Topic ID 2529
Just read the Mercury and they are announcing that right up to closing time!!!!! The warden's will be out!!!! Firstly, a lot of the parking restrictions end at around 6.30pm and are not all day no parking zones. I personally feel EHDC is using us as a cash cow and quite frankly tackling anyone when they've been out for a night with their friends.. good luck to you!!!!!!! The Mercury want our thoughts, but I thought I would put this onto the Forum and see what all of you feel. I think its ridiculous, and it makes me angry and I feel its unnecessary. We do have carparks to use at night, but again, sometimes I feel, as a woman, unsafe walking back to a carpark without friends with me. The main reason for this is apparently, laughably the poor old taxi drivers say their spots are being taken up by Joe Public!! After all the shenanigans that taxi rank lot have been up to .. they have a nerve... Hope they're pleased with themselves now!!!!! [}:)]
Reply ID 36049
The council have allowed themselves to be intimidated by the taxi drivers for too long. They are gutless. Taxi drivers happily park up illegally in pedestrianised areas with little fear of action being taken, and then have the gaul to complain when someone else obstructs their taxi rank.
Reply ID 36053
quote:That would make sense if the wardens only patrolled the taxi ranks.
Originally posted by Drama Queen
Just read the Mercury and they are announcing that right up to closing time!!!!! The warden's will be out!!!! Firstly, a lot of the parking restrictions end at around 6.30pm and are not all day no parking zones. I personally feel EHDC is using us as a cash cow and quite frankly tackling anyone when they've been out for a night with their friends.. good luck to you!!!!!!! The Mercury want our thoughts, but I thought I would put this onto the Forum and see what all of you feel. I think its ridiculous, and it makes me angry and I feel its unnecessary. We do have carparks to use at night, but again, sometimes I feel, as a woman, unsafe walking back to a carpark without friends with me. The main reason for this is apparently, laughably the poor old taxi drivers say their spots are being taken up by Joe Public!! After all the shenanigans that taxi rank lot have been up to .. they have a nerve... Hope they're pleased with themselves now!!!!! [}:)]
Reply ID 36056
What exactly is the issue with Wardens out at night? No one is saying people can't park on the town streets at night, they are saying no one can continue parking like an idiot at night. A Double yellow line is still a double yellow line at night. The parking in the town some nights is terible, and often makes it unsafe to cross. I have no more an issue with the wardens out at night than I do in the day, as long as they only ticket legitimate offences. Just try walking from the Haig to Barclays on a Friday night. You have to be mighty thin to squeeze past the parked cars on both sides of the pavement some nights. Yet 50 yards further up towards the station, the road is empty, and free to park on! As usual, there are two many lazy people about, not thinking about others and parking where it suits them. At least if they were forced to use the car parks, it will be busy, and therefore no more or less safe than in the day time. With regards to the taxi issues, they seem to be a law unto themselves. I can't understand why the council or police are not doing something about some of the obstructions they cause.
Reply ID 36075
Howcome it's ok for the taxi guys to park on the pavement by Loftcat and Toni & Guy in the Bircherly Green complex. I've seen quite a few times wardens chatting to them and having a good laugh but never ticketing them.
Reply ID 36077
Because in this crazy town, the traffic wardens can only issue tickets for cars illegally parked on roads and in car parks. The police are responsible for ensuring the pavements and pedestrianised areas are kept clear of vehicles.
Reply ID 36078
quote:I've seen traffic wardens ticketing cars parked wholly on the pavement in Hertford. Are these tickets not legal then?
Originally posted by JohnSmith
Because in this crazy town, the traffic wardens can only issue tickets for cars illegally parked on roads and in car parks. The police are responsible for ensuring the pavements and pedestrianised areas are kept clear of vehicles.
Reply ID 36079
Parking restrictions, as indicated by signs and yellow lines, apply to the whole of the highway, including pavements, so vehicles parked on pavements are parked in contravention of the parking regulations, and can quite properly be ticketed.
Reply ID 36080
'fraid not. I've had it confirmed by the council and the police.
Reply ID 36081
Taxi drivers have had more than their fair share of parking tickets, but the fact is they usually remain with their vehicles, so are able to move on when asked to do so. The Birchley Green pedestrian area is apparently in the process of being made an instant ticketing zone, so anyone pulling on there without a valid reason will be instantly fined, even taxis!.
Reply ID 36082
What is the likelihood of a taxi driver moving on if a member of the public asks them when they are parked in the Bircherly Green pedestrian area?
Reply ID 36083
quote:Why don't you give it a go & find out?
