Topic ID 1672
Hertford is growing by the day,and as it's got, everything else,even a sex shop,its time it had a gay pub or bar like other towns and cities in England.Gay people are now very high profile in all things ,and can even have civil partnerships,( a lot of local hotels etc in the area offer gay people good deals for this),so why not a gay bar in Hertford,perhaps not right in the town centre,but nearby,the Barge would be ideal ,anyone got any ideas,or will Hertford go down as the most homephobic town in England
Reply ID 20536
I think its more a case that most pubs in Hertford are already swamped. I Dont think any publicans feel there is any need to risk an untried venture at this point when you only have to open the front door of a pub in Hertford and the tills start ringing.... Maybe further out of town like you say but the Barge is deff considered in town.
Reply ID 20537
quote:I think it would be unfair to say Hertford is THE most homophobic town in the country. It is probably ONE OF THE most homophobic twons in the country, due to its middle class, ageing, conservative population. There was some talk on a previous thread about a pub in Hertingfordbury being pink. Might have changed now.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Hertford is growing by the day,and as it's got, everything else,even a sex shop,its time it had a gay pub or bar like other towns and cities in England.Gay people are now very high profile in all things ,and can even have civil partnerships,( a lot of local hotels etc in the area offer gay people good deals for this),so why not a gay bar in Hertford,perhaps not right in the town centre,but nearby,the Barge would be ideal ,anyone got any ideas,or will Hertford go down as the most homephobic town in England
Reply ID 20538
Why do you feel the need for a Gay pub ? Why cant you just drink with the rest of us ?
Reply ID 20539
tulip who are " the rest of us"
Reply ID 20540
The Prince of Wales ,Hertingfordbury was ran by two gay gays from june 2004 to june2005 ,and was very good for what it was,but they did not have the money to make it better,so left,who could blame them
Reply ID 20541
quote:that sounds a bit off - the gay friends I have don't have an issue with 'drinking with the rest of us' I am unsure if a completely gay venue would go down well in Hertford totally but an adventurous landlord might be willing to put on a theme night once a month perhaps
Originally posted by tulip
Why do you feel the need for a Gay pub ? Why cant you just drink with the rest of us ?
Reply ID 20542
Frenchie it proves my point ,Hertford is the most homophobic town in England,and no the Barge is not in the town proper is it
Reply ID 20544
my question who are "the rest of us",you may be very nice,but to be in a pub with the present day yobs of Hertford is not my idea of a night out
Reply ID 20546
quote:Is this guy for real? Of course the Barge is in town. And what about patrons and residents nearby, do they get a say?
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...Hertford is the most homophobic town in England,and no the Barge is not in the town proper is it
Reply ID 20548
smiley gay people do not put up with theme nights once a month anymore,you try selling that to black people etc,you be in deep trouble,lets face it Hertford is a awful town now(never used to be) run by "chavs" etc
Reply ID 20549
quote:What proves your point ??!! If you class the Barge as Out Of Town then fine, each to their own but its only 3 min walk from all the other Bars and Restaurants. To me thats not out of town. Quite aggressive for a new boy !
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Frenchie it proves my point ,Hertford is the most homophobic town in England,and no the Barge is not in the town proper is it
Reply ID 20550
Admin please remove the topic before things get out of hand !!!
Reply ID 20554
My point is being proved here time and time again now, becaues you cannot face the truth ,you want remove the topic,just say it Hertford is a homophobic town,easy just say it
Reply ID 20555
Yes we are now get lost
Reply ID 20557
I think this guy is on a wind-up.... Best just ignored.....
Reply ID 20560
Admin... Cross posting.... Lock-It!!
Reply ID 20561
quote:LMAO!!!
Originally posted by Frenchie
Yes we are now get lost
Reply ID 20562
Far from it you must be very thick if you think this is not genuine,my original question why not a gay bar in Hertford,that was answered quite quick ,its a yob town with chavs who could not cope with it,everywhere else in England yes ,but not "dear lovely old "Hertford.For what it is worth ,I do not eat ,drink ,socialise in this town what so ever,but it must be very hard for young gay guys and girls in this town,who have not come out, to cope with such a alien social scene.Im "out of here" early next year,and before anyone says why am I here ,my mother's family is one of East Herts oldest farmimg families,and my fathers's family go back generations in Hertford., so I know a lot about this town
Reply ID 20567
rgs_rick, if you want a gay pub so badly, why don't you just move? There's a great one in Hampstead called William IV, so get on the train from Hertford with a one-way ticket if you think Hertford's so bad.
Reply ID 20570
you being silly now,for what it is worth ,my partner and I are off to Spain nexy year cannot wait,i was at a very nice gay pub in Luton(for its mixed of people ,no attitude to gay people there like Hertford ) on Sun ,and at one of Leicester's many nice gay bars yesterday,but why should i move because of the attitude of the people in this town ,of which most are "outoftowners" anyway
Reply ID 20571
If you are serious, then stop slagging hertford off and go to spain now. Hertford can do without negative people spewing reverse bigotry.
Reply ID 20573
Listen my friend I know more about Hertford then you ever know,you proberly just moved here ,and you think your the "Mayor",and do not preach to me about bigotry,a gay guy was kicked to death on Clapham Common last year thats bigotry,so do not preach that one,also 50 odd people blown up on tubes and bus a year ago thats biotry ,so be very careful when you use that word my friend
Reply ID 20578
I was prepared to be a voice of reason here but you've just lost me with a whole load of nonsense. If you've got nothing sensible to say and are just here to spout vitriole and trade insults, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. Whatever you may think, you don't know it all, and people here ARE prepared to accept others from different backgrounds, with different faiths and beliefs, even to the extent of accepting homosexuality in the local community. What people won't accept is the ones who go about with a chip on their shoulder feeling let down and hard done by.
