely in that plot. Now the Bridge House... As for a Mexican, didnt there used to be one in town that went belly up?
Hertford had two Mexicans, but they were before the whole thing seemed to take hold in the UK. There is a great Mexican in Sawbridgeworth, but it would be nice to have one back in Hertford again.


Reply ID 36278

01/03/2007 by Steve

The building in question is the blue one in the foreground [img]../images/130forestreet.jpg[/img]


Reply ID 36280

01/03/2007 by Drama Queen

As I am heavily into baking cakes.. looking at your photo Steve, a nice teashop and coffee shop with sticky cakes and gingham table clothes, tables on the front in the fine weather and properly brewed tea.. And at night... a lovely smashing plate Greek place... Sorted!!!![:D]


Reply ID 36281

01/03/2007 by 2929paul

How about a nice Spanish Tapas bar, with someone playing the guitar in the evenings. The building doesn't really look like it lends itself to that sort of ambience from the outside though.


Reply ID 36282

01/03/2007 by justin

how about a modern welsh tapas bar


Reply ID 36325

01/03/2007 by Drama Queen

We had a tapas bar at the place now the Waterside, and it did badly. I think people around here like a good, decent, honest plate of food - I know I do - and variety.. We don;t all want Indian, Thai or Anglo-Italian! So although I agree that food premises have reached saturation point, I would like to see something a little different and not something I have already got at least 5 of already..


Reply ID 36330

01/03/2007 by Bubbaoshea

I'd say a nice Italian restaurant would be the way to go. Not the usual Italian restaurants you see in England but a traditional Tuscan type place (might look slightly odd in that building) where you get to taste real Italian cooking over the usual 4 courses, starting with your usual starter of salad, then moving on to the pasta and then to the meat dishes all washed down with some outstanding Italian wine from Montepulciano region Tuscany! Don't forget to leave room for the Gelato for afters. That would be a winner in my eyes.


Reply ID 36338

01/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Bubbaoshea
I'd say a nice Italian restaurant would be the way to go. Not the usual Italian restaurants you see in England but a traditional Tuscan type place (might look slightly odd in that building) where you get to taste real Italian cooking over the usual 4 courses, starting with your usual starter of salad, then moving on to the pasta and then to the meat dishes all washed down with some outstanding Italian wine from Montepulciano region Tuscany! Don't forget to leave room for the Gelato for afters. That would be a winner in my eyes.
You've made me hungry now! Yes, a genuine independent non-chain Italian would be nice.


Reply ID 36340

01/03/2007 by Bubbaoshea

I made myself hungry typing that too. A true Italian restaurant is a winner in my eyes. Not a Cafe Uno type place but a real taste of Italy. Good food and good wine = success.


Reply ID 36385

02/03/2007 by Dude

Please, not an Italian, even a true one! The town is becoming so boring with all this pasta!


Reply ID 36386

02/03/2007 by David Yates

Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.


Reply ID 36391

02/03/2007 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.
Wouldn't a restaurant do more to bring people to the town than the insurance brokers who currently occupy the premises?


Reply ID 36392

02/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Please, not an Italian, even a true one! The town is becoming so boring with all this pasta!
All what pasta?


Reply ID 36394

02/03/2007 by Bengeobabe

how about a fish restaurant by night, sushi bar by day?


Reply ID 36404

02/03/2007 by Dillinquent

An English restaurant would be nice...


Reply ID 36406

02/03/2007 by David Yates

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.
Wouldn't a restaurant do more to bring people to the town than the insurance brokers who currently occupy the premises?
Only at night - and 'daytime customers' (ie the office workers) would be spending their money out of town too. The balance of Hertford has already tipped toward night time trade - is another eatery really needed?


Reply ID 36425

02/03/2007 by Tigger

quote:
Originally posted by Bengeobabe
how about a fish restaurant by night, sushi bar by day?
Fish resturant, supplied by John - 2 birds with one stone?


