Topic ID 2028
Our cat, Max, was killed by a car in West Street yesterday morning. I would just like to remind drivers to please be extra vigilant in residential areas as there are a high number of pets out there who may just escape the same fate if we can just use our eyes and slow down. I am not suggesting that this was necessarily the drivers fault and I am aware that there is not always time to stop but please just be aware that they are out there and to watch your speed and the road. Thank you for reading this post.
Reply ID 26643
sorry to hear about your pet, losing a part of the family is never nice. It has to be said though that the choice between running a cat over/hitting a bird etc or getting rear ended by someone by anchoring up, even from 30, isnt really a choice at all....
Reply ID 26644
Very sorry for your loss, I know exactly how it is to loose a loved pet. With regard to exiled im sorry mate, but if it ws a bird yes I agree. But a pet, for me thats a no brainer, the guy who is too close is gonna pay ! not the pet!
Reply ID 26645
If you are travelling fast enough to hit a pet that runs out then you are also travelling fast enough to hit a child that runs out. In residential areas you should cut your speed.
Reply ID 26646
I am constantly disgusted at the amount of cars that rev down our cul-de-sac - every time I hear it I make a mental note to stand in the road the next time I am out the front - not sure if I would actually have the bottle to do it but still - makes me mad!
Reply ID 26649
there is a difference between going at 30 / 40 and a cat running out from behind a hedge or the wheels of a parked car, to driving in a cul-de-sac/ estate and just bowling over a cat sat in the road. In the latter of course I would attempt evasive action if possible and safe, in the former I would almost certainly keep going, unless I had literally just checked my rear mirror. The risk otherwise would be too great to justify IMO.
Reply ID 26651
Sorry to hear that, not good! :(
Reply ID 26655
quote:And what about a child?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
there is a difference between going at 30 / 40 and a cat running out from behind a hedge or the wheels of a parked car, to driving in a cul-de-sac/ estate and just bowling over a cat sat in the road. In the latter of course I would attempt evasive action if possible and safe, in the former I would almost certainly keep going, unless I had literally just checked my rear mirror. The risk otherwise would be too great to justify IMO.
Reply ID 26658
Children are rather different as few children are both under 9 inches tall and capable of 0-15mph from under a car and thus easier to see and avoid. However, I'm currently watching cars pass my window and pedestrian crossing (Bengeo St) at 50mph+. Come on folks! Too fast!
Reply ID 26669
quote:Hold on, bec501 was saying to drive carefully in residential areas. Surely if you are in a residential area, with parked cars and other obstructions, you should be driving with extra caution and at an appropriate speed and anticipating that children, dogs and cats (domestic pets) may suddenly appear in the road. Knowing West Street, I would have thought the maximum appropriate speed dowm there, similar to Duncombe Road in Bengeo (and most of Lower Bengeo), would be 20mph. If road and weather conditions and time of day dictate, this would lower. This would give a longer reaction time for you, the idiot behind you in your boot and the child/dog/cat that jumped into your path. If someone goes into your car at even 20mph, with decent seatbelts and head restraints I cannot believe you would be seriously hurt and your insurers would get their money back from the other driver.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
there is a difference between going at 30 / 40 and a cat running out from behind a hedge or the wheels of a parked car, to driving in a cul-de-sac/ estate and just bowling over a cat sat in the road. In the latter of course I would attempt evasive action if possible and safe, in the former I would almost certainly keep going, unless I had literally just checked my rear mirror. The risk otherwise would be too great to justify IMO.
Reply ID 26672
Thank you all for you support. The simple point I was trying to make was that if running over anything can be avoided by either better observation or slowing ones speed then surely it is not asking to much of the motorist to take these points in to account when behind the wheel.
Reply ID 26673
It should be a pretty safe place for a cat. Unfortunately, it obviously isn't. Sorry to hear of the loss of Max.
Reply ID 26675
Very sad news. I agree with taking care when driving down residential streets, particularly as the twiglights we're getting at the moment make visibility particularly difficult. I have two cats and know how fast they can move when they want to. Sometimes the most careful driver can't avoid a pet that's making a dash for it.
Reply ID 26682
quote:Nor are parked cars, vans and other vehicles are not 9 inches high. I am six feet tall and if I walk into a road from behind a parked transit you wouldn't see me either. In a residential road with cars travelling close to parked vehicles you don't have to do '0-15mph', you simply have to step out from behind anything that obstructs you from the oncoming drivers view.
Originally posted by shunt
Children are rather different as few children are both under 9 inches tall and capable of 0-15mph from under a car and thus easier to see and avoid. However, I'm currently watching cars pass my window and pedestrian crossing (Bengeo St) at 50mph+. Come on folks! Too fast!
Reply ID 26683
Presumably your patterns of behaviour are different from a cat's, but yes, I concede that if a human being were to behave in the same way, they would be equally at risk. We are in agreement that both cat's and humans would be at less risk with slower speeds, I assume.