Reply ID 20580
quote:If you continue to post in this hostile, aggressive and insulting tone you will be banned from this forum.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...I know more about Hertford then you ever know,you proberly just moved here ,and you think your the "Mayor"
Reply ID 20583
Wow - I go away for 2 days and come back to all this sh**e! Sill not convinced if its a wind up... Sorry Rick but I can't believe your attitude can do your obvious 'cause' any good - if you are so needing of a gay bar why dont you open one - if theres the demand in the town it will do well and good luck to it. I object to the homophobic slur on the town too [:(!]- gay/straight, black/white it should make no difference - but yet again it seems that only white heterosexuals can be bigots. And do you think that in Spain you are going to avoid the yob culture with which you tar Hertford? You have stirred up a hornets nest with your post my friend - unfortunately with it you will only succeed in reinforcing the predudices some parts of society have. Leo Densian News at 10 University of Woolamalloo [;)]
Reply ID 20585
If rgs_rick can campaign for a gay pub, can I campaign for a white middle-class heterosexual pub?
Reply ID 20586
quote:We already have a few!
Originally posted by JohnSmith
If rgs_rick can campaign for a gay pub, can I campaign for a white middle-class heterosexual pub?
Reply ID 20587
quote:well excuse me for trying to help [}:)] if you dislike it so much, why don't you leave Hertford then and let everyone get on with how they obviousley like it [:p]
Originally posted by rgs_rick
smiley gay people do not put up with theme nights once a month anymore,you try selling that to black people etc,you be in deep trouble,lets face it Hertford is a awful town now(never used to be) run by "chavs" etc
Reply ID 20588
Hold on - where will the bisexuals drink? Better give them a pub too!
Reply ID 20589
quote:He already is leaving. Please don't feed the trolls [;)]
Originally posted by smileyoriley
why don't you leave Hertford then and let everyone get on with how they obviousley like it [:p]
Reply ID 20590
quote:Er, won't they need two pubs?
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Hold on - where will the bisexuals drink? Better give them a pub too!
Reply ID 20592
quote:Nah - front bar and back bar should do it
Er, won't they need two pubs?
Reply ID 20593
quote:Reading rgs_rick's original post again I think he was doing okay until he wrote, "or will Hertford go down as the most homephobic town in England". The suggestion that the fact that no one has decided to open a gay pub in the town classes it as homophobic is nonsense and was provocative. It smacks of a minority lashing out. Gay people have as much opportunity to open a gay bar as heterosexuals. So I assume the fact that none of Hertford's gay citizens have opened a gay bar either means they are also homophobic.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Hertford is growing by the day,and as it's got, everything else,even a sex shop,its time it had a gay pub or bar like other towns and cities in England.Gay people are now very high profile in all things ,and can even have civil partnerships,( a lot of local hotels etc in the area offer gay people good deals for this),so why not a gay bar in Hertford,perhaps not right in the town centre,but nearby,the Barge would be ideal ,anyone got any ideas,or will Hertford go down as the most homephobic town in England
Reply ID 20595
And Hertford has a terrible reptutation for gay people being assaulted and murdered.
Reply ID 20598
We do have a Gays' newsagent... how many towns can boast that?
Reply ID 20599
I have a few lads and lassies (gay freinds) that come in my pub. On asking them a question related to this thread of gay bars in Hertford they replied why would we want one bar when we can go where we like. If we had one bar it would be a target and not very nice for straights that go there. In my opinion the selection of people that come into my pub are happy to share there space with anyone and everyone (except ronaldo). I would think this of any pub in Hertford of which I know many and find them all to be friendly places
Reply ID 20602
Maybe we have misunderstood the original poster and he/she really wants a rubbish pub. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5049566.stm
Reply ID 20603
Having read Rick's posts on this issue, I am struck by the sweeping generalisations, paranoia, hostility and prejudice that characterises his submissions. People that might otherwise have had some sympathy with his postion are attacked and insulted without any attempt at rational discussion. I can only conclude that he is deeply uncomfortable with his sexuality and can only deal with this by blaming everyone else. In fact I suspect that his problems may extend beyond his sexuality. There is a strong "victim" mentality to his childish postings. I'm sorry to appear personal but Rick appears to be very unhappy - an unhappiness that I suspect is very much of his own making. Unfortunately, blaming everyone else for his problems and running away to Spain will not resolve them.
Reply ID 20608
There used to be a well known gay and lesbian friendly pub in Hertford, it was well frequented by all members of the community, gay lesbian and straight.... It used to be known as the Three Tuns in St. Andrews Street, and was a great place for a night out as they used to hav the most lively party nights. The great thing about this place was everyone rubbed shoulders with everyone else, and everyone respected the others point of view / sexuality..... What has happened to this pub? Following several rapid changes in management it is now a Thai Restuarant... What happened to the people that used to frequent this pub? They are now scattered across Hertford enjoying what the town has on offer for everyone! A gay friendly pub, is only so while there is the commitment of the landlords for it to be such, there doesn't seem to be that much financial gain in doing it anymore, and at the end of the day it's profit and targets that matters to those owning the pub.
Reply ID 20609
quote:Thats like saying why not have a pub for ginger people etc.[;)][xx(]
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Hertford is growing by the day,and as it's got, everything else,even a sex shop,its time it had a gay pub or bar like other towns and cities in England.Gay people are now very high profile in all things ,and can even have civil partnerships,( a lot of local hotels etc in the area offer gay people good deals for this),so why not a gay bar in Hertford,perhaps not right in the town centre,but nearby,the Barge would be ideal ,anyone got any ideas,or will Hertford go down as the most homephobic town in England
Reply ID 20619
am amazed at the negative response to this topic. i don't believe rick is asking too much for one pub in hertford to be labelled a 'gay' bar/pub. this is quite standard and for people showing their true feelings in straight pubs, this is usually quite uncomfortable and i know of a lot of hostility and sometimes violence towards gay couples in hertford. maybe hertford isn't the cosmopolitan town you all think it is?
