Topic ID 2371
50-plus cars had a number of their tyres slashed last night in Bengeo (New Road, Park Road, Goselin Road areas). I had all four of my tyres slashed. If anyone has any information on who did this, please can they notify the police. The perpertrators even went onto people's driveways to further enhance their jolly jape. Happy New Year, everyone...[:(!]
Reply ID 33101
Not again thats 3 lots of damage in that area in not very many weeks...............
Reply ID 33168
On the same night, I had a large stone (about the size of a bowling ball) thrown through one of my car windows. This was in Mansfield Gardens. Having not ventured out yesterday, I didn't discover the damage until 7:45 this morning. There was glass everywhere and I have spent most of the morning trying to sort it out. A fantastic start to 2007!!! I hope the police catch the people responsible, but I doubt that will happen.
Reply ID 33185
I hear that 3 cars in the working men's club had their windscreens smashed as well. Scum.
Reply ID 33231
This incident really puzzles me. The scale of it beggars belief. I understand that it took place around 6 AM. [?] It must have taken a while to attack so much property and it's hard to understand how such noisy damage as broken car windows could happen at a time when early risers (admittedly not many on a bank hol) are venturing out. Such a lot of inconvenience and misery is caused by this sort of petty crime - for example, I heard one of the victims was a new dad who left his wife and new baby in hospital and popped home to get some sleep for a couple of hours, only to find his tyres slashed when he woke up.[V] I am really sorry your cars have been damaged, Mr P and Lemonjelly, and I hope you can get it sorted out without too much difficulty and expense.
Reply ID 33290
Regarding the Bengeo tyre slashing spree, three youths have been arrested in connection with this and bailed pending further enquiries
Reply ID 33293
Woman opposite my mum in Gosselin Road had her tyres slashed in the driveway. They will probably get a 100 quid fine and be back to do it again. Bring back the armed posse I say. Anyone does that to my car, I will take action first and call the police later.
Reply ID 33302
quote:Whoa Lemonjelly - sorry to hear about that. It seems like your part of town is really being targeted lately. There are some who would argue that 'yeah but no but yeah but they well ain't got nuffink else to do.' That is of course assuming that it's youngsters and not some disgruntled old bu**er like the one who used to live in Nelson Street. [:(!]
Originally posted by lemonjelly
On the same night, I had a large stone (about the size of a bowling ball) thrown through one of my car windows. This was in Mansfield Gardens. Having not ventured out yesterday, I didn't discover the damage until 7:45 this morning. There was glass everywhere and I have spent most of the morning trying to sort it out. A fantastic start to 2007!!! I hope the police catch the people responsible, but I doubt that will happen.
Reply ID 33353
The latest position, as I understand it, via the Serious Rumour Squad: one of the youths, is allegedly, a 17 year old, (who cannot be identified for legal reasons) who, allegedly is in foster care, and has now been moved from the place in which he/she resided. If, and, I repeat, if, he/she is eventually brought before the Courts and convicted, people seeking compensation for the damage caused to their vehicles can probably expect diddly squat. The legal position regarding who is responsible for persons in care is somewhat complex, and although it is possible that action could be taken through the civil courts, against whatever local authority may be responsibe for them being in care, don't hold your breath. If any persons are found guilty by the Courts of these offences, it might be worthwhile for persons who suffered damage to their vehicles to group together to obtain definitive legal advice, which this post is most certainly not.
Reply ID 33402
quote:Local authority??? You should have said PARENTS? Bring Mum and Dad to rights!!
Originally posted by buzz
The legal position regarding who is responsible for persons in care is somewhat complex, and although it is possible that action could be taken through the civil courts, against whatever local authority may be responsibe for them being in care, don't hold your breath.
Reply ID 33403
If he was in care, What was he doing walking the streets in the early hours of the morning?
Reply ID 33404
quote:Although I agree with your sentiments, when a child or young person is taken into care, the authority which does so assumes the rights of the parents
Originally posted by James007quote:Local authority??? You should have said PARENTS? Bring Mum and Dad to rights!!
Originally posted by buzz
The legal position regarding who is responsible for persons in care is somewhat complex, and although it is possible that action could be taken through the civil courts, against whatever local authority may be responsibe for them being in care, don't hold your breath.
Reply ID 33405
quote:I couldn't agree with you more, but I'm afraid I don't have the answers
Originally posted by Witch of the north
If he was in care, What was he doing walking the streets in the early hours of the morning?
Reply ID 33452
quote:GOOD! No, we don't expect anything out of this but a hike insurance premiums. Unless the 17yr old has learning disabilities fo some kind, s/he knows right from wrong. The ultimate responsibility of fostered children may lie with the authorities, but the hollistic, paternal guidance also lies with the foster parents. It is a difficult job and support is vital. And I have to ask why a 17yr old (and the other two) was out so late causing such mayhem. We don't expect to see any money out of this, or any form of effective punishment - such are our ineffectual processes. What I would like to see is for each person affected by this to receive three hours of community service per car where the bleeders carry out whatever works the victims (that's us) need. They can start by digging over my veg patch...
Originally posted by buzz
Regarding the Bengeo tyre slashing spree, three youths have been arrested in connection with this and bailed pending further enquiries
Reply ID 33464
quote:Unfortunately, due to the Children Act, CSCI Regulations and various and sundry agencies working on behalf of The Rights of The Child, being in care means that the doors cannot be locked as the young people have rights! So, if he/she/them want to go out in the early hours, there is absolutely nothing - beyond advising them not to - that staff can do about it! Ludicrous? Yes. Would you let your own kids do it? No. But before we jump on the 'in care' bandwagon, there are many kids who are not in care (Local Authority or even parents) roaming the streets because their parents know no better, have no control or simply don't care.