Reply ID 26684
Sad news about Max. I wonder if little feline flourescent jackets would make it safer for cats on the road? ... especially black cats?
Reply ID 26686
quote:Unfortunately cats are extremely vain. Put then in a flourescent jacket, they'd throw themselves under cars voluntarily.[:D]
Originally posted by azzza
Sad news about Max. I wonder if little feline flourescent jackets would make it safer for cats on the road? ... especially black cats?
Reply ID 26687
quote:A child is a different matter entirely. Most people would do what they can to avoid a kid, actions which can obviously cause a more serious accident than the one avoided. I cant help but thinking though - if people have such animals as cats and they roam pretty much free, is it reasonable that everyone else has to take responsibility for their animals and the motorist is lambasted for avoiding a potentially costly insurance and personal injury claim against them? What happens if the person who goes up your chuff isnt insured? Bring back the bloody tufty club I say and teach kids from the earliest age possible that the roads are for cars, and the paths are for people. The two do not mix very well....
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:And what about a child?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
there is a difference between going at 30 / 40 and a cat running out from behind a hedge or the wheels of a parked car, to driving in a cul-de-sac/ estate and just bowling over a cat sat in the road. In the latter of course I would attempt evasive action if possible and safe, in the former I would almost certainly keep going, unless I had literally just checked my rear mirror. The risk otherwise would be too great to justify IMO.
Reply ID 26688
quote:Yep, my behaviour is different from a cats but I think a small child has more similarities. They can bolt into a road without full consideration of the risks and once there may not be able to react quickly enough when confronted by the immediate danger and terror of a vehicle approaching at speed. As a child my brother was hit by cars three times. The first time, if the car hadn't been going so fast outside his primary school he might not have been hit, let alone had his legs wrapped round the axle and wheel. The second time, if the car hadn't been travelling so fast, and on the wrong side of the road, he might not have been hit let alone been thrown 30 feet through the air. So yes, I guess we agree..........careful driving at slower speeds in residential areas is a lot safer.
Originally posted by shunt
Presumably your patterns of behaviour are different from a cat's, but yes, I concede that if a human being were to behave in the same way, they would be equally at risk. We are in agreement that both cat's and humans would be at less risk with slower speeds, I assume.
Reply ID 26689
quote:the difference is that a child can be told and educated by their parents that the road is a dangerous place and should be kept out of, whereas a cat doesn't quite have the ability to take in a digest such instructions....
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Yep, my behaviour is different from a cats but I think a small child has more similarities. They can bolt into a road without full consideration of the risks and once there may not be able to react quickly enough when confronted by the immediate danger and terror of a vehicle approaching at speed. As a child my brother was hit by cars three times. The first time, if the car hadn't been going so fast outside his primary school he might not have been hit, let alone had his legs wrapped round the axle and wheel. The second time, if the car hadn't been travelling so fast, and on the wrong side of the road, he might not have been hit let alone been thrown 30 feet through the air. So yes, I guess we agree..........careful driving at slower speeds in residential areas is a lot safer.
Originally posted by shunt
Presumably your patterns of behaviour are different from a cat's, but yes, I concede that if a human being were to behave in the same way, they would be equally at risk. We are in agreement that both cat's and humans would be at less risk with slower speeds, I assume.
Reply ID 26692
quote:The issue is not one of the difference in intellect between cats and humans whereby humans are able to educate their children. It is simply that in a residential area the chances of a cat, dog, child or adult suddenly appearing in the road in front of your car are increased.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:the difference is that a child can be told and educated by their parents that the road is a dangerous place and should be kept out of, whereas a cat doesn't quite have the ability to take in a digest such instructions....
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Yep, my behaviour is different from a cats but I think a small child has more similarities. They can bolt into a road without full consideration of the risks and once there may not be able to react quickly enough when confronted by the immediate danger and terror of a vehicle approaching at speed. As a child my brother was hit by cars three times. The first time, if the car hadn't been going so fast outside his primary school he might not have been hit, let alone had his legs wrapped round the axle and wheel. The second time, if the car hadn't been travelling so fast, and on the wrong side of the road, he might not have been hit let alone been thrown 30 feet through the air. So yes, I guess we agree..........careful driving at slower speeds in residential areas is a lot safer.
Originally posted by shunt
Presumably your patterns of behaviour are different from a cat's, but yes, I concede that if a human being were to behave in the same way, they would be equally at risk. We are in agreement that both cat's and humans would be at less risk with slower speeds, I assume.
Reply ID 26693
quote:On that we are agreed. However, prevention is better than cure - if children are educated early enough and frequently enough they might stay out of the road. It seems some parents I see dont really give a monkeys what their children do, and they do exactly what they want. The number of young children (3/4/5ish) who ride their bikes in the road on our cul de sac, especially around the time people are coming in from work and parking - without helmets or supervision is quite frightening... A bit of common sense and responsibility from parents of errant children would go a long way to ameliorating the problem in the first instance
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:The issue is not one of the difference in intellect between cats and humans whereby humans are able to educate their children. It is simply that in a residential area the chances of a cat, dog, child or adult suddenly appearing in the road in front of your car are increased.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:the difference is that a child can be told and educated by their parents that the road is a dangerous place and should be kept out of, whereas a cat doesn't quite have the ability to take in a digest such instructions....