Reply ID 20620
The request isnt unreasonable in the slightest....the negative response was in reply to his increasingly aggresive postings
Reply ID 20622
i already know how you all feel, however, if you read the first few posts, i feel they are quite negative, not as helpful as the rest of the forums seem to be?
Reply ID 20624
quote:Rick's original post was okay until he suggested that Hertford was going to be the most homophobic town in England unless someone opened up a gay bar.
Originally posted by pilchard
am amazed at the negative response to this topic. i don't believe rick is asking too much for one pub in hertford to be labelled a 'gay' bar/pub. this is quite standard and for people showing their true feelings in straight pubs, this is usually quite uncomfortable and i know of a lot of hostility and sometimes violence towards gay couples in hertford. maybe hertford isn't the cosmopolitan town you all think it is?
Reply ID 20629
Agree with Jay that you create a stigma if you label something "The Gay Bar". Why should we have a pub/restaurant or whatever for one group of people. It is as prejudiced as Hertford is apparently homophobic. Jay is also right in that people would be intimidated or even attacked for drinking in there whereas they can drink anywhere without necessarily being targeted due to their sexual choice.
Reply ID 20649
Stirred up a right " hornets nest" here,I have one last point to make on all this.Never said we want a high profile "Gay Bar " in Hertford ,but just say a out of the way bar,were gay people can be thereselves etc.I was in Luton yesterday ,a multi cultured town if ever there was one,bigger then Hertford yes,two gay pubs ,two gay clubs,no problem ,there whatsoever,and they cannot be no mistake they are gay because of the gay flags outside.If a place like Luton can do it ,why not Hertford.Although I must say,I think not,because returning to Hertford last night at 9pm,the town seemed to be full of kids who looked about 15,shouting and screaming,and girls who looked like cheap"hookers",and Hartham Common is just awful,gangs of kids, who should be home in bed just wandering around ,what was once a nice park and safe even at night.I conclude and concede on all this ,no Hertford will never have a so called " gay bar " ever,but thats its lost,but a further deterioration of a once pround county town,which now is "yobsville",thank god I not be here to see much more of it.By the way Ware is still a very nice town ,most of the time
Reply ID 20651
rgs_rick, why not put your money where your mouth is and open up a gay bar in Hertford yourself?
Reply ID 20652
rqs rick, I don't know if this is any consolation, but if you feel disliked, it is probably more to do with your personality and not the fact that you are gay.
Reply ID 20653
I would love to but ,too old now so rather put it towards my villa in Spain,though would have loved the Saracens Head in Ware Road,that been a ideal gay bar ,and out of town too
Reply ID 20655
This as nothing to do with me ,more to do with you narrow minded people in this forum and topic.I have a very good life,a longterm partner ,and life is very good at present.we have a large circle of friends both gay and straight ,both around Hetford and outside(mainly outside),and if I say so I am a very liked guy.I think the person called bobajob on here was very abusive,in his comments about me and so wrong,yet again ,this topic is about you people not wanted to see a gay bar in Hertford,face up to it ,thats what it is about ,nothing to do with me as a person.
Reply ID 20656
Admin just seen your terms and something called "Flaming",like to say a lot of people in this topic have broken the terms,with comments to me on my sexuality
Reply ID 20657
quote:I can't find one single post that is against a gay bar in Hertford. There are those that question whether one is necessary or feasible, but that in no way means that anyone is against it.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...this topic is about you people not wanted to see a gay bar in Hertford
Reply ID 20663
I'll say this for you rqs rick, this is one of the more entertaining threads, topical. It would be good however, if you dropped your deeply offensive tone.
Reply ID 20664
quote:You should have read the Terms and Conditions before you registered, not now! For someone who has only been registered for two days, you have managed to tally up more posts than some who have been here a year! As for your 'beef', I for one am sick of reading your opinion that everyone is against a pub for gay people. I have many friends who have gay and lesbian tendancies and they do not want to 'stand out in the crowd'. They are quite happy using the same clubs, pubs and bars as everyone else, and have been for years. Why shouldn't they? The way you go on gives me the impression that you consider yourself a number one priority in the sexuality stakes. You are not. If you can't bring yourself to use the clubs, pubs and bars that are already at your disposal, leave town, sooner rather than later. The gay couples that come into our pub, and I say this as a licensee in Hertford, are treated no different to anyone else. They don't need to be. We are all flesh and blood regardless of the colour of our skins, our religions or our sexual preferences. For goodness sake, GET A LIFE. You are 48 years old according to your profile - grow up.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Admin just seen your terms and something called "Flaming",like to say a lot of people in this topic have broken the terms,with comments to me on my sexuality
Reply ID 20667
Here here rooster. I'm a licencee and find the gay population that use my pub to be great to be around, drink with and have a good old sing song. Now you seem to be of the opinion that we are all homophobic. I know for a fact that myself and all my regulars straight, bi, lesbian or gay we are all happy for new, old or in the closet to share our space, our town, our beer. Why would you want to alienate yourself or your social group when you can walk into any pub in Hertford and be welcomed with open arms? I get the impression that you have had a bad experiance in Hertford and I for one am sorry that you have. My gay friends who have come from London, Stevenage and Luton have all said how nice they find Hertford. I have a friend called Kevin who has just come back from Spain and said how nice it was to be home in a town where he can be himself (he was originally in Ware before he left). You seem very hard to bring round but I will say this please don't put everyone in Hertford down in the same catagory as the ones that upset you or think that anyone on this site is against you in anyway because we are not. If