Reply ID 36426

02/03/2007 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.
Wouldn't a restaurant do more to bring people to the town than the insurance brokers who currently occupy the premises?
Only at night - and 'daytime customers' (ie the office workers) would be spending their money out of town too. The balance of Hertford has already tipped toward night time trade - is another eatery really needed?
What I meanis that if it were to be a shop rather that was closing to be turned into a restaurant then I would understand he problem. But the insurance brokers with an online presence surely hardly brought anybody specifically into the town.


Reply ID 36436

02/03/2007 by James007

So the applicant is Dragon Leisure Ltd. Anyone heard of them? Google gives little information.


Reply ID 36437

02/03/2007 by LondonSouthernBelle

quote:
Originally posted by Dude Please will someone open a nice Mexican/French/Lebonese/American restaurant to be different!
You are my new best friend *she says american-ly* I would LOVE to have a bit of "home" here in Hertford....texmex!! please!!


Reply ID 36438

02/03/2007 by LondonSouthernBelle

quote:
Originally posted by Drama Queen
As I am heavily into baking cakes.. looking at your photo Steve, a nice teashop and coffee shop with sticky cakes and gingham table clothes, tables on the front in the fine weather and properly brewed tea.. And at night... a lovely smashing plate Greek place... Sorted!!!![:D]
oooh I could not agree more!! Something very country/cottage feel. Freshly baked goods, pressed linens, brewed tea in dainty china. On the weekends we could hold children's birthday tea parties where they have tea and cakes and dress up in pretty frocks, pearls and satin gloves sipping tea and eating cake. Want be my partner in this dev't? [:X]


Reply ID 36442

02/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by James007
So the applicant is Dragon Leisure Ltd. Anyone heard of them? Google gives little information.
Leo Densian mentions googling the developer twice on page 1. [:)]


Reply ID 36452

02/03/2007 by James007

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by James007
So the applicant is Dragon Leisure Ltd. Anyone heard of them? Google gives little information.
Leo Densian mentions googling the developer twice on page 1. [:)]
And???


Reply ID 36455

03/03/2007 by Leo Densian

If you google Dragon Leisure and the agents name together it throws up planning applications for Ipswich where they have previously collaborated. The address in question is currently a Zizzi restaurant.


Reply ID 36465

03/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by James007
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by James007
So the applicant is Dragon Leisure Ltd. Anyone heard of them? Google gives little information.
Leo Densian mentions googling the developer twice on page 1. [:)]
And???
Er, read page one James. I'm not going to repost something that Leo has already posted.


Reply ID 36466

03/03/2007 by James007

No probs Steve, just read it. I didn't see Dragon Leisure Ltd on page 1, apologies.


Reply ID 36539

05/03/2007 by David Yates

quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.
Wouldn't a restaurant do more to bring people to the town than the insurance brokers who currently occupy the premises?
Only at night - and 'daytime customers' (ie the office workers) would be spending their money out of town too. The balance of Hertford has already tipped toward night time trade - is another eatery really needed?
What I meanis that if it were to be a shop rather that was closing to be turned into a restaurant then I would understand he problem. But the insurance brokers with an online presence surely hardly brought anybody specifically into the town.
It's just about balance and in my view there is a danger that the town will become a nightime-only economy only if more eateries are allowed. I agree that an open restaurant would be better than an empty office but we have to look at the town as a whole and ensure that businesses which need daytime 'passing trade' do not suffer as a consequence of the town only attracting visitors at night.


Reply ID 36543

05/03/2007 by azzza

Fore St. is notoriously hard to maintain a regular daytime footfall, thus the reluctance of 'daytime' businesses to open along this street. So surley it is better to have a vibrant nightime restaurant than another boarded-up office to maintain the image of Fore Street?. so Mr. Yates, going along with your arguement, would it be logical in your eyes to shut the 'Ram' and turn it into a retail outlet?