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Yep, my behaviour is different from a cats but I think a small child has more similarities. They can bolt into a road without full consideration of the risks and once there may not be able to react quickly enough when confronted by the immediate danger and terror of a vehicle approaching at speed. As a child my brother was hit by cars three times. The first time, if the car hadn't been going so fast outside his primary school he might not have been hit, let alone had his legs wrapped round the axle and wheel. The second time, if the car hadn't been travelling so fast, and on the wrong side of the road, he might not have been hit let alone been thrown 30 feet through the air. So yes, I guess we agree..........careful driving at slower speeds in residential areas is a lot safer.
Originally posted by shunt
Presumably your patterns of behaviour are different from a cat's, but yes, I concede that if a human being were to behave in the same way, they would be equally at risk. We are in agreement that both cat's and humans would be at less risk with slower speeds, I assume.
Reply ID 26694
We are wanderng around all over the place here, what with Ewooar's exceptionally unlucky brother (or lucky, assuming he is still with us) and cats in personal protective equipment! Can we agree that slower is safer, even for rhino who might hide behind lamposts and then suddenly leap out, heards of wilderbeast with inadequate parental supervision and any living creature which might suddenly appear in a puff of smoke two feet from your bumper?
Reply ID 26695
[/quote] On that we are agreed. However, prevention is better than cure - if children are educated early enough and frequently enough they might stay out of the road. It seems some parents I see dont really give a monkeys what their children do, and they do exactly what they want. The number of young children (3/4/5ish) who ride their bikes in the road on our cul de sac, especially around the time people are coming in from work and parking - without helmets or supervision is quite frightening... A bit of common sense and responsibility from parents of errant children would go a long way to ameliorating the problem in the first instance [/quote] But surely if you're driving in a cul-de-sac or residential family area, you must expect children and domestic pets to be around. I thought people were always complaining these days that in the good old days the kids could play on the streets without fear etc. etc. and now the sense of community is going and kids are stuck indoors on their playstations blah blah blah. How about common sense, responsibility and education of the drivers coming home from work?
Reply ID 26696
quote:Of course slower is safer, the end point of that strain of logic is that we are safest if we don’t move at all... I get the impression (possibly incorrectly) that you do not consider personal and parental responsibility to be important here and it is down to speed? Is this correct or incorrect?
Originally posted by shunt
We are wanderng around all over the place here, what with Ewooar's exceptionally unlucky brother (or lucky, assuming he is still with us) and cats in personal protective equipment! Can we agree that slower is safer, even for rhino who might hide behind lamposts and then suddenly leap out, heards of wilderbeast with inadequate parental supervision and any living creature which might suddenly appear in a puff of smoke two feet from your bumper?
Reply ID 26697
quote:On that we are agreed. However, prevention is better than cure - if children are educated early enough and frequently enough they might stay out of the road. It seems some parents I see dont really give a monkeys what their children do, and they do exactly what they want. The number of young children (3/4/5ish) who ride their bikes in the road on our cul de sac, especially around the time people are coming in from work and parking - without helmets or supervision is quite frightening... A bit of common sense and responsibility from parents of errant children would go a long way to ameliorating the problem in the first instance [/quote] But surely if you're driving in a cul-de-sac or residential family area, you must expect children and domestic pets to be around. I thought people were always complaining these days that in the good old days the kids could play on the streets without fear etc. etc. and now the sense of community is going and kids are stuck indoors on their playstations blah blah blah. How about common sense, responsibility and education of the drivers coming home from work? [/quote] The children have a field attached to the cul de sac which is 1 minute or less away. They seem to prefer to play in the road -many of them have gone into parked cars. Picked themselves up and peddled off, not giving a damn about the damage. It is not reasonable for them to get out of the way and keep out of the parking bays when im coming home from work ? Or am I being unreasonable?
Originally posted by 2929paul
Reply ID 26699
quote:Correct, but only in this context. West St is access only and therefore should only be used as a "shared driveway" to reach the properties within its confines. It is not a through route and there isn't a time factor to journeys. 10-15mph is about all that is reasonable here, whereas there are some roads on which 70mph seems too slow. Nobody suggested that we stop teaching road safety to children, or did I miss something?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:Of course slower is safer, the end point of that strain of logic is that we are safest if we don’t move at all... I get the impression (possibly incorrectly) that you do not consider personal and parental responsibility to be important here and it is down to speed? Is this correct or incorrect?
