Topic ID 2146
The following has been placed by CS Productions recently. I just want to ask a question. Apart from the filth spouting from the crass female in the first clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlP5Jygyv0 How about the cost of replacing the bin and the waste strewn about, decimated by the author and his friends in this clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF3OwPsWTos The cost ends with us, the Council tax payers. I contacted Richard Hale today and I am awaiting a response.
Reply ID 29027
Hey teacher! Leave us kids alone!
Reply ID 29034
good music, typical teenage pranks, the owl on the t-shirt early on one clip has been drawn on the kids play equipment at Hertford castle, when they get older they will learn to think..hopefully..but sorry to say many of us have been there in our past (luckily pre-video)..alternative is to id those on clip and put them in the stocks overnight (might make a good video)..they'll grow up
Reply ID 29055
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I sat almost watery eyed at the end of the second clip, reminiscing. What a cracking bunch of lads. In a 10 minute montage they include just a single scene which can be considered in any way anti-social (the bin scene)......the rest is good fun. I don't see a bunch of low life............I see some lads having fun. I didn't see bullying in the school (and I saw no reference to the school name), I didn't see happy slapping, I didn't see mugging.............and it is not new either......my dad did this sort of thing.............I did worse.........and if this is the limit of my son's activities I will be more than pleased........and pleased that he had some fun. Get a grip.
Reply ID 29057
quote:I am absolutely sick to death of this kind of attitude. My mum will not walk anywhere near Hartham Common because of these people, and Hartham happens to be a place of serenity which Mums, Dads and children should be able to use without any fear. These are 16 and 17 year old youths, nearly men. They are not 10 year olds! Your dad might have felt the need to set fire to a bin, you might have felt the need to do the same. The Richard Hale uniform gives the game away by the way. Should we all educate our kids to do the same as you Ewoowar? Oh, and when they set fire to the bushes outside your house, be sure to give them a round of applause. I am sure a lot of the residents where you live will not join you.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I sat almost watery eyed at the end of the second clip, reminiscing. What a cracking bunch of lads. In a 10 minute montage they include just a single scene which can be considered in any way anti-social (the bin scene)......the rest is good fun. I don't see a bunch of low life............I see some lads having fun. I didn't see bullying in the school (and I saw no reference to the school name), I didn't see happy slapping, I didn't see mugging.............and it is not new either......my dad did this sort of thing.............I did worse.........and if this is the limit of my son's activities I will be more than pleased........and pleased that he had some fun. Get a grip.
Reply ID 29059
This post has nothing to do with the incident on Hartham or the linked clips, but does concern anti-social behaviour in Hertford and is therefore relevent to this thread. I've just come home from a thoroughly enjoyable evening at the Millfield Theatre in North London (see the 'Local Choirs???' thread) to find that a number of late teens / early twenties have had an equally grand eveing at the White Lion in Bengeo. A lot of drunken shouting and screaming, presumably about who is giving sexual favours to whomever, and social inadequates trying to be adults. Up to this point I would say 'let them get on with it.' But then I spot some brave soul hiding in Trinity Church graveyard, throwing carefully selected stones at those with whom he (presumably) has taken umbridge with. When he realised he'd been spotted he threw a stone at my window and ran off. As 'James007' has previously said, 'these are 16 and 17 year olds, nearly men...' Well, in this case they may be slightly older (having been drinking in the White Lion, one would presume that they are) but these are NOT nearly men, they are a very long way from being men or understanding what that should mean.
Reply ID 29061
quote:So please post as a separate thread. FWIW I understand the point you're making but it's got nothing to do with this thread other that the ASB element.
Originally posted by lemonjelly
This post has nothing to do with the incident on Hartham or the linked clips
Reply ID 29062
It's just that this thread is called 'Anti-Social Behaviour in Hertford'... But if it makes you happy, I'll start a new thread.
Reply ID 29063
quote:Similarly, some of us are "sick to death" of hysterical attitudes such as yours that brand all teenage behaviour as antisocial. If you don't like the videos why watch them?
Originally posted by James007
I am absolutely sick to death of this kind of attitude.
Reply ID 29064
to be honest, if these lads want to go about setting light to their shoes/crotches/posteriors etc then i'm certainly not going to stop them. If they want to risk burning their todgers then good luck to them. Their behaviour is certainly immature and in some ways irresponsible, but it seemed to be larking about for the most part. If they had intimidated or involved other members of the public, then its a different matter...
Reply ID 29065
quote:Sometimes the titles of threads are a little ambiguous and more wide ranging than the topics they actually cover. The subject of anti-social behaviour could cover many discussions, but it is clear from James007's post that his particular issue is with CSProductions's videos.