Reply ID 36544

05/03/2007 by Ewoowar

quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Ewoowar
quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Agreed, but isn't McDonalds rather successful too? (and before you say it I know the one in Maidenhead Street closed, but I suggest that that was more to do with a very quiet town during the day and not the type of food being sold. Indeed a further restaurant will do nothing for the daytime economy and presumably move another group of office workers out of the town centre leading to an even quieter daytime). If we just want a nightime economy in Hertford further restaurants are the way ahead, but closed businesses and empty shops do not make a pretty sight. No daytime economy = closed shops and businesses.
Wouldn't a restaurant do more to bring people to the town than the insurance brokers who currently occupy the premises?
Only at night - and 'daytime customers' (ie the office workers) would be spending their money out of town too. The balance of Hertford has already tipped toward night time trade - is another eatery really needed?
What I meanis that if it were to be a shop rather that was closing to be turned into a restaurant then I would understand he problem. But the insurance brokers with an online presence surely hardly brought anybody specifically into the town.
It's just about balance and in my view there is a danger that the town will become a nightime-only economy only if more eateries are allowed. I agree that an open restaurant would be better than an empty office but we have to look at the town as a whole and ensure that businesses which need daytime 'passing trade' do not suffer as a consequence of the town only attracting visitors at night.
I agree but we would need the exisiting insurance brokers to be replaced by a shop for the situation to improve. It's an insurance brokers with an online presence. When this thread started it took a few days and even a posting of a photo of the building for people to even know where it was.


Reply ID 36545

05/03/2007 by arkwright

Azzza, How many closed shops and boarded up offices exactly are there in Fore Street? Just the one empty shop I think, and that is let to someone waiting on permission to start work! Feel free to correct me!


Reply ID 36547

05/03/2007 by nora batty

quote:
Originally posted by azzza
Fore St. is notoriously hard to maintain a regular daytime footfall, thus the reluctance of 'daytime' businesses to open along this street. So surley it is better to have a vibrant nightime restaurant than another boarded-up office to maintain the image of Fore Street?. so Mr. Yates, going along with your arguement, would it be logical in your eyes to shut the 'Ram' and turn it into a retail outlet?
Hasn't the arrival of M&S increased daytime footfall? I would have thought a good retail business could cash in on the fact that M&S has a regular custom and car parking.


Reply ID 36548

05/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by azzza
... so Mr. Yates, going along with your arguement, would it be logical in your eyes to shut the 'Ram' and turn it into a retail outlet?
I don't think this is a logical extention of Mr.Yates view at all. In fact your post comes across as a veiled attempt to bait Mr.Yates.


Reply ID 36549

05/03/2007 by arkwright

Not sure of any actual increase in footfall/trade due to M&S, maybe one for sloopjohnb to answer? One of the biggest bringers of feet to Fore Street is the post office.


Reply ID 36559

05/03/2007 by hector

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by azzza
... so Mr. Yates, going along with your arguement, would it be logical in your eyes to shut the 'Ram' and turn it into a retail outlet?
I don't think this is a logical extention of Mr.Yates view at all. In fact your post comes across as a veiled attempt to bait Mr.Yates.
I'm glad I'm not the only person to have noticed that. What on earth has The Ram got to do with any of this? Is it merely the case that The Ram - be it the best or worst pub in town - will always get singled out for attention, most of which is negative and spiteful? The thread is about the possibility of yet another restaurant in this already gastronimically overloaded town.


Reply ID 36563

05/03/2007 by Leo Densian

quote:
Originally posted by hector The thread is about the possibility of yet another restaurant in this already gastronimically overloaded town.
Should that be astronomically gastronomically overloaded? [:)]


Reply ID 36564

05/03/2007 by David Yates

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by azzza
... so Mr. Yates, going along with your arguement, would it be logical in your eyes to shut the 'Ram' and turn it into a retail outlet?
I don't think this is a logical extention of Mr.Yates view at all. In fact your post comes across as a veiled attempt to bait Mr.Yates.
Thanks Steve, but it will take more than this to bait me and I won't even bother responding to that particular crass and stupid remark (except to say that it was crass and stupid) What I was trying to point out, and what Azza either failed to read or ignored, was that a balance is required between daytime and evening economy over the whole town in order to benefit everyone living and working here. It is my opinion that given the new developments of Weatherspoon's, The Office and The Hotel on top of what was already a thriving evening economy that surely enough is enough and efforts need to be made to benefit the daytime economy. I agree that an insurance brokers is hardly a 'big fish', but it's staff provide at least some customers for the daytime outlets. They may even buy a sandwich and a drink at lunchtime. Perhaps even from a local pub?