Originally posted by shunt
We are wanderng around all over the place here, what with Ewooar's exceptionally unlucky brother (or lucky, assuming he is still with us) and cats in personal protective equipment! Can we agree that slower is safer, even for rhino who might hide behind lamposts and then suddenly leap out, heards of wilderbeast with inadequate parental supervision and any living creature which might suddenly appear in a puff of smoke two feet from your bumper?
Reply ID 26700
quote:No, that all seems reasonable.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Correct, but only in this context. West St is access only and therefore should only be used as a "shared driveway" to reach the properties within its confines. It is not a through route and there isn't a time factor to journeys. 10-15mph is about all that is reasonable here, whereas there are some roads on which 70mph seems too slow. Nobody suggested that we stop teaching road safety to children, or did I miss something?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:Of course slower is safer, the end point of that strain of logic is that we are safest if we don’t move at all... I get the impression (possibly incorrectly) that you do not consider personal and parental responsibility to be important here and it is down to speed? Is this correct or incorrect?
Originally posted by shunt
We are wanderng around all over the place here, what with Ewooar's exceptionally unlucky brother (or lucky, assuming he is still with us) and cats in personal protective equipment! Can we agree that slower is safer, even for rhino who might hide behind lamposts and then suddenly leap out, heards of wilderbeast with inadequate parental supervision and any living creature which might suddenly appear in a puff of smoke two feet from your bumper?
Reply ID 26738
Sorry to hear abour Max bec501uk, but both you and I know the speed that the short-cutters and rat runners go down West Street at all times of the day and night, including police cars. I know that we would be totally devestated if our cat was run over, but he is very wary and stays in the garden when out. He is too fond of his creature comforts. (The squirrels amaze me though. They stop at the kerbside and watch and listen before they cross the road to raid our nut tree).
Reply ID 26743
Never easy to lose a pet... But if memory serve's me right there are distinct laws - yes laws - about cats and dogs and how they interact with society...! Like if a dog $hits in your garden you can call the law to deal with the owner - if a cat $hits - tough - they are seen as 'feral' animals! I walk from the wee round-a-bout at the bottom of Bullocks Lane up West Street most mornings and I can say that cars FLY up it - mental at best! Chris
Reply ID 26747
quote:Wow, is the same person who claimed "Speed does not kill" only a few month ago?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading "Of course slower is safer"
Reply ID 26789
quote:Yes, but as I added the end point of that strain of thought is that cars wouldn’t move at all. Collisions at 1mph instead of 90mph are obviously going to be less serious - you certainly don’t have to be a genius to work that out...
Originally posted by Dudequote:Wow, is the same person who claimed "Speed does not kill" only a few month ago?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading "Of course slower is safer"
Reply ID 26806
quote:
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:On that we are agreed. However, prevention is better than cure - if children are educated early enough and frequently enough they might stay out of the road. It seems some parents I see dont really give a monkeys what their children do, and they do exactly what they want. The number of young children (3/4/5ish) who ride their bikes in the road on our cul de sac, especially around the time people are coming in from work and parking - without helmets or supervision is quite frightening... A bit of common sense and responsibility from parents of errant children would go a long way to ameliorating the problem in the first instance
Originally posted by 2929paul
quote:
But surely if you're driving in a cul-de-sac or residential family area, you must expect children and domestic pets to be around. I thought people were always complaining these days that in the good old days the kids could play on the streets without fear etc. etc. and now the sense of community is going and kids are stuck indoors on their playstations blah blah blah. How about common sense, responsibility and education of the drivers coming home from work?
quote:Why don't you text the children just as you leave work and warn them that you'll be screeching round the corner in a few minutes, so to nip off and play in the field instead and make sure their pets are locked up indoors.
The children have a field attached to the cul de sac which is 1 minute or less away. They seem to prefer to play in the road -many of them have gone into parked cars. Picked themselves up and peddled off, not giving a damn about the damage. It is not reasonable for them to get out of the way and keep out of the parking bays when im coming home from work ? Or am I being unreasonable?
Reply ID 26812
quote:Why don't you think before you type such rubbish. The roads are not, and with exception to when cars were not common place, have never been a place for kids to "play", be it riding their bikes, or playing football. Especially so, when there is a bloody great big field for them to go and use which is no where near the road. Ever heard the phrase 'go and play with the traffic ?' I suggest you go forth and do so..
Originally posted by 2929paulquote:
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:On that we are agreed. However, prevention is better than cure - if children are educated early enough and frequently enough they might stay out of the road. It seems some parents I see dont really give a monkeys what their children do, and they do exactly what they want. The number of young children (3/4/5ish) who ride their bikes in the road on our cul de sac, especially around the time people are coming in from work and parking - without helmets or supervision is quite frightening... A bit of common sense and responsibility from parents of errant children would go a long way to ameliorating the problem in the first instance
Originally posted by 2929paulquote:
But surely if you're driving in a cul-de-sac or residential family area, you must expect children and domestic pets to be around. I thought people were always complaining these days that in the good old days the kids could play on the streets without fear etc. etc. and now the sense of community is going and kids are stuck indoors on their playstations blah blah blah. How about common sense, responsibility and education of the drivers coming home from work?quote:Why don't you text the children just as you leave work and warn them that you'll be screeching round the corner in a few minutes, so to nip off and play in the field instead and make sure their pets are locked up indoors.