Originally posted by lemonjelly
It's just that this thread is called 'Anti-Social Behaviour in Hertford'... But if it makes you happy, I'll start a new thread.
Reply ID 29067
quote:Have to agree with above. Just kids having some fun and no real harm done. I'm sure we all did a few daft things when we were that age. Well put together piece of film and good music. Richard Hale is a good school my oldest son went there. I also know many other lads who have passed through there. All are now responsable adults who have done well and contribute towards society.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I sat almost watery eyed at the end of the second clip, reminiscing. What a cracking bunch of lads. In a 10 minute montage they include just a single scene which can be considered in any way anti-social (the bin scene)......the rest is good fun. I don't see a bunch of low life............I see some lads having fun. I didn't see bullying in the school (and I saw no reference to the school name), I didn't see happy slapping, I didn't see mugging.............and it is not new either......my dad did this sort of thing.............I did worse.........and if this is the limit of my son's activities I will be more than pleased........and pleased that he had some fun. Get a grip.
Reply ID 29068
quote:Have just looked at the first clip and its great. Our local youth going to Birmingham to make new friends with people their own age. OK there is swearing but that is typical of people that age. It is nothing new. I remember when my sons were that age and started meeting with girls. I thought the girls swearing was terrible at the time. They are now all in their 20's and the same girls are now a pleassure to behold and not a swear word in sight!
Originally posted by James007
The following has been placed by CS Productions recently. I just want to ask a question. Apart from the filth spouting from the crass female in the first clip.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlP5Jygyv0 How about the cost of replacing the bin and the waste strewn about, decimated by the author and his friends in this clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlP5Jygyv0 The cost ends with us, the Council tax payers. I contacted Richard Hale today and I am awaiting a response.
Reply ID 29069
The Hartham video looked like letting off steam at the end of term to me so let them incinerate their gonads if they want. The Birmingham stuff bored me after about a minute. Just youngsters being a bit silly in my book - and which of us can say we haven't been there at some point?
Reply ID 29072
Both clips are very funny, and very moving, actually. I thought they really captured youth. What a great way to learn chemistry! And did anyone spot the Richard Hale Headteacher putting in a cameo appearance?! And I LOVED the Birmingham clip (God's own city). Great quote from one of the Brummies "These people are from, like, 4 hours away". Just a note to CSProductions - if you really want to hear the Midlands accent at it's best, you should go to Dudley. The Merry Hill Shopping Centre is an absolute feast.
Reply ID 29094
C`mon. We all did this kind of thing when we where young. Admitedly i wouldn`t have been stupid enough to film it.....
Reply ID 29097
For those of us who can't view the vids (for whatever reason), can someone please give a quick recap.............ta
Reply ID 29195
quote:Somewhere out there is an 8mm cine film of myself and the artist formally known as Dill the Tourist jousting on motorcycles after many pints of Wadworths[:0]. Every generation thinks they were first and grows to forget they were ever young.
Originally posted by scowler
C`mon. We all did this kind of thing when we where young. Admitedly i wouldn`t have been stupid enough to film it.....
Reply ID 29331
well the skool mayhem video was done well over a year now and times have changed. since ive left school its suprising how fast ive grown up and insted of going blowing bins up i do more intresting stuff like going to birmingham as ive got a car and a job to pay for it. so people do grow up eventualy but i do admit to doing some silly stuff still but not vadalising stuff no more.
Reply ID 29332
I like the way you single out going to Birmingham as an example of doing more interesting things.
Reply ID 29360
I'm sick of 'killjoys' trying to stop every bit of fun teenagers have in Hertford, thanks to eveyone who is backing up CSproductions, Yes stupid thinggs have been done, most documented in the Mercury (including the Skool Mayhem videos) the school had already sorted that out, Researching would help next time. A tripp to birmingham is hardly anti-social behaviour, yes there is swearing, oh well im sure you swear from time to time and lets remember we are only teenagers. Lay off CSproductions he's a really nice guy and you'd be surprised how much he's changed.
Reply ID 29362
I don't want to get in the way of your fuming Veyron500, but I wasn't suggesting that a trip to our second city is anti-social. I simply couldn't help but enjoy CSProductions using the device of a trip to Birmingham as a measure of his move to gentility.
Reply ID 29363
quote:im trying to think of new stuff to do like using blue screen technology and doing spoof videos and stuff like that
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
I don't want to get in the way of your fuming Veyron500, but I wasn't suggesting that a trip to our second city is anti-social. I simply couldn't help but enjoy CSProductions using the device of a trip to Birmingham as a measure of his move to gentility.