Originally posted by Witch of the north
If he was in care, What was he doing walking the streets in the early hours of the morning?
Reply ID 33474
So what's your solution, bearing in mind you work in that field?
Reply ID 33476
quote:What can parents with rebellious teenagers do these days. Physical force and locking the doors is regarded as abuse and against their human rights by the powers that be.
Originally posted by Fish Wifequote:Unfortunately, due to the Children Act, CSCI Regulations and various and sundry agencies working on behalf of The Rights of The Child, being in care means that the doors cannot be locked as the young people have rights! So, if he/she/them want to go out in the early hours, there is absolutely nothing - beyond advising them not to - that staff can do about it! Ludicrous? Yes. Would you let your own kids do it? No. But before we jump on the 'in care' bandwagon, there are many kids who are not in care (Local Authority or even parents) roaming the streets because their parents know no better, have no control or simply don't care.
Originally posted by Witch of the north
If he was in care, What was he doing walking the streets in the early hours of the morning?
Reply ID 33481
Defeatist attitude. How about parenting them? 'My kids rule the roost' or 'my kids can't be controlled' rubbish is just an excuse. Pants need to be pulled up and parenting needs to take place.
Reply ID 33483
quote:When I was a lad I was commonly told to pull my socks up. If the current generation are being burdened with pulling their pants up then that is truly indicative of the unweaving of society's fabric.
Originally posted by James007
Pants need to be pulled up and parenting needs to take place.
Reply ID 33484
I was referring to the parents Herbert.
Reply ID 33486
Even so, an intriguing choice of metaphor.
Reply ID 33539
quote:With regards to the 'Rights of Children in Care' and my own personal opinion, unfortunately it is probably for the best that I keep my personal ideas regarding a solution to myself, but I would like to offer a small persepctive about being in care....no young person would choose to be in care. With the best will in the world and the excellent staff who try their hardest to give these kids meaning and sense in their lives, being in care doesn't compare with living in a real home. It isn't about being with parents and siblings. It's about sharing your living space with 5 or 6 other kids who all have their own problems, who you might dislike intensely. It's about staff shifts that change twice a day in an environment that whilst it is clean, modern and comfortable, it's not home. Care is the end of the line when everything else has failed - family breakdown, abuse, foster care. Staff are dedicated which has to be the case as they aren't paid enough to put up with some of the behaviour. Care is also the easy target to which all bad behaviour can be attached. Too much emphasis is put on the empowerment of young people, who sometimes can't cope with it, whether in care or not. They don't understand and maybe aren't prepared to accept that empowerment and rights have responsibilities attached. It is sometimes almost impossible to impose acceptable boundaries and conditions on young people who have never known that level of care and concern in a 'normal' loving family environment. And no, I'm not sporting a middle class liberal bleeding heart, but at the same time I'm a parent to 3 grown kids and I am thankful that despite all the times when I could have quite cheerfully given them to white slave traders or vivisectionists, I was also able to deal with problems and parent and love my kids. No child asks to be born, he or she is here as a result of our own selfish behaviour, something that many 'parents' don't understand. My solution? Firstly, it's not always kids in care that cause the problems. Fines don't work - HCC, which is you and me pay the fines for kids in care. Whoever is responsible for this wanton vandalsim should be brought before the Courts and dealt with appropriately. If that involves a custodial sentence, then so be it, preferably one that's not comfortable, that will insist upon and impose a learning structure and programme of education to equip these people with the basics to function in society and achieve a level of behaviour that is acceptable to everyone and to understand the consequences their behaviour has had on the vicitims. I am able to say all this from the luxury of knowing that my property hasn't been vandalised for fun, and I know that if I had been one of the many victims I would be baying for blood by now.
Originally posted by James007
So what's your solution, bearing in mind you work in that field?
Reply ID 33542
Many years ago there was an establishment called Danesbury School, situate in Warren Park Road. In the course of my work I had many dealings with some of the kids there. Some were out and out criminals, others had ended up there, basically through no fault of their own, often due to family circumstances or inadequacies. I always remember one lad,at the ripe old age of 14, (and a good burglar, incidentally) who once said. "You know, I liked it more when this place was an "Approved School", 'cos you knew where you stood" It may not be too relevant to the present issue, but I think he was right, kids like to know where the line is drawn, and unfortunately, these days, the line isn't drawn at all
Reply ID 33545
Drifting off-topic
Reply ID 33715
Had a look at the local paper (one of the freebies that came through the door) and upon consulting with Mrs P was told that the same photo of the car with flat tyres was used in all the papers... Strange? No. But I'd just like to point out: THAT WAS MY CAR!!!! That's the second time I've been used in the press of late and am looking forward to retiring off the payments that are sure to be coming my way...any...day...now...
Reply ID 33743
In relation to the damage to car tyres in Bengeo over New Years Eve. Police have arrested a total of 8 persons in relation to the offences. All 8 are on bail and the police investigation is continuing. If anyone has any information then please call 0845 3300222 or crimestoppers on 0800 555111. There is a £1000 reward for any information leading to the conviction of the offenders.
Reply ID 33761
I think also my car was used in the Merury, I'm just glad that my other halfs roof was'nt slahed as well as 3 of his tyres, I felt so awful I apologised for days after.
Reply ID 33762
How many sports cars &/or convertibles had more than one tyre slashed?
Reply ID 33860
My boyfriend had 3 of his tyres slashed, seeing as they were smashing peoples window screens as well , It would not have been a giant leap for them to include any soft tops either. Curiously I was told via the corner shop grapevine, that one of the boys was seen and chased at 5am in the morning, caught stripped tied to a tree with a banner left over his head informing everyone that he was part of the gang doing this, then they informed the police anon of course, mind you this sounds to good to be true.