The children have a field attached to the cul de sac which is 1 minute or less away. They seem to prefer to play in the road -many of them have gone into parked cars. Picked themselves up and peddled off, not giving a damn about the damage. It is not reasonable for them to get out of the way and keep out of the parking bays when im coming home from work ? Or am I being unreasonable?
Reply ID 26846
Sorry. It's only that young children in residential areas, like pets (and some adults), do stupid things. They feel safe and in a comfy environment, which is what parents would want. It does nobody any favours to get angry or agitated because children enjoying themselves are getting in the way of someone parking up. Taking care when you are aware that the children might be there sounds like a reasonable idea. Getting the children some road safety education is also a reasonable idea but won't necessarily stop them suddenly appearing in the road in front of you in your cul-de-sac.
Reply ID 26852
quote:Yes you are if you expect small children to always make the right decision on where to play! Have some consideration!
or am i being unreasonable?
Reply ID 26862
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat because if i remember rightly if you hit a cat you dont have to stop but if you hit a dog you do i find this very sad as thay are 99% shaw to be some ones pet and for me its heart breaking I have had the misfortune to have run over a cat and stopped to help it I found the owner took it to the vets paid the bills but sadly it passed away two days later and if that misfortune happened again i would do the same again as we have to remember thay are still someones family member (in animal form
Reply ID 26913
quote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26919
quote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26928
quote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26963
quote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26965
quote:Bitching isn't going to help Ewoowar. Exciled has made some common sense points, levied towards the way that we live today. The roads are not the same as when I played footie with my mates in the road. Time, unfortunately has changed and cats cannot be expected to roam without an element of misfortune. The same goes for an unsupervised child, sad to say.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26967
quote:I resent that. Everybody has their own perception of common sense and that is merely what I was trying to point out. The common sense that Exiled in Reading sees is not neccessarily the same as mine or anybody elses and I have a right to challenge the implication that my views are NOT common sense. Exiled has, in my view, posted some good posts that were founded in common sense (in my opinion). In fact I agree with the more recent psosts. However for those sections I disagreed with I did not resort to terms or comments such as 'bitching'. Berbatov, I am NOT 'bitching'. Allow people to indulge in constructive dialogue without such inflammatory comments.
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:Bitching isn't going to help Ewoowar. Exciled has made some common sense points, levied towards the way that we live today. The roads are not the same as when I played footie with my mates in the road. Time, unfortunately has changed and cats cannot be expected to roam without an element of misfortune. The same goes for an unsupervised child, sad to say.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26968
quote:The evidence is here in the thread for all to see - and as usual it appears to be someone else’s fault. Heaven forbid that parents actually take responsibility for their kids/animals and their actions, or indeed that grown adults take responsibility. As has been mentioned many times by posters here, "children and adults do stupid things". Well, many thanks to them for stating the bleeding obvious. Their stupidity is obviously ok and excusable now, isn’t it. Asking people to take responsibility for their actions and that of those in their care appears to be a slightly old fashioned thing. It appears to be far too much to ask at the moment. Its always someone else’s fault. I’m only in my twenties but it was drilled into me from an early age that the roads are for cars. They are not for recreational use, and if I try and use roads as such, there is only going to be one winner. One comment that still has me scratching my head is 2929Pauls comment that parents would want their children to "feel safe and comfy" at home and ergo in the roads around where they live. To be honest that sums up the 'questionable' views of many on this thread IMO. If his comment means that parents should be happy and acquiesce to their kids sitting/playing/larking about in the roads, and he thinks it is actually acceptable for children to play football/ muck about in what is a public highway (even where there is a fenced field a couple of minutes away in some instances)- I have to say I think he is quite insane. Edited to add: Ewooor, whilst I have noted what you have said, I'm not going to add "in my opinion/ or my perception is.." to everything I post. It is sort of implied when I post it that I am posting my views on a matter. Your attack on Berbatov is therefore pretty pointless…
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26972