Reply ID 36566

05/03/2007 by hector

quote:
Originally posted by Leo Densian
quote:
Originally posted by hector The thread is about the possibility of yet another restaurant in this already gastronimically overloaded town.
Should that be astronomically gastronomically overloaded? [:)]
Without a doubt Leo [;)]


Reply ID 36607

06/03/2007 by arkwright

Mr Yates is correct, it's all about balance. Although we enjoy Hertford nightlife choices, office workers are important to our mid-week trade. In order of numbers, our customers seem to be:- 1.General public 2.Office workers 3.Bar/Rest./shop workers. Without Bars Etc. some people would not visit Hertford in the evening and not see the shops to tempt them back during daylight hours. Without offices our mid-week trade would suffer. Life is a balncing act!


Reply ID 36710

06/03/2007 by sloopjohnb

Yes Arkwright office workers are very important to the day time economy. But look around there is plenty of office space available for rent. Many landlords have already been successful in getting permission to convert to flats. In line with Government guidelines to regenerate the town centres. So a reduction in office workers which drives the day time economy and an increase in residents who tend not to spend time and money in Hertford being in London as that's where they have to work to earn the kind of salary required to afford town centre acommadation. Walk around Hertford lunchtimes - not so many browsing for CD's in Smiths or Woolworths etc - some of the sandwich bars who have been long established will testify to the drop in trade. So coming back to the orginal post - better a building occupied than empty (but I must presume that Continuum sought a new tenant before moving out because I saw no 'to let' signs) but as much as we would all prefer a high street retailer the existing tenants found a restauranteur. And an A2 down to A3/4 application in a blue streamed area will not see much opposition. This will not do anything for the day time trade - there are less and less office workers who will need such an outlet but a draw for people outside town. I have asked retailers about increased footfall since M&S opened and initially there was an increase - not so sure now. See my post a little while ago about the shrinking of the town centre - less and less reason to walk down Fore Street - until the night time comes and when the new restaurant is open it will be right alongside the taxi marshalling area (and possibly ho ho! an all day taxi rank). Good positioning or what!!


Reply ID 36738

07/03/2007 by 60sDJ

quote:
Originally posted by arkwright
Mr Yates is correct, it's all about balance. Although we enjoy Hertford nightlife choices, office workers are important to our mid-week trade. In order of numbers, our customers seem to be:- 1.General public 2.Office workers 3.Bar/Rest./shop workers. Without Bars Etc. some people would not visit Hertford in the evening and not see the shops to tempt them back during daylight hours. Without offices our mid-week trade would suffer. Life is a balncing act!
Put neatly into context after a lot of pointless deviation from the issue. A fast food outlet or Mexican/English/French/Italian/Thai/Vietnamese/Chinese/Portuguese/Irish (Irish?) restaurant isn't needed here but a business that fills a need in the community and by its existence will provide custom for other businesses. A case of self perpetuating development. That's how I interpret the point David Yates is making, which has also been echoed and supported by others. Seems logical to me.


Reply ID 36761

07/03/2007 by James007

I think the site would suit a proper restaurant like (what was) Nelitto's in Newgate Street Village. The best food, best service in a Fawlty Towers type of dining area. Pricey but worth it.


