Topic ID 1868
Well - what can really be said about women with prams who insist on throwing themselves in front of cars that are legitimately using the vehicle exit, and the cyclists who ride into the clearly marked exit whilst they should either use the pedestrian or main entrance. And then they eff and blind like it's your fault[:0] But better still - on 2 separate occasions I have had to stop whilst driving past Tesco when some brain-dead moron, who can't wait for the traffic to leave from the main exit, decides he's gonna leave by the Ware Road and turn RIGHT into the oncoming traffic (me), clip the corner of the barrier island in the middle of the road, then drive over to the other side and onwards back into town! Fantastic. Yes - I have complained to Tesco and suggested that perhaps the barrier island needs to be extended another 6'+ towards town.
Reply ID 23640
Could it be that these people are deliberately targeting you? Do they know you? I agree 'though, the Ware Road exit can be dodgy.
Reply ID 23658
quote:Ha ha and aha! Perhaps they're stalking me! I'm sure they don't know me but we have almost become quite intimately acquainted on numerous occasions. It's to be hoped that Tesco and Local Council can do something between them to prevent these reckless 'I'm alright Jacks' from causing a major accident.
Originally posted by lemonjelly
Could it be that these people are deliberately targeting you? Do they know you? I agree 'though, the Ware Road exit can be dodgy.
Reply ID 23797
Don't forget that the pedestrians have right of way!
Reply ID 23800
It should be made into a proper pedestrian crossing before someone gets hurt. Its needs some white stripes.
Reply ID 23803
I think the whole junction needs redesigning so its safe for all road users and pedestrians alike
Reply ID 23830
I think the point has been lost somewhat - this isn't about pedestrians or their perceived rights of way. This is about the solely vehicular exit from Tesco, turning left on to the Ware Road. It is clearly marked No Pedestrian Access/Exit, yet people STILL insist on hurling themselves in front of cars, usually with a pram, to then walk in front of said cars and out on to the Ware Road. There are even pavement obstructors to prevent this from happening, making in blindingly obvious to even the most dense person that they are not supposed to use that exit, so to avoid trying to tippy-toe across them with a pram/bike/nicked trolley, the jaywalkers walk in front of the cars! Add to that the stupidity of others who choose to walk or ride into the EXIT and those with homicidal/suicidal tendencies who decide that they WILL turn right into the oncoming traffic despite it being a LEFT turn only. Pedestrian access has no part here at all. This is about downright dangerous laziness.
Reply ID 23859
quote:How?
Originally posted by Dude
Don't forget that the pedestrians have right of way!
Reply ID 23861
I am quite often amazed at mums with buggies/prams not just at Tesco but on lots of highways who themselves stop at the kerb to cross but their buggy/pram is half inclined into the road - do they not think of their child's safety? Do they suppose that the driver will automatically stop (even at risk to the driver perhaps.)
Reply ID 23873
quote:Oh, I see what you mean! Yep, I agree. There are some stupid people around! [:)]
Originally posted by Fish Wife
I think the point has been lost somewhat - this isn't about pedestrians or their perceived rights of way. This is about the solely vehicular exit from Tesco, turning left on to the Ware Road. It is clearly marked No Pedestrian Access/Exit, yet people STILL insist on hurling themselves in front of cars, usually with a pram, to then walk in front of said cars and out on to the Ware Road.
Reply ID 23874
quote:[:D]
Originally posted by Dudequote:Oh, I see what you mean! Yep, I agree. There are some stupid people around! [:)]
Originally posted by Fish Wife
I think the point has been lost somewhat - this isn't about pedestrians or their perceived rights of way. This is about the solely vehicular exit from Tesco, turning left on to the Ware Road. It is clearly marked No Pedestrian Access/Exit, yet people STILL insist on hurling themselves in front of cars, usually with a pram, to then walk in front of said cars and out on to the Ware Road.
Reply ID 23875
quote:If a pedestrian has already started to cross the road at a junction, they have priority over a car. But I see Fish Wife means people who decided to walk the wrong way up a one way exit! [:D]
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:How?
Originally posted by Dude
Don't forget that the pedestrians have right of way!
Reply ID 23877
quote:Please tell me you are joking. You actually complained to Tesco regarding the siting of a barrier island and that it should be extended 6 feet further towards the town? Is it just me?????