quote:Attack on Berbatov? Don't be silly. 'Attack'?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:The evidence is here in the thread for all to see - and as usual it appears to be someone else’s fault. Heaven forbid that parents actually take responsibility for their kids/animals and their actions, or indeed that grown adults take responsibility. As has been mentioned many times by posters here, "children and adults do stupid things". Well, many thanks to them for stating the bleeding obvious. Their stupidity is obviously ok and excusable now, isn’t it. Asking people to take responsibility for their actions and that of those in their care appears to be a slightly old fashioned thing. It appears to be far too much to ask at the moment. Its always someone else’s fault. I’m only in my twenties but it was drilled into me from an early age that the roads are for cars. They are not for recreational use, and if I try and use roads as such, there is only going to be one winner. One comment that still has me scratching my head is 2929Pauls comment that parents would want their children to "feel safe and comfy" at home and ergo in the roads around where they live. To be honest that sums up the 'questionable' views of many on this thread IMO. If his comment means that parents should be happy and acquiesce to their kids sitting/playing/larking about in the roads, and he thinks it is actually acceptable for children to play football/ muck about in what is a public highway (even where there is a fenced field a couple of minutes away in some instances)- I have to say I think he is quite insane. Edited to add: Ewooor, whilst I have noted what you have said, I'm not going to add "in my opinion/ or my perception is.." to everything I post. It is sort of implied when I post it that I am posting my views on a matter. Your attack on Berbatov is therefore pretty pointless…
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26974
quote:I am really sorry Ewoowar, of course you weren't bitching. I couldn't have inflamed any comment that you had inflamed yourself as that would have been impossible. For the record, cats have a predatory instinct, a natural primeival quality that humans have lost, through some (questionable) evolution. The majority of parents teach and train their children to cope with stress; noise, unfamiliar situations and uncompromising times. Cats, however, are at the mercy of the mother, who, in most cases is removed from them close to birth so that the likes of you and I can 'look after' them. My belief: Cats tend to wander to the highway and the motorist doesn't tend to wander away from it. Thank god, I have this belief. Otherwise I'd be on the pavement towards the public.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I resent that. Everybody has their own perception of common sense and that is merely what I was trying to point out. The common sense that Exiled in Reading sees is not neccessarily the same as mine or anybody elses and I have a right to challenge the implication that my views are NOT common sense. Exiled has, in my view, posted some good posts that were founded in common sense (in my opinion). In fact I agree with the more recent psosts. However for those sections I disagreed with I did not resort to terms or comments such as 'bitching'. Berbatov, I am NOT 'bitching'. Allow people to indulge in constructive dialogue without such inflammatory comments.
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:Bitching isn't going to help Ewoowar. Exciled has made some common sense points, levied towards the way that we live today. The roads are not the same as when I played footie with my mates in the road. Time, unfortunately has changed and cats cannot be expected to roam without an element of misfortune. The same goes for an unsupervised child, sad to say.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Your own perception of common sense, that is.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:One of the few posts in this thread that has actually been written under the influence of something called common sense...
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:10 years ago, I lived on Port Hill and my little persian cat called Boris ran out into the road one morning and killed himself. Looking back, I was upset as he was tossed into a dustcart and didn't get a decent goodbye from my partner and I. Buying a cat in such a busy traffic environment was a daft thing to do, and whether or not the driver was going too fast or too slow, little Bozzy ultimately made the decision to play in the road. I wouldn't have minded but he used to cr*p himself when the post came through the letterbox so why he found the 'thunder' of traffic to be a joy is one to ponder on (not for too long though!). Children are infinitely different to cats and any child who hasn't been 'trained' that roads are for cars, shouldn't be in the road in the first place. As said earlier, bring back The Tufty Club.
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:Last winter I was driving home up Port Hill and saw a traffic bottle neck while cars took it in turns to drive around something. It was a beautiful black cat that had been killed. Nobody stopped to move him/her to the edge of the road and it was small mercy that people were taking the trouble to drive around it, for that I am truly grateful for the driver's compassion. I stopped and moved the poor beast to the pavement. Like jayzee, I view a pet as part of the family. I can understand if someone doesn't want to find the owner (abuse, cost, tears etc) yet I cannot understand why the pet is left in the middle of the road. With nights drawing in, there are going to be a few more situations like this; if it happens to you, please check the pet out and if necessary move the body from the road. Trying to explain to a child that their beloved pet has died is hard enough; try doing it when the body has been further abused by traffic and they want to say goodbye to their pet is awful.
Originally posted by jayzee
I do have a question im sorry to hear of your loss did the person in the car stop when thay hit your cat
Reply ID 26977
Cats may well be highly evolved predatory mammals but this can always be tempered by the opposable thumb. I have a Tonkinese cat. He's very lovely and seems content with snuggling, piddling in the DVD player and eating previous horse pieces. I never fail to enjoy those moments where he returns with a trophy dead sparrow only to be trumped by the sight of me filling in a form to join the Creationist Society - holding a pen. Mee-bloody-aaaow.
Reply ID 26978
I can't be arsed any further on this subject. As the brother of someone who was hit by cars 3 times and the 'owner' of cats who have been hit by cars many times I speak with experience on the subject, albeit probably biased. It all seems to have gotten a tad bitter. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just the discussion in general. I extend my sympathy to bec501uk. As a cat 'owner' I empathise and hope that if even only 1 one driver curtails their speeed on West Street as a result of your post then a good thing will have been done.