Reply ID 29364
And I wish you much good fortune. It's trite, but we were all young once (it was only a few months ago). Patently ridiculous pursuits were my own and mostly everybody's only currency. The difference you have is that your exploits are being distributed for the scrutiny of disapprovers. I never had to justify my nonsense to anybody (except my parents and the police).
Reply ID 29369
quote:Sorry, i wasn't referring to your post i was referring to James007 youve done nothing wrong.[:D]
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
I don't want to get in the way of your fuming Veyron500, but I wasn't suggesting that a trip to our second city is anti-social. I simply couldn't help but enjoy CSProductions using the device of a trip to Birmingham as a measure of his move to gentility.
Reply ID 29411
I wish thatI had filmed some of the antics thatmy friends and I got up to.Setting fire to yourself is no new thing.I think that most of us have done or been a witness to this sort of behavior, at some point in there lives. I think its great,you are only young once[:D][:D][:D][:o)][}:)][:D]
Reply ID 29503
quote:Strangely enough no
Originally posted by dutch knight
I wish thatI had filmed some of the antics thatmy friends and I got up to.Setting fire to yourself is no new thing.I think that most of us have done or been a witness to this sort of behavior, at some point in there lives. [:D][:D][:D][:o)][}:)][:D]
Reply ID 29626
I find that hard to believe, I have certainly witnessed scenes like these and I think as has been stated this is just kids doing what you do before you get old enough to go down to the pub.
Reply ID 29632
Me neither Andrew
Reply ID 29635
Well it will come as no surprise to anybody that knows me that i rather lean to the csp point of view! Setting fire to bins is a worthy past time and as he says "he dont do it no more!" I should point out here that the only bins i set fire to where the old steel ones (which didnt melt that much). Whilst i would not critisise those people who have not done these kind of things, I think that we should all hold back on the slagging off of those who did/do...Its only a bit of fun!
Reply ID 29642
quote:....and may your council tax bill shoot up into the sky like a firework Mick.
Originally posted by Mad Mick
Well it will come as no surprise to anybody that knows me that i rather lean to the csp point of view! Setting fire to bins is a worthy past time and as he says "he dont do it no more!" I should point out here that the only bins i set fire to where the old steel ones (which didnt melt that much). Whilst i would not critisise those people who have not done these kind of things, I think that we should all hold back on the slagging off of those who did/do...Its only a bit of fun!
Reply ID 29645
And how is MY council tax going to be affected by a road trip to birmingham or setting fire to my genetalia? I only ask because on reading your post i checked my council tax bill breakdown and nowhere did it mention a levy for visiting foriegn parts (or setting fire to them!!)
Reply ID 29647
The removal of the contaminated bin and cleansing of the public land cost over 600 quid. Don't YOU pay for that?
Reply ID 29650
yeah but i dont care!!! £600 is nothing when you spread it over all the tax payers in the area! besides these guys parents pay aswell so why shouldnt the kids get a bit of use from council funds!
Reply ID 29651
I am sorry Mick that you don't care. Your reply gives nothing to those of us that pay money each month to the government for Council Tax. I doubt that you have any idea how much of your 'don't care' money is going up in smoke. I do care, by the way. By the way, can I come and set fire to your lawn? I won't pay a penny for the damage, I promise.
Reply ID 29653
Why should i give you something aswell as what i already pay??, btw your council tax goes to the COUNCIL, not the Government, the clue is in the name!! I am glad that you care, it makes up for those of us that dont. Yes by all means come set fire to my lawn, However, dont expect me to take the same "dont care" attitude. youre now talking about something that belongs to me!!
Reply ID 29654
Mick. The Tax is set by the Government, collected by the Council. Mick, yes you, and me, we pay for the up-keep of our parks through a monthly payment called COUNCIL TAX. We also pay for a lot more through this such as schooling for our kids, police service, fire service, leaf clearance, litter clearance etc. I could go on If someone does set fire to your well-kept lawn, remember that you have paid for it so it will be down to you to pay for the problem. We pay for the up-keep Hartham Common through the Council Tax mate, you and me.
Reply ID 29664
quote:Ok Mick - where do you draw the line then? Its only council tax after all, so lets burn down a swimming pool or a couple of village halls while we're at it. Hartham swimming pool or litter bin - arson is arson in my book.
Originally posted by Mad Mick
yeah but i dont care!!! £600 is nothing when you spread it over all the tax payers in the area! besides these guys parents pay aswell so why shouldnt the kids get a bit of use from council funds!