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Well - what can really be said about women with prams who insist on throwing themselves in front of cars that are legitimately using the vehicle exit, and the cyclists who ride into the clearly marked exit whilst they should either use the pedestrian or main entrance. And then they eff and blind like it's your fault[:0] But better still - on 2 separate occasions I have had to stop whilst driving past Tesco when some brain-dead moron, who can't wait for the traffic to leave from the main exit, decides he's gonna leave by the Ware Road and turn RIGHT into the oncoming traffic (me), clip the corner of the barrier island in the middle of the road, then drive over to the other side and onwards back into town! Fantastic. Yes - I have complained to Tesco and suggested that perhaps the barrier island needs to be extended another 6'+ towards town.
Reply ID 23886
quote:It must be, because believe me you would know if I was joking. Let me have another go here - This is NOT about the main entrance/exit to Tesco, this is about the additional exit that is LEFT TURN ONLY on to The Ware Toad, heading towards Ware. It's not a junction or a crossing although pedestrians have a right of way only to CROSS the exit. They do not have a right to enter or leave by this EXIT. Yes the barrier needs to be extended to make it completely impossible for idiots to turn right out of the left only exit. In order to complete this act of lunacy they first have to mount the pavement that is already curved towards the left, drive towards the incoming traffic then clip the edge of the barrier island before getting over to the other side of the street to carry on the merry and oblivious way back towards town! An increase in the length of the island together with the barrier rail would make this feat of jackass stupidity impossible. Surely a small price and amount of inconveniece in order to make the exit safer. [:(!]
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:Please tell me you are joking. You actually complained to Tesco regarding the siting of a barrier island and that it should be extended 6 feet further towards the town? Is it just me?????
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Well - what can really be said about women with prams who insist on throwing themselves in front of cars that are legitimately using the vehicle exit, and the cyclists who ride into the clearly marked exit whilst they should either use the pedestrian or main entrance. And then they eff and blind like it's your fault[:0] But better still - on 2 separate occasions I have had to stop whilst driving past Tesco when some brain-dead moron, who can't wait for the traffic to leave from the main exit, decides he's gonna leave by the Ware Road and turn RIGHT into the oncoming traffic (me), clip the corner of the barrier island in the middle of the road, then drive over to the other side and onwards back into town! Fantastic. Yes - I have complained to Tesco and suggested that perhaps the barrier island needs to be extended another 6'+ towards town.
Reply ID 23888
quote:Actually, once anyone is on the "exit" is it private property (Tesco) and therefore there are no laws that can apply with regard to the highway code. The only "punishment" would be if Tesco chose to bar them from their land. If a car turns right, that could be an offence, as it would be happening on a public highway.
Originally posted by Fish Wifequote:It must be, because believe me you would know if I was joking. Let me have another go here - This is NOT about the main entrance/exit to Tesco, this is about the additional exit that is LEFT TURN ONLY on to The Ware Toad, heading towards Ware. It's not a junction or a crossing although pedestrians have a right of way only to CROSS the exit. They do not have a right to enter or leave by this EXIT. [:(!]
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:Please tell me you are joking. You actually complained to Tesco regarding the siting of a barrier island and that it should be extended 6 feet further towards the town? Is it just me?????
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Well - what can really be said about women with prams who insist on throwing themselves in front of cars that are legitimately using the vehicle exit, and the cyclists who ride into the clearly marked exit whilst they should either use the pedestrian or main entrance. And then they eff and blind like it's your fault[:0] But better still - on 2 separate occasions I have had to stop whilst driving past Tesco when some brain-dead moron, who can't wait for the traffic to leave from the main exit, decides he's gonna leave by the Ware Road and turn RIGHT into the oncoming traffic (me), clip the corner of the barrier island in the middle of the road, then drive over to the other side and onwards back into town! Fantastic. Yes - I have complained to Tesco and suggested that perhaps the barrier island needs to be extended another 6'+ towards town.
Reply ID 24037
No doubt that is the case regarding pedestrians entering and leaving the vehicle exit. The point being made to Tesco is that some people are choosing to behave recklessly. It is bad enough when pedestrians put themselves and others at risk, but infinitely more dangerous when drivers blatantly do the same. So, perhaps in the interest of community relations and the safety of the general public, they need to liaise with Highways/whoever to find a solution. I'm sure we would all agree that come the day that someone is seriously hurt or killed, it will be Tesco whose name is spread over the local rag as being at fault.
Reply ID 24384
I know I'm a new member here but I think we need to be mindful of an important fact. Flesh comes off worse against metal! Even though pedestrians should not walk across an area not marked out for them we need to be careful when existing Tesco's, after all outside of a car we are all pedestrians, No?