Reply ID 27001
quote:I agree this has run it's course and with the sentiments above. There is just one thing that puzzles me though. How did your brother get hit by cars three times? Surely, even if particularly resistant to road safety training, the Pavlov effect should have taken over.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
I can't be arsed any further on this subject. As the brother of someone who was hit by cars 3 times and the 'owner' of cats who have been hit by cars many times I speak with experience on the subject, albeit probably biased. It all seems to have gotten a tad bitter. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just the discussion in general. I extend my sympathy to bec501uk. As a cat 'owner' I empathise and hope that if even only 1 one driver curtails their speeed on West Street as a result of your post then a good thing will have been done. .
Reply ID 27015
Just an idea: Everyone buy a cat. Maybe two. Big lovable fluffy ones with gooey eyes. Put your cat out onto your street. Motorists will slow down. Our children will be safer. Don't we all love cats more than kids?
Reply ID 27019
I love kids (in a healthy, non-internet fashion) I even have a beautiful one of my own (with an extra one on the boil as we speak). I also have a cat - and he's nearly as hairy as me. Therefore, upon this sound logic, Today I'm gonna thunder down West St in my Y-Fronts. Anybody who doesn't like it can meet me in the White Horse for a pint of Guinness and a cuddle. After that I shall be talking about Arthur Schopenhauer's rigorous dismantling of the Christian/Humanist fallacy - if anybody's interested. Only an hour to go....
Reply ID 27028
Can I just say that I really wasn't expecting my post to cause such a heated debate although it has been very interesting to ready everyone’s opinions and I’m glad the subject has been brought to forum users’ attention. I'm sorry to read about all of you who have lost pets in similar circumstances and I would also like thank all of you who wrote condolences for Max and his family, they are very much appreciated and he is dearly missed by all of us. In answer to answers jayvee’s question – yes I believe a driver, maybe not the one who hit Max although I’d like to think it was, did stop after the incident as our cat was found next to a lamp post by one of our neighbours. With regards to the debate in general – This issue was never really about what had been run over but about the circumstance of the incident. It does not matter what time of day or in what conditions any driver is using a residential route, they should not be abusing the speed limit and, if anything, should be considering what creatures that may be inhabiting the area (be it animal or human) and what the implications are of driving a car with respect to that fact that they are in control of a very dangerous piece of machinery that should be used with the up most care and attention.
Reply ID 27030
For all their effectiveness in providing a platform and (sort of) focus, this is an example of the failings of internet forums. Topics which could summarily and even reverantly dealt with in the boozer through 10 minutes of haplessly constructed opinion and vocabulary mangling ****e, get to take two weeks of 'consideration' on a forum. I'm not sure the pace is altogether helpful. Cat's are mostly lovely. People are mostly lovely. Cuddle them all. Hang on - did I say 'boozer'?. 12:30! What am I doing...? Good night.
Reply ID 27032
I think that there are some important points that have been made in this thread. 1. Drivers need to be aware of possible hazards when they drive. This includes but is not limited to cats, dogs and humans. 2. People need to take responsibility for their actions and inactions. Letting your cat roam free in the road is increasing the risk that it may get run over - (like poor max). Ultimately your choice to let the cat out of the house led to the accident. Likewise if a driver is driving too fast to avoid a potential hazard, then they also need to take some responsibility for the consequences.
Reply ID 27033
I agree that this thread has produced some interesting views and it is the nature of forums that they often wander far from the original point, like word association, the original post acting as a CATalyst. That, in my opinion, is their value. As for keeping cats indoors;- not viable. Shut a cat in, it'll stand at the door with plaintive crys of "Me-out, me-out"). Leave the door open and you can't get the beggar off your lap!
Reply ID 27037
Actually Shunt, we have an 'indoor cat'. Seems cruel I accept. When we got him we lived in a first floor flat but I have always had pets (mostly for lunch) so I felt the house needed one. We did a wee bit of research and found that Tonkinese (a pedigree mix of Siamese & Burmese) are apprently happy being housebound so long as that is all they have known. Living in Old Cross I suspect if we let him out he would be 2 dimensional in no time.
Reply ID 27038
Looking back on the posts here, I seem to have mentioned that I have a cat 3 times in one page. Readers shouldn't misunderstand this as unhealthy feline trinket pride. It's merely on-topic emphasis. I also have a car.
Reply ID 27039
quote:Shhh! I'm under pressure from small people to have another pet. Having sobbed my heart out in a most unmanly way when my last dear friend was converted into a furry frisbee, I'm resisting. Do hamsters need walkies?
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
Actually Shunt, we have an 'indoor cat'. Seems cruel I accept. When we got him we lived in a first floor flat but I have always had pets (mostly for lunch) so I felt the house needed one. We did a wee bit of research and found that Tonkinese (a pedigree mix of Siamese & Burmese) are apprently happy being housebound so long as that is all they have known. Living in Old Cross I suspect if we let him out he would be 2 dimensional in no time.