there was a call for a gay bar in Hertford there would of been one by now. The reason that this has not happened is there is no need, we all live in a town where we can all get along I havent seen a gay hate crime in this town and the only thing you might do is cause a problem yourself by talking and being this way. I hope you don't air your views out in public like the way you have on this site, the gay community of Hertford are more than free to do as they please in this town just the same as anyone else we dont live in the dark ages we know what the deal is. You're gay it doesnt make you special in anyway you're the same as everyone else in this town please feel free to come into my pub at anytime, you are more than welcome. I'm not a gay bar, I'm a pub where everyone is welcome no matter what their point of view sexual, religious or otherwise and I'm sure that goes for the rest of the pubs in Hertford. I hope if and when you move that where ever you go you are happy and you find what you are looking for what ever it is but please just know this one final thing Hertford is not the be all and end all but it is our home and we love it and it is what you make of it. Hertford loves you to be happy its summer[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
Reply ID 20668
I couldn't agree more Jayzee - well said
Reply ID 20680
One very final word on this topic,and also my very last vist to this site.I see over 1200 people have read this topic which in some way is very good,but just a small amount have commented on the topic,so by the odds of things,perhaps many other people agree with me.Why this as been turned about to be a inquest over me,then my origanal topic ,"why not a gay bar in Hetford" says more about the people who have said some really nasty things about someone they do not know, then the topic itself.Let me come to the two publicians,the guy jayzee sounds a real nice guy,and I take on board what he says(I know his pub very well over the years)and by the way I have never heard so many nasty comments on this guys posts ref his grammer,for god sake the guy is dyslectic,which reinforces my view that there are some very nasty people on this website,anyway thank you jayzee for your comments.To the other landlord (rooster I think)for all his bluster about he is happy with all types of people in his pub,let me put this to him,if a gang of gay guys come into his crowded pub and started to held hands and kiss each other ,he soon be asking them to stop it,if a gang of straight boys and girls done the same thing in the pub,nothing would be said,and before you say the gay guys would not be treated like that ,I seen that happen in a pub in Hertford recently,and the guys were ask to leave the pub.Its a fact till the whole world is just more tolarant ,they always be gay bars etc,and ref the gay people that go into straight pubs to be accepted it says more about them,and not really being there true selves,and deep down they want to be straight.Hertford I will always love,its been part of my whole life,as my father's family have been here for a very long time,but the people of Hertford now ,and what they have done to this town ,is something I hate and next year will leave it for ever.One day I know for sure there will be a gay bar in Hertford,(there always be gay bars its part of the gay culture they never die out),and if that happens if I am well enough and be able to get back I be there flying the gay flag even if i live to 100.Thats my last word on all this,its been intresting,but also sad.
Reply ID 20682
well fella it has been interesting you say that because so many people have read this thread and not replied that thay must agree with you this is a little presumptuous i think that its more like people are not members and have read the postings or that thay find it a little daunting to reply to this topic no matter how many times we say this hertford as a whole is not anti gay and maybe there is a few people who you say you have seen that dont know or maybe understand how to behave around people from the gay community if there was a gay bar in hertford i think you would find still alot of straight people in there as well sometimes you find that if there is a gay licencee that the gay community will go to that pub and then give it that title of a gay bar i feel a little sad that no matter what anyone has said you seem to pick out the negative you dont pick out the positive no one has said we dont want a gay bar or that thay oppose it in anyway i think some people actually said if you feel that stongly why not start one yourself or back it and have someone do the leg work for you but would you stop straight people from coming in and learning more and understanding things more you seem to have this view very strongly set in your mind and i do respect your point of view but please dont think that because at this time there is no gay bar so people hate gays in hertford or that the the gay people that go into straight bars and clubs are not being true to themselves i think you will find it is because thay feel thay can be part of the general populas and dont feel thay have to stand out this is my final thing on this now as well i have used one word alot in this reply PEOPLE we are all people and and as individuals we live our lives in what ever manner it is that makes us happiest hertford is growing everday and the people who live here are learning dont give up on hertford it is never a lost cause this site proves that by the fact that 99% of the replys are there to make things better in hertford and put some really good ideas foward your not the only gay in the village but i havent seen a reply from anouther member of the gay community the replys you have had are views from straight people who except you and and all have said why do you want one place with a title gay bar when you and your partner can be part of any pub you like befor you leave please pop in and say hello to us at the bridge and when you leave hertford remember this has been and always will be your home and you can always come back because hertford loves you take care my freind in what ever adventure you go on i hope you and your partner find happness where ever you go and do
Reply ID 20683
RGS _RICK wrote: 'the guy jayzee sounds a real nice guy,and I take on board what he says(I know his pub very well over the years)and by the way I have never heard so many nasty comments on this guys posts ref his grammer,for god sake the guy is dyslectic,which reinforces my view that there are some very nasty people on this website,' HAHA ... this must be a wind up ... for your information .. 'Dyslectic' is spelt Dyslexic .. so that makes you dyslexic too ..... Has he gone now?