Originally posted by JohnSmith
What is the likelihood of a taxi driver moving on if a member of the public asks them when they are parked in the Bircherly Green pedestrian area?
Reply ID 36084
From the Highway Code Along the edge of the carriageway Waiting restrictions Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop to load or unload (unless there are also loading restrictions as described below) or while passengers board or alight.
Reply ID 36086
http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/Transport_And_%20Streets/Motor_Vehicles_Roads_And_Parking/Car_Parks/index.htm Penalty Charge Notices are issued on-street in East Herts for the following contraventions: Parking in areas where waiting or loading restrictions are in force Parking for longer than you have paid for Parking in a resident’s parking space without displaying a valid permit Parking in a specially reserved bay, e.g. a loading bay or a disabled bay, unless you are authorised to do so Parking at a bus stop or in a bus lane during prohibited hours If you park on the pavement where there is no waiting restriction, the traffic wardens can't issue a ticket.
Reply ID 36089
"Night Time Traffic Wardens"! That's a Bram Stoker novel innit?
Reply ID 36090
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 17:30:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you park on the pavement where there is no waiting restriction, the traffic wardens can't issue a ticket. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you may have missed my point. Where there ARE waiting or parking restrictions, they apply to the whole of the highway, ie. the road, pavement or verges, and in such cases fixed penalty notices may be issued. Where there are no parking restrictions in force then the offence of driving on the footpath becomes a matter for Police
Reply ID 36096
quote:Why don't East Herts Council know this? [:0][:(!] They have refused over and over again my request to do something about cars parked entirely on the pavement during a time of day when parking restrictions apply. They repeat the mantra that if all the wheels are off the road, it is a matter for the police, not them. Needless to say the police are too busy to ever do anything about such a relatively trivial matter (until, presumably, they will leap into action following the death of a mum with a baby in a buggy who is forced into the road to get past the parked car) [V]
Originally posted by buzz
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 17:30:14 Where there ARE waiting or parking restrictions, they apply to the whole of the highway, ie. the road, pavement or verges, and in such cases fixed penalty notices may be issued. Where there are no parking restrictions in force then the offence of driving on the footpath becomes a matter for Police
Reply ID 36097
I sent the council a picture of a van that was parked two wheels on the pavement and two wheels on the road. The road was marked with double yellow lines AND a Keep Clear sign. They said they weren't interested as parking on the pavement is a police matter. I'm still waiting for a reply after I pointed out the fact that it was parked on double yellow lines. This particular strip of road regularly has vehicles parked on the pavement / road.
Reply ID 36104
I'm afraid that I don't have the answer as to why the council refuse to act over this.......perhaps an e-mail to the local MP might cause them to act.............then again...........
Reply ID 36129
I do sometimes depair at the shortsightedness of whoever it is that makes these decisions. The town's traffic flowed far more easily when there were no wardens at all. Let's hope that if we DO have to have night-time traffic wardens, they will be able to do something about the proliferation of taxis that STILL double park against cars that are legitemately parked outside Cafe Uno. Their engines are turned off, the drivers are propped against them talking to one-another - so - they are double parked! Why aren't they in one of the many taxi ranks in Town? Joe Public isn't parked in the Fore Street Rank or the one outside Halfords. I doubt he'd dare judging by the 'peppery argot' of some of the taxi drivers.
Reply ID 36135
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Originally posted by hector
The town's traffic flowed far more easily when there were no wardens at all.
Reply ID 36140
quote:The taxis are parked here because they cannot get onto the Fore St rank due to illegally parked cars - this rank is for taxis only after 6pm every evening. When the wardens or marshalls are working(Friday & Saturday nights), this rank is kept clear, so taxis have no need to park elsewhere within sight of Baroosh, one of the better pick up points. There is talk (or rumours) of the Fore St rank being made 24hrs, but this might cause problems with delivery access to shops etc., so may never happen.
Originally posted by hector
Let's hope that if we DO have to have night-time traffic wardens, they will be able to do something about the proliferation of taxis that STILL double park against cars that are legitemately parked outside Cafe Uno. Their engines are turned off, the drivers are propped against them talking to one-another - so - they are double parked! Why aren't they in one of the many taxi ranks in Town? Joe Public isn't parked in the Fore Street Rank or the one outside Halfords. I doubt he'd dare judging by the 'peppery argot' of some of the taxi drivers.
Reply ID 36152
quote:Is there another Hertford from a alternative reality? The one I live in had cars parked everywhere, roads, pavements, and the buses used to love getting blocked and bringing the town centre to a standstill at least once a week!
