Topic ID 2098
Do you know that travelling from Hertford East the difference between an All zones season and a Liverpool St season is £760, from Ware its is £720 & from Broxbourbe & Cheshunt it is £600, something wrong there ?
Reply ID 28204
Yet another anomaly caused by the strange rail pricing structures. A Single from Liverpool St. to Ware is more expensive that Liverpool Street to Hertford - Work that one out. Also it is cheaper to buy a ticket from Hertford North to the edge of Zone 6 and then buy a 6 Zone Travelcard than it is to buy a Travelcard from Hertford
Reply ID 28206
What does "ONE" say ?
Reply ID 28207
ONE said FCC set prices who in turn said that it was TFL for travel cards !!
Reply ID 28209
What are the prices with & without all zones for HE and Brox if u have them to hand
Reply ID 28212
HE £2024 & £2784 BROX £1880 & £2480
Reply ID 28296
Hertford North to Canary Wharf with an FCC season ticket £2700 ish Hertford North to Bowes Park (edge of zone 3) then an Oyster card £2100 Say no more.
Reply ID 28300
Perhaps HE and HN shouldn't be classed as 1 station But then we could have the situation where it is cheaper to go from moorgate to HN than to go from Liverpool Street to HE
Reply ID 28826
quote:Would this mean getting off at Bowes Park to swipe your Oyster Card?
Originally posted by carlos fandango
Hertford North to Canary Wharf with an FCC season ticket £2700 ish Hertford North to Bowes Park (edge of zone 3) then an Oyster card £2100 Say no more.
Reply ID 28830
No. Technically you would have to only use trains that stopped at Bowes Park but I have used this method on trains that don't stop there and never had a problem. This method is also cheaper than buying a season ticket from Hertford North to Moorgate and you also get 3 zones of tubes and buses.
Reply ID 28832
John, do the ticket inspectors on the train have anything to say when you show them 2 tickets?
Reply ID 28835
I have a Hertford North to Gordon Hill train travelcard (on the grounds that all trains stop at Gordon Hill), and then a Zone 1-5 Oyster travel card. It was a significant saving and has worked fine since March. When the ticket inspector appears, I just produce the appropriate ticket for whichever part of the journey I'm on.
Reply ID 28837
As Kate says, you show them the ticket for the bit of the journey that you are on.
Reply ID 28838
1 lady insists i show her both tickets...she is pretty fierce at the best of times...but as the oyster isn't pay as you go it works fine.
Reply ID 28843
I guess this only works for travel card Oyster, not Pay as You Go?
Reply ID 28845
That's correct, Oyster Pay & Go isn't valid on the whole route. The good thing is that if you have an oyster card you can renew your travelcard online. You can also renew your FCC travelcard online.
Reply ID 28858
I work in underground zone 1 so is it cheaper to buy a HN train travelcard and then zone 1-5 oyster travelcard or HN to Bowes park and zone 1-3 oyster travelcard. Or is there no difference in price?
Reply ID 28863
It is cheaper to buy HN to Bowes Park then zones 1-3 travelcard. Probably saves £10 per month BUT you get freedom of zones 1-3 as well.
Reply ID 28923
If you try JS's method with a weekly ticket it costs £3 more (per week) than a London Terminals only ticket But 1 return trip to canary wharf (£4) and you are saving money
Reply ID 28927
I'd be buying an annual
Reply ID 28932
I also notice that a return from HN to Kings X is the same as HN to Finsbury Park (£11.40). Is Finsbury Park classed as a central London Station?
Reply ID 28987
quote:Hmmm. Thanks for this. Just called national rail enquiries and it actually saves considerably more than £10. For a monthly ticket, Hertford N to Bowes Park is £106, a zones 1-3 travelcard is £99.90. At a total of £205 per month this is over £60 cheaper than a monthly travel card which is, i believe, £267.30.
Originally posted by JohnSmith
It is cheaper to buy HN to Bowes Park then zones 1-3 travelcard. Probably saves �10 per month BUT you get freedom of zones 1-3 as well.
Reply ID 31802
Just checked for annual. 2006 prices: Oyster 1-3 is £1040 Hertford North to Bowes Park (no restriction on times) is £1104 About same as normal season ticket price so no savings to be had on annual. Edit: I mean no saving if don't normally get tube with season ticket, which I don't. Worth double checking if you do though.
Reply ID 32754
Hi, I travel from Hertford North - Moorgate and then from Moorgate to Canary Wharf I currently pay for daily £11.40 and then a further £4 a day from Moorgate to C.Wharf Is there a more efficient way of travelling, I'm sure I've left myself open for a barrage of recommendations Hope so, as I know I'm probably wasting money Thanks all [:)]
Reply ID 32817
quote:If you go every day then get a weekly to Bowes Park and then a zones 1-3 Travelcard (again Weekly on an Oyster) This saves about £16 per week over buying 5 Returns to Moorgate and 5 Returns to the Wharf. You can also do it Monthly and that costs ~£205 per month. 4 Weeks x £14.40 = £288 per month so that is a saving of £80+ Plus you don't need to queue up every day to buy your ticket.