Reply ID 20684
quote:Rick, Why do you assume that I am a landLORD?? You have no idea at all. We (my partner and I) welcome all to our pub. We have had gay couples holding hands and kissing but they still come back. WHY? because they were never asked to leave on the previous occasions. I have been in the company of many lesbian friends for many years and I treat no-one any differently. I have gay friends in Hertford who specifically come to see us and drink here because we are their friends and they do not feel alienated here. A pub/club/bar specifically for gay/lesbian people really is not needed in Hertford, surely you can see that. I am sure you are a very sensible and loving person, but please get off your 'high horse' and as I said before, grow up and get a life.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
One very final word on this topic,and also my very last vist to this site.I see over 1200 people have read this topic which in some way is very good,but just a small amount have commented on the topic,so by the odds of things,perhaps many other people agree with me.Why this as been turned about to be a inquest over me,then my origanal topic ,"why not a gay bar in Hetford" says more about the people who have said some really nasty things about someone they do not know, then the topic itself.Let me come to the two publicians,the guy jayzee sounds a real nice guy,and I take on board what he says(I know his pub very well over the years)and by the way I have never heard so many nasty comments on this guys posts ref his grammer,for god sake the guy is dyslectic,which reinforces my view that there are some very nasty people on this website,anyway thank you jayzee for your comments.To the other landlord (rooster I think)for all his bluster about he is happy with all types of people in his pub,let me put this to him,if a gang of gay guys come into his crowded pub and started to held hands and kiss each other ,he soon be asking them to stop it,if a gang of straight boys and girls done the same thing in the pub,nothing would be said,and before you say the gay guys would not be treated like that ,I seen that happen in a pub in Hertford recently,and the guys were ask to leave the pub.Its a fact till the whole world is just more tolarant ,they always be gay bars etc,and ref the gay people that go into straight pubs to be accepted it says more about them,and not really being there true selves,and deep down they want to be straight.Hertford I will always love,its been part of my whole life,as my father's family have been here for a very long time,but the people of Hertford now ,and what they have done to this town ,is something I hate and next year will leave it for ever.One day I know for sure there will be a gay bar in Hertford,(there always be gay bars its part of the gay culture they never die out),and if that happens if I am well enough and be able to get back I be there flying the gay flag even if i live to 100.Thats my last word on all this,its been intresting,but also sad.
Reply ID 20688
It wouldn't bother me. Gay pubs are friendly places to go. There is no intimidation, fighting talk or general bad atmosphere.
Reply ID 20710
I am going to say one word, 'paragraphs', they are brilliant things, another one is 'sentences' another cunning little device. I must admit I was always a bit of a smart arse when we did syntax, but I realy do think this thread is the perfect illustration of why these little devices are so important. Some of the posts are really difficult to follow!
Reply ID 20873
What gets on my nerves about gays is that they're on a mission all the time. Generally, everyone is tolerated so long as they go about their business (or leisure) without making a nuisance of themselves. So why must gays keep whingeing about things? I'm a bachelor. I don't think it's quite normal to be one at my age, 43, when most people are married with children. But I don't rant, and start demanding "Bachelor Bars". And I don't seek to promote myself either.
Reply ID 20874
quote:You're talking almost as much rubbish as rick.
Originally posted by Peter
What gets on my nerves about gays is that they're on a mission all the time.
Reply ID 20879
Paul, you're obviously sticking to your "voice of reason" stance. Perhaps I could have been less emphatic, and I should say I don't believe all gays are on a mission. Don't you see my point though? Anyone in Hertford, or most towns, can go out for a drink in whatever pub they happen to chance by. I've worked behind a bar (still do, as a matter of fact), and when people walk in you don't think "are they gay?" You get on and serve them. When you get to know them, most of them have some problem or other - they've been waiting months for an operation; they've been on the housing list for years with no joy - but they don't blame the rest of the human race.
Reply ID 20884
This is moving off topic a bit but you are in danger of making rick's point for him by stereotyping and making sweeping generalisations. Perhaps rick could have his own little corner in a designated bar where he could go and have a moan with all the other gay people in the area to keep them away from your bar?
Reply ID 20889
Believe me, customers moan whatever their sexual orientation! I think your last sentence comes close to being a generalisation too. I think that if you look for prejudice you will find it, because you've convinced yourself it's there. I was born in Hertford, and lived there until my twenties, after which I've lived and worked in a few different places. One of these was Wantage, a nice little country town at the foot of the Berkshire Downs. The criticism I used to hear about Wantage is very similar to that you hear about Hertford - ageing population, middle class, conservative, and so on. I used to defend the place as if it were my home town, because I liked it. But I often think these critics, who seem to remain in the place they despise, would never be happy anywhere for long. When you consider what Hertford does have, I think the issue of whether or not there's a gay bar is relatively minor. Few other towns have a large green area (Hartham) so close to the town centre. Up the Warren from there is St Leonard's Church, the oldest in the county. Moreover the town centre is very attractive: the unique pargeting in Fore Street, and the charm of St. Andrew's Street, for example. Let us not forget, either, the world's oldest Friends' Meeting House and its lovely brickwork. No doubt there are more enlightened and progressive places, with glass and concrete looking all very smart and new. My own preference, though, is for these ageing, conservative towns and their quirky characters.
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Peter the words ageing,conservative and quirky ,I think apply to you,and I have been to Wantage ,a very nice place,the type of place Hertford was like a few years back ,before all theses "outoftowners " moved in.Ref aged population,there more young "kids" roaming arond this town then ever before,middle class more "low class", and conservative yes from the views expressed in these pages ref gay people etc,I would agree with that.And Paul if you know me,you understand im not the type of person to sit in any "little corner" any where ,not least in some bar in Hertford,with drunk yobs shouting all around me,By the way St Andrew's St as lost its charm now ,and Fore Street is a tip with all those roadworks.So if you think all gays are always moaning ,well this one is for sure
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One of the reasons that Hertford doesn't have a "gay pub" is probably quite simple, economics. There simply isn't a big enough resident gay population to keep one in business imo. (Sorry if this point has been made before but I couldn't be bothered to read every post in the thread)
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quote:Are you out to try and alienate everyone? You are doing a good job! I am what you so quaintly describe as an outoftowner. (BTW, as you refer to the Barge as "nearby" the town, what do you regard as the town then?!!). Are you saying that we have ruined the town? There is a good chance that some of us are gay, in which case we might want to frequent the bar you propose. Are we not allowed because we don't originate from within 10 yards of Gravesons? What about the money and investment that we bring to the town? And where do you think we come from - we fall out of the trees? I'm thinking of opening a bar for left handed "outoftowners" with a star sign of Gemini. Anyone interested?