Reply ID 36775

07/03/2007 by Landy

quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
It's just about balance and in my view there is a danger that the town will become a nightime-only economy only if more eateries are allowed. I agree that an open restaurant would be better than an empty office but we have to look at the town as a whole and ensure that businesses which need daytime 'passing trade' do not suffer as a consequence of the town only attracting visitors at night.
Agree entirely. The success of a town is dependant on a variety of businesses and a nightime only economy is a risk. It would only take a number of failures to make the overall economy suffer. Besides we don't need another restaurant.


Reply ID 36782

07/03/2007 by Ewoowar

In 2007 an insurance broker surely isn't dependent upon passing trade. They can operate out of premises without a front onto a major shopping street. I assume if a retailer had approached the leaseholders then we might be seeing a new shop open.


Reply ID 36817

07/03/2007 by Tigger

It's not exactly at the right end of the street for passing trade.


Reply ID 36848

07/03/2007 by arkwright

Nor the right frontage for a shop. You would look like a peeper if you tried to check out the goods!


Reply ID 36861

08/03/2007 by justin

i think a proper indian restaurant is what hertford needs.The uk is obsessed with the curry culture, so a proper authentic indian restaurant with properly cooked food , in my opinion would be just what the town needs.


Reply ID 36884

08/03/2007 by David Yates

Bollywoods may have something to say on that proposal since it's only 10 years away.


Reply ID 36895

08/03/2007 by arkwright

If it's ten YEARS away, what's the problem Dave? [;)]


Reply ID 36899

08/03/2007 by Bubbaoshea

quote:
Originally posted by James007
I think the site would suit a proper restaurant like (what was) Nelitto's in Newgate Street Village. The best food, best service in a Fawlty Towers type of dining area. Pricey but worth it.
That Nelitto's has since gone I think. There is still one in Enfield although I'm not a fan of that one. A good Italian restaurant is the way to go. Hertford already has a lot of Curry Houses and Pizza places. My fav. restaurants in Hertford are currently Lussamans and the Hillside. What about an American style restaurant? A place where you can get authentic homemade burgers and ample ribs etc etc. Not a tacky diner style place but a place with large portions and well decked out.


Reply ID 36902

08/03/2007 by Steve

quote:
Originally posted by David Yates
Bollywoods may have something to say on that proposal since it's only 10 years away.
Objections of a commercial nature are irrelevant to a planning application


Reply ID 36903

08/03/2007 by Dell Boy

American style Diner would be very nice, I think this 1 is excellent. I visited this Diner quite often when I lived in London and the meals are huge, only draw back being- people's attitude to junk food at this present time. http://www.edseasydiner.co.uk/


Reply ID 36905

08/03/2007 by Jo S

I love Ed's Easy Diner! The thing is, there is a difference between McBurger King food made from chemicals and wierd hydrogenated fats, and good burgers made from normal meat and milkshakes actually made using milk [;)].


Reply ID 36923

08/03/2007 by David Yates

quote:
Originally posted by arkwright
If it's ten YEARS away, what's the problem Dave? [;)]
Ok Let's try YARDS. Good spot old chap!


Reply ID 36931

08/03/2007 by andleicester

I think YEARS was correct. they have a lot of catching up to do on some of the other Indian restaurants.



Reply ID 39334

30/04/2007 by Dude

Anything but another italian/Indian/Chinese!


Reply ID 39341

30/04/2007 by Ewoowar

I think the retail aspect of the application is interesting. Why retail?


Reply ID 39343

30/04/2007 by newgirl

Would take-away food count as retail, perhaps? Pizza Express and Bollywoods, for example, are large restaurants but will also do a take out service. Maybe this needs to be included in the planning application Just a guess


Reply ID 39345

30/04/2007 by sloopjohnb

The basis of Caffe Nero's planning application from A1 to A3 was the high percentage of takeaways (which of course was well established once they made application after six months of trading) which allowed them to retain A1 prime retail use and therefore justify their presence and lack of change of use. On the other hand MacDonalds was considered to be greater A3 sit down and eat establishment more than takeaway; and therefore no real objection to A3 to A2 commercial premises.




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