Reply ID 27044
quote:Your view of taking responsibility seems to ignore the responsibility that drivers have towards other road users. Speeding cars in residential areas are not acting responsibly in my view and are far too frequent for safety. Incidentally, roads are *not* just for cars but are used by pedestrians (for eaxmple to cross from one side to the other as well as walking down them) and cyclists to name but two groups. I agree that road users have a responsiblity, but that applies to *all* road users.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading Heaven forbid that parents actually take responsibility for their kids/animals and their actions, or indeed that grown adults take responsibility.
Reply ID 27052
I would not object to speed bumps down West Street. Rat runners may then use a more appropriate road. Kids could also be alerted as the undersides of cars make that scraping noise when the exhaust hits the tarmac.
Reply ID 27053
quote:Spooky, whilst I totally agree with speed bumps in certain areas, I feel West Street doesn't need them as it has 'access only' already. What is needed is a stronger level of police enforcement for a couple of weeks. Word will soon spread round County Hall quicker than Lady Mucca's lawyer.
Originally posted by spooky
I would not object to speed bumps down West Street. Rat runners may then use a more appropriate road. Kids could also be alerted as the undersides of cars make that scraping noise when the exhaust hits the tarmac.
Reply ID 27058
quote:The road surface already does that; people voluntarily use the kerbs as self-inflicted speed bumps when they meet someone coming the right way down the road... [V]
Originally posted by spooky
I would not object to speed bumps down West Street. Rat runners may then use a more appropriate road. Kids could also be alerted as the undersides of cars make that scraping noise when the exhaust hits the tarmac.
Reply ID 27124
quote:If you are thundering down West Street, what is wrong with the Black Horse already in West Street? It saves you risking life and limb on the crossing to get to the WH.
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
I love kids (in a healthy, non-internet fashion) I even have a beautiful one of my own (with an extra one on the boil as we speak). I also have a cat - and he's nearly as hairy as me. Therefore, upon this sound logic, Today I'm gonna thunder down West St in my Y-Fronts. Anybody who doesn't like it can meet me in the White Horse for a pint of Guinness and a cuddle. After that I shall be talking about Arthur Schopenhauer's rigorous dismantling of the Christian/Humanist fallacy - if anybody's interested. Only an hour to go....
Reply ID 27125
quote:Speed bumps are a "no no" in West Street because of access for emergency vehicles. The road is far too narrow. At least that is what we have been told.
Originally posted by spooky
I would not object to speed bumps down West Street. Rat runners may then use a more appropriate road. Kids could also be alerted as the undersides of cars make that scraping noise when the exhaust hits the tarmac.
Reply ID 27132
quote:No Shunt they do not, HOWEVER as the owner of both cats AND hamsters i can strongly reccomend that the two are kept well apart, (those who have heard the story may figure out who i am at this point!!)
Originally posted by shuntquote:Shhh! I'm under pressure from small people to have another pet. Having sobbed my heart out in a most unmanly way when my last dear friend was converted into a furry frisbee, I'm resisting. Do hamsters need walkies?
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
Actually Shunt, we have an 'indoor cat'. Seems cruel I accept. When we got him we lived in a first floor flat but I have always had pets (mostly for lunch) so I felt the house needed one. We did a wee bit of research and found that Tonkinese (a pedigree mix of Siamese & Burmese) are apprently happy being housebound so long as that is all they have known. Living in Old Cross I suspect if we let him out he would be 2 dimensional in no time.
Reply ID 27200
quote:You should've saved your money and hit it with a spade.
Originally posted by Mad Mickquote:No Shunt they do not, HOWEVER as the owner of both cats AND hamsters i can strongly reccomend that the two are kept well apart, (those who have heard the story may figure out who i am at this point!!)
Originally posted by shuntquote:Shhh! I'm under pressure from small people to have another pet. Having sobbed my heart out in a most unmanly way when my last dear friend was converted into a furry frisbee, I'm resisting. Do hamsters need walkies?
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
Actually Shunt, we have an 'indoor cat'. Seems cruel I accept. When we got him we lived in a first floor flat but I have always had pets (mostly for lunch) so I felt the house needed one. We did a wee bit of research and found that Tonkinese (a pedigree mix of Siamese & Burmese) are apprently happy being housebound so long as that is all they have known. Living in Old Cross I suspect if we let him out he would be 2 dimensional in no time.
Reply ID 27203
A quick response to eir's earlier post about my sanity. My concerns are that car drivers tend to forget that, in residential areas, there is a possibility that children having fun and playing ball games, for example, might suddenly dash out to retrieve said ball without thinking. Domestic animals can also appear without warning in such areas and therefore I believe we should drive with caution and reduce our speed as appropriate. 30mph may be the speed limit down West Street but it is not appropriate for that particular road to go faster than 20mph.(My opinion, obviously and feel free to shoot/knock me down on that one.) I am sad to see cats and dogs hit by traffic, sadder still to hear of humans being hit. I have no feelings about hamsters and would suggest that it would be rude of Herbert to run down West Street without stopping off in the Black Horse for a swift one.