Originally posted by rgs_rick
before all theses "outoftowners " moved in.
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quote:Damnit! I'm left-handed and an outoftowner, but a Cancer. Do I have to open my own bar?
Originally posted by Spotty Dog
I'm thinking of opening a bar for left handed "outoftowners" with a star sign of Gemini. Anyone interested?
Reply ID 20933
quote:"Out of towner"??????????? Didn't you move to Hertford from Ware? Hypocrite.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Peter the words ageing,conservative and quirky ,I think apply to you,and I have been to Wantage ,a very nice place,the type of place Hertford was like a few years back ,before all theses "outoftowners " moved in.Ref aged population,there more young "kids" roaming arond this town then ever before,middle class more "low class", and conservative yes from the views expressed in these pages ref gay people etc,I would agree with that.And Paul if you know me,you understand im not the type of person to sit in any "little corner" any where ,not least in some bar in Hertford,with drunk yobs shouting all around me,By the way St Andrew's St as lost its charm now ,and Fore Street is a tip with all those roadworks.So if you think all gays are always moaning ,well this one is for sure
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quote:And to think I thought I was the only one out there! I wasn't going to contribute to this thread as it was getting too...heated, but then saw the above cry for comradeship and had to respond. "Outoftowners" can imply born and bred in the next village/town, the language of my home county calls them "Locals"[:)]. "Incomers" meant the next county (or worse: a "City"[:0]) and their accents were completely different so they got ignored for the first 20 years[:)]. I've "not been a local" for all my varied life; Hertford is the first place where I feel at home and accepted. It's a good town. A bit like a close relative: you love them dearly, but they have their foibles yet because you love them, you accept it. Ps: Spotty: do you wear specs and have red hair too? [:D]
Originally posted by Spotty Dog left handed "outoftowners" with a star sign of Gemini.
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No I lived in Hertford FIRST then moved to Ware,then back to Hertford(bad move)
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Sorry Admin, but this is to good a situation to let pass.... Mr P - I think that I wear specs and have red hair because our family did a little to much loving of our close relatives. I thought everyone called their Uncle Bob "Dad"? I digress - have you been following me by the way? Joby - As long as you provide free wireless internet access, I am sure you can do anything you want. Heck, lets pool our resources and open up Hertford's very own "leftorium" (open to people of all sexual orientation of course). Well done rgs_rick, an interesting subject that has stimulated much conversation.
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quote:My apologies.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
No I lived in Hertford FIRST then moved to Ware,then back to Hertford(bad move)
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Spotty, I have not been following you. Life is too busy for me to be a stalker (what with having to buy all that Grecian 2000). I hire other stalkers to do the work for me. My new, normal[V], family always tease me about being Wiltshire-born, but now I can tell them that there are others out there like me and they'd better shut up or I'll send out the call to my femur-collecting brothers & sisters and, boy will they be sorry! I wondered if there was a reason my mother won't talk about certain things, particularly when asked why I was the only kid in the valley to go to a primary school called Porton Down Biological Research Facility. Do you find the webbed feet are great for swimming, too? I would have been in the olympic team if they could only find me a swimming goggle for my one eye. Will the "Leftorium" accept membership based on political affiliations/ from those that are lost or have been Left behind? ...I'll get me coat.
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quote:So, from Swindon then? [;)]
Do you find the webbed feet are great for swimming, too?
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quote:Swindon?! If only![:D]
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:So, from Swindon then? [;)]
Do you find the webbed feet are great for swimming, too?
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quote:Well, I saw you note on the other thread, and I have in fact been living here longer than you. So who's trying to play mayor now?[:D] By the way, what has the terrible clapham common murder got to do with me commenting on your blanket statements about nasty homophobic Hertford?
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Listen my friend I know more about Hertford then you ever know,you proberly just moved here ,and you think your the "Mayor",and do not preach to me about bigotry,a gay guy was kicked to death on Clapham Common last year thats bigotry,so do not preach that one,also 50 odd people blown up on tubes and bus a year ago thats biotry ,so be very careful when you use that word my friend
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Hello Rick, "Ageing", "quirky", and "conservative" apply to me? Yes, they probably do. The one thing we both seem to have in common is a dislike of yobs. As these tend to be younger than we are, we can both be described as "ageing", at least in attitude towards them. "Quirky"? Yes that probably applies to me too, in that I'm interested in things the majority of people don't appear to be. Are you? "Conservative"? (With a small 'c'.) That certainly applies to me. I'm uneasy about change, and suspicious when it appears to have been introduced without any consultation - you may or may not have read my complaint about them closing paths on the Meads. But I think you have conservative characteristics too; regarding newcomers to the town, for example.
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quote:Spooky, I lived in Winterslow for many years... Sorry, off-topic!
Originally posted by Mr P
I wondered if there was a reason my mother won't talk about certain things, particularly when asked why I was the only kid in the valley to go to a primary school called Porton Down Biological Research Facility.
Reply ID 21019
So rick, when you lived in Ware you were a troublesome outoftowner or does that not count because you were relatively local? What a wonderful world you advocate, where everyone stays in the village, borough or whatever they come from. It is hard to imagine what that would be like. Hang on.... didn't you say you wanted to become an expat in Spain? You are indeed a mass of contradictions.... unless the rules only apply to others and not to yourself. I wish you well, and hopefully you won't meet others in Spain as biased and narrowminded as yourself.