Reply ID 24396
Landy, pedestrian's shoudn't assume a holier than thou attitude when crossing roads. There is nothing worse than the "because I'm on a pedestrian crossing I have the right of way / guaranteed safety until I get to the other side" air about them. Cars may be able to pull up in a hurry when the holier than thou brigade (and, as Fishwife says, often pushing prams) just walk straight out, but motor bikes risk accidents having to yank on the brakes at very short notice!
Reply ID 24411
60sDJ, pedestrians do have the right of way on a zebra crossing and drivers/riders should be mindful when approaching crossings that pedestrians may decide to use them even at short notice. If you're travelling at the correct speed yanking on the brakes will not be an issue, surely? They don't all have holier than thou attitudes either but even if they do the responsibility lies with vehicle drivers.
Reply ID 24469
quote:So, responsibility lies with drivers for pedestrians often careless actions at crossings or as was the original subject of this discussion the Tesco's exit?? I'm not saying we drivers and riders should not take some care but to be held responsible for their holier than thou attitude wherever and whenever they feel like it is asking too much. C'mon, please!!!
Originally posted by Landy
60sDJ, pedestrians do have the right of way on a zebra crossing and drivers/riders should be mindful when approaching crossings that pedestrians may decide to use them even at short notice. If you're travelling at the correct speed yanking on the brakes will not be an issue, surely? They don't all have holier than thou attitudes either but even if they do the responsibility lies with vehicle drivers.
Reply ID 24473
Please return to topic
Reply ID 24815
Well, to get this back to where it should be...... the problem is about drivers who turn right on to the Ware Road into the oncoming traffic, despite the fact that the exit is built for left turn only. Add to that the suicidal pedestrians who hurl themselves, and as often as not, their offsprings in buggies in front of the cars that are leaving the car park - despite signage to say there is no pedestrian access, who then, in addition to hurling themselves in front of said cars, then hurl the usual expletives consisting of *&+k off you %^>t when you have the timerity to suggest that they shouldn't be accessing or exiting by these means. Then to the mixing pot add the "law unto themselves cyclists" who think they have a God-given right to do as they please and want to enter the car park by the exit - est voila........mayhem. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the 'rights' of pedestrians crossing the exit. Of course vehicles should stop to allow this to happen. Conversely, pedestrians should not assume that they can jump in front of moving vehicles with out some likelihood of getting hit. [:(!]
Reply ID 24818
Surely the rule is simple. Cars can only turn out of the Ware Road exit LEFT. If they turn right, an offence has been committed. Asking Highways or Tesco or EHDC or my grandad to move the island will not make a spot of difference. People will still turn right with the same lame regard for a pedestrian Fishwife!! The Police enforce this kind of thing. Call them, it may help.
Reply ID 24820
quote:Yes - agree, it is the police that should enforce this as it is an offence. BUT - if committing the offence is made completely impossible without totally demolishing the barrier and island, plus having to drive perhaps another 20' into the oncoming traffic, there is a chance, albeit very slim, that the lame-brainers might have some sort of neural synapse function that makes them think before trying to shave a few seconds off their journey times. Prevention is surely better than cure, especially when the 'cure' in the form of the local constabulary, isn't always to hand, and just how long will it take to track down the offenders, and how much money will it cost to keep enforcing the law? Now I think that there would perhaps be quite a few granddads that would agree with that premise.
Originally posted by Berbatov
Surely the rule is simple. Cars can only turn out of the Ware Road exit LEFT. If they turn right, an offence has been committed. Asking Highways or Tesco or EHDC or my grandad to move the island will not make a spot of difference. People will still turn right with the same lame regard for a pedestrian Fishwife!! The Police enforce this kind of thing. Call them, it may help.
Reply ID 24822
quote:As I said before, contact the Highways Dept. In fact, walk across Ware Road (make sure you use the pedestrian crossing), they can be found at the Rotunda opposite Tesco. Hope this helps.
Originally posted by Fish Wifequote:Yes - agree, it is the police that should enforce this as it is an offence. BUT - if committing the offence is made completely impossible without totally demolishing the barrier and island, plus having to drive perhaps another 20' into the oncoming traffic, there is a chance, albeit very slim, that the lame-brainers might have some sort of neural synapse function that makes them think before trying to shave a few seconds off their journey times. Prevention is surely better than cure, especially when the 'cure' in the form of the local constabulary, isn't always to hand, and just how long will it take to track down the offenders, and how much money will it cost to keep enforcing the law? Now I think that there would perhaps be quite a few granddads that would agree with that premise.