Originally posted by kduman
Hi, I travel from Hertford North - Moorgate and then from Moorgate to Canary Wharf I currently pay for daily £11.40 and then a further £4 a day from Moorgate to C.Wharf Is there a more efficient way of travelling, I'm sure I've left myself open for a barrage of recommendations Hope so, as I know I'm probably wasting money Thanks all [:)]
Reply ID 32820
Wow, so are you saying then that after Bowes Park, your Oyster Is valid If you have Zones 1-3 travecard on It?? Just thinking If an Inspector came on after Bowes Park and wanted to see my ticket5, he'd see its only to Bowes Park, I didn't think they could read Oyster Cards Also I presume I have to ditch my Pay as you go Oyster card? Appreciate the help here [:D]
Reply ID 32821
You can have a season and PAYG on the same card. The inspectors should also be able to read Oysters as Oyster seasons are totally valid on national rail trains within their zones.
Reply ID 32822
quote:The inspectors have hand-held Oyster card readers to check your card is valid.
Originally posted by kduman
Just thinking If an Inspector came on after Bowes Park and wanted to see my ticket5, he'd see its only to Bowes Park, I didn't think they could read Oyster Cards
Reply ID 32825
kduman, only show the inspector the valid ticket for the part of the journey you are on. I used this method a few years ago when the company I was working for relocated to Docklands. I never had any problems.
Reply ID 32842
Thats great. Thanks all, the advice has been Invaluable Merry Chrismas all [:p]
Reply ID 34223
sorry about this - further query - I travel in from Hert N in the mornings and back to Hert E in the evenings (the latter being a short walk rather than a car journey but taking me 20-30 mins longer in the mornings due to timetable being pants). planning to get an annual ticket from Hertford Terminals to London Terminals for £2042 then using pay as you go oyster for Z1 journey - assume that I cannot get a Hertford Terminals to Z3 annual season ticket then top up with a Z1-3 travelcard as per the money saving tip here and use it for my journey? (I have tried to ring both One and FCC - after a 20 min or so wait got through to the latter - gave up on the former - and they had difficulty confirming I could use a Hertford Terminal annual for both stations.....but finally said yes it was possible - but I was not 100% confident so I balked at asking the more difficult question) if anyone does know the answer I would much appreciate it
Reply ID 34386
quote:Report from the Mercury that FCC are closing the loophole [:(] http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/01/19/commuters%20anger%20at%20400%20rail%20fare%20blunder.lpf
Originally posted by jez_p
Yet another anomaly caused by the strange rail pricing structures. A Single from Liverpool St. to Ware is more expensive that Liverpool Street to Hertford - Work that one out. Also it is cheaper to buy a ticket from Hertford North to the edge of Zone 6 and then buy a 6 Zone Travelcard than it is to buy a Travelcard from Hertford
Reply ID 34422
But it isn't just Crews Hill - Just don't mention the other station to the Mercury then. Sounds like an excuse to put up fares to me [xx(]
Reply ID 34425
quote:If you can manage to get a Hertford->Boundary Zone 3 Ticket then this may work. Either that or find a station that is on both lines (eg. Enfield Stations) and see if that works.
Originally posted by Killonekillkill
sorry about this - further query - I travel in from Hert N in the mornings and back to Hert E in the evenings (the latter being a short walk rather than a car journey but taking me 20-30 mins longer in the mornings due to timetable being pants). if anyone does know the answer I would much appreciate it
Reply ID 34493
Can we claim a rebate from teh Mercury for the fact that their big mouth has cost everyone aware of the loophole £400? Why couldnt they have just kept it shut?
Reply ID 34521
quote:My thoughts entirely. A few inches in the paper for a scoop and bang goes their readers loop hole. Nice one!
Originally posted by thefair1973
Can we claim a rebate from teh Mercury for the fact that their big mouth has cost everyone aware of the loophole £400? Why couldnt they have just kept it shut?
Reply ID 34532
Who is the Numpty that called the Mercury..blame him not them.
Reply ID 34543
If you live in Hertford and only travel to Crews hill you are going to be P****d off.
Reply ID 34565
quote:Wasn't it mentioned on this forum?
Originally posted by carlos fandango
Who is the Numpty that called the Mercury..blame him not them.
Reply ID 35118
Just for Info: Weekly Hertford to Bowes Park = £27 Weekly 3 Zone Travelcard = £27.40 = £54.80 Not sure what a 7 day london terminals or even a 7 day Travelcard costs though. Will have to check
Reply ID 35136
Hertford North to Moorgate £51.60 £2.80 more expensive but you get the freedom of 3 zones of buses & tubes. Hertford North to Canary Wharf £73.60 No brainer.
Reply ID 35175
I thought it seemed a bit odd that FCC were saying that they would stop people saving money by buying two tickets into London in May (given ticket prices usually go up in January), but this article explains it. Evidently they are going to be increasing fares twice a year now! http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384439-details/Train+chiefs+%27aim+to+raise+fares+twice+a+year%27/article.do
Reply ID 35192
I think Commuter power needs to prevail here. We cannot let the fat cats get any fatter can we? First we discover we can save money on over-Inflated priced fares, by purchasing two separate tickets (In my case a Monthly to Bowes Park from Hertford North, then a Zones 1-3 travelcard on oyster)and then we hear they plan to hike prices twice a year!!!......If there was more of us opposed to this, perhaps we could change things....just ask the banks and the bank charges fiasco! [:D]