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He will move to Spain and within a couple of days will be posting on Benidorm.net and calling them all homophobic!!!
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rgs_rick By your reckoning the pubs in Hertford are Homophobic, Sexist, Racist and any other form of prejudice you can think of. We don't have Women Nights, Asian Nights for Asians, Men Nights, Straight Nights etc. Why does not having a gay night make us homophobic?
Reply ID 21025
Have not read all the posts so apologies if I am repeating anything. I think anyone who thinks that Hertford is Homophobic are very much mistaken. Just because there is no particular bar does it mean that Gay's feel like outcasts. I have quite a few friends who are Gay and a while ago was discussing the very same subject with them. They felt there was not a need and in fact it could cause problems for the Gay individuals. They may not have 'come out' to friends, family, employers, etc. A would not frequent such a place. To be accepted in any environment is far better than to hide away.
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Im not afraid of my home!
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One final thing about gay pub in Hertford,a few years back a gay guy managed the Blackbirds(what a awful place now) and quite a few gay people want there.Also the Three Tuns (now a Thai eating place)was managed by a gay guy ,then later by two gay girls,with a lot of gay people going there.But with the state of Hertford now,that would not be possable today I think.
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You know, I don't like labels much. I think pubs (and everything else, for that matter) should be run by Ian and Jenny, or Sarah and Sue, or Dave and Paul. It should be irrelevant what their tastes are in private life. Tchaikovsky wrote wonderful music, and he was homosexual. Mozart also wrote some wonderful music, and he was heterosexual. Would you only listen to Tchaikovsky?
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Rick, Hertford has not changed one iota since the two ladies ran the Three Tuns. You are a very bitter man!!!
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I used to go in the Three Tuns when the ladies ran it. It wasn't what I would call a gay pub. In fact I recall the regulars as being a bunch of football shirt wearing Arsenal supporters. Perhaps they were gay. I always saw it as a normal, every day pub that just happened to be run by a couple of gay girls.
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Come off it Ewoowar, there were regularly loads of gay women in there! The Two Tuns was never a very popular pub though. Although I do take the point that rqs.rick made about gay people not feeling free to hold hands or show affection in public (one of the few good points he has made), they probably would be commented upon and stared at. However, there really does not seem to be the demand for a gay pub! if the Two Tuns is anything to go by. I think public attitudes have moved on quite a bit over the past ten years or so, but clearly not enough.
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Sorry Three Tuns [V]
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quote:I must have missed them or was oblivious to whether or not they were gay.
Originally posted by wizkid
Come off it Ewoowar, there were regularly loads of gay women in there! The Two Tuns was never a very popular pub though. Although I do take the point that rqs.rick made about gay people not feeling free to hold hands or show affection in public (one of the few good points he has made), they probably would be commented upon and stared at. However, there really does not seem to be the demand for a gay pub! if the Two Tuns is anything to go by. I think public attitudes have moved on quite a bit over the past ten years or so, but clearly not enough.
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We used to regularly drink in the Three Tuns when Sam & Sarah ran it and I don't recall ever thinking "The place is full of gay women tonight." For sure, there were gay women who frequented the establishment, along with gay men, heterosexuals, Stella drinkers, Arsenal supporters, darts players and even the ocassional Glaswegian. Ewoowar is right when he describes it as a normal(For Hertford), everyday pub that just happened to be run by a couple of gay girls. As for it never being a very popular pub, well - I can remember it being packed out on a good number of occasions. It was a fun pub
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A fun pub with games!
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quote:It was great. Did you go the night they had a lock-in with a french maid table service?![:)]
Originally posted by Deveraux
We used to regularly drink in the Three Tuns when Sam & Sarah ran it and I don't recall ever thinking "The place is full of gay women tonight." For sure, there were gay women who frequented the establishment, along with gay men, heterosexuals, Stella drinkers, Arsenal supporters, darts players and even the ocassional Glaswegian. Ewoowar is right when he describes it as a normal(For Hertford), everyday pub that just happened to be run by a couple of gay girls. As for it never being a very popular pub, well - I can remember it being packed out on a good number of occasions. It was a fun pub
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I had more of a problem with the Arsenal fans than the supposed mass of gay people that Rick dreamt he saw. How about a petition banning Arsenal fans. Hertford is a Tottenham town!!! Seriously though I don't mind ANY people holding hands in public but I do object to people groping each other. I think that Rik in a perverse sort of way is more stereotypical in his thought process than all us Hertfordians put together.
Reply ID 22129
Rick also complains about 'out of towners' and then says he is moving to Spain. I hope for his sake that the Spanish are more tollerant of him as an 'out of towner' than he is.
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Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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quote:You keep coming back to Hertford, and the people on this forum. You obviously love us Rick! [:)]
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
Reply ID 22272
quote:Off topic, surely admin? This is Hertford not Brighton.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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quote:Glad you liked it. I was offered a job in Brighton. I spent some time down there to check out the town itself and the neighbnouring towns and villages. Brighton had more homeless and street beggars than I ever saw when I worked in central London. I would not move there for plenty of reasons but none of these are linked to the way the town embraces it's gay culture. I guess the two towns could learn a lot from each other. In many ways they are very different. However Hertford doesn't have to become like Brighton in order to improve, nor does Brighton have to change to become more like Hertford.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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quote:Ewoowar. They are just towns. Put your Daily Mail down. Are you another scare mongerer? Let people be. There is nothing to learn. Gay people have been around for years and there are many gay people in Hertford. This topic of 'should we, shouldn't we?' is a joke. Do you pick your nose? Do you ride a bike? Let gay people do what they want. I'd rather sit next to a gay person on the bus than a youth with a knife. Get a life and discuss something fun or important girl.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I guess the two towns could learn a lot from each other. In many ways they are very different.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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Ewoowar? Girl? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
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quote:I haven't got a clue what point you're trying to make or indeed what you're going on about here. Your remarks bear no relation or relevance to Ewoowar's post. Are you sure you've quoted the right remarks?