Originally posted by Berbatov
Surely the rule is simple. Cars can only turn out of the Ware Road exit LEFT. If they turn right, an offence has been committed. Asking Highways or Tesco or EHDC or my grandad to move the island will not make a spot of difference. People will still turn right with the same lame regard for a pedestrian Fishwife!! The Police enforce this kind of thing. Call them, it may help.
Reply ID 24831
Fish Wife - can you do me a big favour and explain the meaning of synapse. It is possibly one of the few words that offer a translation of a difficult bit of handwriting on the death certficiate of a murder victim in 1907. I have just corrected the first draft and my publisher - not to mention me - would be delighted if we could solve this riddle. Basically the victim had her throat cut. More than happy to give you a footnote credit if you agree.
Reply ID 24836
quote:Wow - as long as I don't have to have my throat cut! I can only assume that the cutting of the victim's throat was seen to be the reason why her synapses stopped functioning. Synapse Information travels from one neuron to another along the synapse - the synapse is the gap between the neurons! If visible to the naked eye this would be seen as something resembling electrical arcing. Obviously this gap may be quite large judging from the driving ability of some locals...... That will be 50 quid please. My parents will be so pleased that the money spent on my education wasn't entirely wasted.
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
Fish Wife - can you do me a big favour and explain the meaning of synapse. It is possibly one of the few words that offer a translation of a difficult bit of handwriting on the death certficiate of a murder victim in 1907. I have just corrected the first draft and my publisher - not to mention me - would be delighted if we could solve this riddle. Basically the victim had her throat cut. More than happy to give you a footnote credit if you agree.
Reply ID 24840
Thanks Fish Wife - does make sense. I don't really want to send the rest of this forum to bed with nightmares but if you don't mind getting in touch with me through my profile happy to explain what all this is about and why I am so eager to finalise this particular piece of research.
Reply ID 24842
quote:Fishwife, although the gap is expected to be about 20 nm wide, of course there will without doubt be variations and thus your comment perhaps initially intended in jest actually has a basis in very real fact. I suppose it is another example of the expression "Many a true word spoken in jest".
Originally posted by Fish Wife Synapse Information travels from one neuron to another along the synapse - the synapse is the gap between the neurons! If visible to the naked eye this would be seen as something resembling electrical arcing. Obviously this gap may be quite large judging from the driving ability of some locals......
Reply ID 24959
quote:????? Landy,I dispair, I really do. Obviously FishWife was introducing an element of humour perhaps even exercising a little bit of sarcasm (perhaps 40nm's?) in suggesting the gap may be quite wide.... Reading her explanation of such an issue makes me suspect she's something of a medical bigshot in one of the achieving hospitals. They normally don't suffer fools gladly, so you'll probably get a response from her too.[:D]
Originally posted by Landyquote:Fishwife, although the gap is expected to be about 20 nm wide, of course there will without doubt be variations and thus your comment perhaps initially intended in jest actually has a basis in very real fact. I suppose it is another example of the expression "Many a true word spoken in jest".
Originally posted by Fish Wife Synapse Information travels from one neuron to another along the synapse - the synapse is the gap between the neurons! If visible to the naked eye this would be seen as something resembling electrical arcing. Obviously this gap may be quite large judging from the driving ability of some locals......
Reply ID 25018
quote:Landy - are you possibly guilty of almost creating havoc on the Ware Road? Proof positive that the gap can even exceed 40mm!
Originally posted by Landyquote:Fishwife, although the gap is expected to be about 20 nm wide, of course there will without doubt be variations and thus your comment perhaps initially intended in jest actually has a basis in very real fact. I suppose it is another example of the expression "Many a true word spoken in jest".
Originally posted by Fish Wife Synapse Information travels from one neuron to another along the synapse - the synapse is the gap between the neurons! If visible to the naked eye this would be seen as something resembling electrical arcing. Obviously this gap may be quite large judging from the driving ability of some locals......
Reply ID 25022
I am a very careful driver and would never exceed the stipulated speed limit in built up areas of 20 or as may be the case sometimes 30 mph. I did once make an error of judgement when exiting a public car park and found myself driving towards oncoming traffic. However and thankfully I managed to stop in time and after apologising to the other driver managed to reverse back into the car park. I didn't drive for the rest of the day on that occaision. But isn't it funny how some drivers don't allow for simple errors of judgement in this case the other drive seemed very angry and waved his fist at me.
Reply ID 25025
quote:already on its way to you! [:p]
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
Thanks Fish Wife - does make sense. I don't really want to send the rest of this forum to bed with nightmares but if you don't mind getting in touch with me through my profile happy to explain what all this is about and why I am so eager to finalise this particular piece of research.