Reply ID 29671
Trust me, if you set fire the Mad Mick's lawn, Council Tax will be the last thing on your mind!
Reply ID 29949
OK, Firstly, sorry I missed the replys on this thread. Secondly....Hmm where to start....Council tax...set by the govt collected by the councils? ok we shall let that one go for now. Thirdly....I draw the line just in front of my house! Generally speaking i would agree that arson is arson, i think we all know that there is a bit of difference between a rubbish bin and Hartham pool (or maybe not but im sure thats being taken care of in another thread!) My point is this. I dont believe for one minute that there was any intended Malice in the activities we are discussing. Stupidity yes, Ignorance almost certainly, Youthfull over exhuberance in enjoying oneself asbo-bloody-lutely. I think that covers everything!
Reply ID 29957
There's a lot of arson about (sorry couldn't resist it). I agree with Mick in some ways, but it is a matter of balance. To much blanket, pre-emptive control and society becomes an oppressive regime to fight against, but with freedom there is a need for fast back-up to be available if things get out of hand on your doorstep. At one time there was a number to ring, which we all knew. Within a few seconds you would be talking to a desk sargent at a police station near you and a few minutes after that, a uniformed officer would show up to assess your complaint. We could allow high-jinks then, knowing it would not go too far and certain that those having fun also knew that unacceptable escalation would be swiftly quashed.
Reply ID 30453
had seen these videos before, ment to be funny i think not that i laughed once! an added point about anti social behaviour i really dont think that this is anti social behaviour and is only really damaging themselves. but from what i have heard although i didnt see it for myself so cant say it as a fact, but as i am not mentioning names it doesnt matter- but one of these guys is the one who pulled on the waterpipe at the marquee from what i know and its stuff like that that is damaging!
Reply ID 30498
Just to put my 2 peneth in...... Vandalism is vandalism no matter whether it is private or public property. It doesn't matter how young or old you are it shows a TOTAL lack of respect for other peoples property and sadly I find that all to common nowadays.[:(!] Don't get me wrong, we all got up to stupid stuff when we were younger but I can honestly say that we never damaged anything but ourselves or our own property. If we could all show more respect the world would be a much nicer place. Rant over
Reply ID 30502
quote:Splendidly put. However, I'm not sure this is new. Teddy boys slashing cinema seats in the late fifties, comes to mind. Vandalism was always wrong, always unacceptable behaviour, always outside normal society.
Originally posted by gemipicorn
Just to put my 2 peneth in...... Vandalism is vandalism no matter whether it is private or public property. It doesn't matter how young or old you are it shows a TOTAL lack of respect for other peoples property and sadly I find that all to common nowadays.[:(!] Don't get me wrong, we all got up to stupid stuff when we were younger but I can honestly say that we never damaged anything but ourselves or our own property. If we could all show more respect the world would be a much nicer place. Rant over
Reply ID 30510
"Teddy Boys slashing cinema seats in the late fifties" (if you'd added an "ir" to "the" it could have conjured up a whole new image! I'm still seething over Flappers in the twenties scratching table tops with their modern dancing....
Reply ID 30535
quote:Fair point. Most Teddy Boys did grow out of extreme behaviour long before "their" late fifties. Responses on this forum indicate that csproductions has too, since the making of the earlier video.
Originally posted by 60sDJ
"Teddy Boys slashing cinema seats in the late fifties" (if you'd added an "ir" to "the" it could have conjured up a whole new image! I'm still seething over Flappers in the twenties scratching table tops with their modern dancing....
Reply ID 30538
Was it just where I grew up or did other people also go through the stage of joining dozens of your schoolfriends in pitched battles in the streets with that utlimate foe - the nearby school.
Reply ID 30539
quote:We used the local playing field - or the top deck of the bus
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
Was it just where I grew up or did other people also go through the stage of joining dozens of your schoolfriends in pitched battles in the streets with that utlimate foe - the nearby school.
Reply ID 30555
In my school days we were taught that even outside of school uniform we still represented our school and our behaviour reflected on the school. Pitched battles with other schools were unheard of. Riding on pubic transport was an opportunity to show what we were made of.
Reply ID 30708
I've just been to Tesco, and you are still playing music in your cars very loudly. So loud that I couldn't hear what one of you said when I approached your group to chat. Do you actually think that what you are doing is going to have a positive message to all of us older people? And what was the long haired youth doing with the can??? Also, a Mk I or II Mex, was built with no radio.
Reply ID 30728
quote:Riding on pubic transport.....words fail me[:D]
Originally posted by Landy .....Riding on pubic transport was an opportunity to show what we were made of.