Originally posted by hector
I The town's traffic flowed far more easily when there were no wardens at all.
Reply ID 36156
quote:I would refer you to a couple of threads that were posted pre-parking Attendants... http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=28 http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=28
Originally posted by hector
The town's traffic flowed far more easily when there were no wardens at all.
Reply ID 36159
The only thing that 'flowed' freely without the wardens present in Hertford was foot-traffic, which was a good thing for the shops! What we needed was a happy medium of wardens, not an army of them on zero tolerance!
Reply ID 36164
My experience of the wardens has only been penalise those parking in multi-storey carparks with time left on their tickets.. so not illegal and ticketing within seconds anyone's vehicle when it stops moving! I have not noticed at all the real problem vehicles clamped or towed away allowing emergency vehicles and/or the public to use the road as it was intended. I think they are total waste of time... Sorry but they !
Reply ID 36171
quote:I take it you didn't have to push a buggy past all the cars on the pavement? [:)] A happy medium would be nice, but unfortunately it would never work, as the public always abuse the right. There is still a large pecentage of people who.... 1. Think is ok just park on the double yellow line while they nip in to get a video/take away/sandwich etc etc. 2. Think parking on the pavement isn't really a problem. 3. Think parking in the disabled spaces at Tesco is ok if its quiet. 4. Think they are entitled to parent and baby space because their 12 year old son is in the car. Whilst these people still exist, a happy medium can never be acheived because they to not have the intellgence to think about their effect on others.
Originally posted by ~Sarah~
The only thing that 'flowed' freely without the wardens present in Hertford was foot-traffic, which was a good thing for the shops! What we needed was a happy medium of wardens, not an army of them on zero tolerance!
Reply ID 36174
Well said Dude!
Reply ID 36175
Dude, I agree, especially with points 2 and 4! lol I still don't agree though that the volume of the wardens in Hertford is correct, but then that's my opinion.
Reply ID 36176
While I despise the over-zealous application of the rules and regulations resulting in penalties for drivers who make simple mistakes, I do accept that the wardens are given excessive scope or little room for manouevere because some of the parking restrictions are ridiculous. For example, putting tickets on cars parked in the bays outside Shire Hall at 09.30 on a Sunday morning. In these cases it is the parking restrictions themselves that should be challenged rather than the wardens who apply them.
Reply ID 36183
How long will it be before a warden is assaulted? Would you wear a wardens uniform on a Friday / Saturday night in Hertford?
Reply ID 36186
My opinion is that the parking attendants do not have adequate powers e.g. they are not allowed to ticket cars parked illegally on the pavements. At the same time, they do not utilise common sense and judgement when cars parked in car parks (and not causing obstruction to other road users or pedestrians) run over time by a few minutes, slapping tickets on them just to raise revenue and meet targets. But then there is some saying about reaping what we sow. Perhaps there is a reason we are burdened with the system of parking regulation that we have today. Perhaps we should have been better at self regulation. I'm off down the pub to debate this over a pint.
Reply ID 36191
quote:To the second question, no. An emphatic no. Which is not lessened should the it be extended beyond Friday and Saturday. I cannot imagine ever being a traffic warden.
Originally posted by arkwright
How long will it be before a warden is assaulted? Would you wear a wardens uniform on a Friday / Saturday night in Hertford?
Reply ID 36232
quote:Absolutely! Its more often than not the rules that suck, not the poor soul who's job it is to enforce it.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
While I despise the over-zealous application of the rules and regulations resulting in penalties for drivers who make simple mistakes, I do accept that the wardens are given excessive scope or little room for manouevere because some of the parking restrictions are ridiculous. For example, putting tickets on cars parked in the bays outside Shire Hall at 09.30 on a Sunday morning. In these cases it is the parking restrictions themselves that should be challenged rather than the wardens who apply them.
Reply ID 36238
quote:Safety in numbers [url]http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=1498[/url]
Originally posted by arkwright
How long will it be before a warden is assaulted? Would you wear a wardens uniform on a Friday / Saturday night in Hertford?
Reply ID 37099
Another classic Yesterday. Market Trader loading Van = Ticket????? How on earth is he supposed to load/unload his goddies? Surley this must come within his Traders Licence?
Reply ID 37458
I recently saw a traffic warden cruise up on a scooter, mount the pavement by the Snug Bar and put a ticket on a car parked there (although someone here said that wasn't their remit but was that of the pi.. sorry police). Having nicked someone for illegal parking, said Traffic Warden parked his scooter next to the same car and walked off. Call me old fashioned but...