Originally posted by James007quote:Ewoowar. They are just towns. Put your Daily Mail down. Are you another scare mongerer? Let people be. There is nothing to learn. Gay people have been around for years and there are many gay people in Hertford. This topic of 'should we, shouldn't we?' is a joke. Do you pick your nose? Do you ride a bike? Let gay people do what they want. I'd rather sit next to a gay person on the bus than a youth with a knife. Get a life and discuss something fun or important girl.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I guess the two towns could learn a lot from each other. In many ways they are very different.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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quote:Steve. My point - Does anyone point the finger at you because you live where you do? Does anyone question what you do? Why should the people of Hertford be compared to the people of Brighton beacause of their sexual preference. We are all the same. Ewoowar might have an opinion of her own, but I disagree with it. She has suggested that Brighton and Hertford are not alike. The people here in Hertford are the same for God's sake. Can't anyone realise that?
Originally posted by Stevequote:I haven't got a clue what point you're trying to make or indeed what you're going on about here. Your remarks bear no relation or relevance to Ewoowar's post. Are you sure you've quoted the right remarks?
Originally posted by James007quote:Ewoowar. They are just towns. Put your Daily Mail down. Are you another scare mongerer? Let people be. There is nothing to learn. Gay people have been around for years and there are many gay people in Hertford. This topic of 'should we, shouldn't we?' is a joke. Do you pick your nose? Do you ride a bike? Let gay people do what they want. I'd rather sit next to a gay person on the bus than a youth with a knife. Get a life and discuss something fun or important girl.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I guess the two towns could learn a lot from each other. In many ways they are very different.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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ADMIN - JUST REMOVE THIS THREAD. WHO CARE'S WHETHER THERE IS A GAY PUB IN HERTFORD. TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE RUNNING SCARED OF GAY PEOPLE AND THIS THREAD HAS NO NEED TO PROMOTE HOMOPHOBIA. 21ST CENTURY PEOPLE DONT CARE. GET RID OF IT PLEASE!
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I will thank you not to tell me how to run the forum. I would also appreciate it if you did not shout.
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quote:I think you'll find it was Rick that made that remark, not Ewoowar (see below)
Originally posted by James007
Why should the people of Hertford be compared to the people of Brighton beacause of their sexual preference.
quote:
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens ...Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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Ok, point taken Steve, but far too many people have a concern about this. Gay pub or no gay pub. Does anyone relly care? If so, speak!!!
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quote:James. I think you need to re-read the thread. I am responding to Rick and you should take my post in context.
Originally posted by James007quote:Ewoowar. They are just towns. Put your Daily Mail down. Are you another scare mongerer? Let people be. There is nothing to learn. Gay people have been around for years and there are many gay people in Hertford. This topic of 'should we, shouldn't we?' is a joke. Do you pick your nose? Do you ride a bike? Let gay people do what they want. I'd rather sit next to a gay person on the bus than a youth with a knife. Get a life and discuss something fun or important girl.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:I guess the two towns could learn a lot from each other. In many ways they are very different.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Just come back from having four "hot" days in Brighton,now there is a real gay town ,or city as it is now.It made Hertford look like a outer planet in the solar system,peopled by aliens,the residents ,council and most visitors know it has a very large gay scene,I think the people of Hertford could learn a lot from Brighton ref being tolerant of all types of people,next weekend there is Brighton Gay Pride with over 100,000 gay people visting the town with a very large parade through the streets,can you ever see that happening in Hertford,the "old fogies" self explode,Brighton and Hertford both in England but a million miles apart
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round and round in circles.......
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The very very last point im making on this topic,its now geitting very round and round,but it comes back to the point that Hertford will never have a gay pub or bar because of the people that live in the town,the ref to Brighton is not off topic at all,Brighton as far more poor people then Hertford,but as far more gay people too ,but it still as gay bars for gay people so in a open town like that ,gays go and be with like minded people,why cannot the people on here accept that,they can go to there footie type pubs etc so many of them in Hertford ,all i ask and a lot more gay people in Hertford too is ONE maybe Small gay bar MAYBE just out of town , not much to ask,and by the way i was begged for mony in Hertford the other day,so please do not put Brighton down like that.I do take onboard all the people have said about this topic on here,its as got so boring i give up ,only one person really upset more,a very rude person called "Bob a Job" how dare this person comment on me,they know nothing about me and my connection to Hertford ,to be fair none of the other comments have been so personal,by the way I meet the film director Woody Allen in Brighton this week,he is going to make is next film in England ,about a group of gay people living in a small english county town,and how hard is is for them to "come out" there,wonder were that can be,end of story ,end of topic no more ,have a nice rest of year. p.s. I might stay in Hertford till the new Weatherspoons pub opens,but I think that be 2050 so I think i go !!!!
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quote:Deep breath rgs, deep breath! Agree with you, but if it was slap bang in the town centre it wouldn't bother me. Don't pander to some of the numpties you have come across, if you want to be gay and proud then be gay and proud. It's fine by me.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
The very very last point im making on this topic,its now geitting very round and round,but it comes back to the point that Hertford will never have a gay pub or bar because of the people that live in the town,the ref to Brighton is not off topic at all,Brighton as far more poor people then Hertford,but as far more gay people too ,but it still as gay bars for gay people so in a open town like that ,gays go and be with like minded people,why cannot the people on here accept that,they can go to there footie type pubs etc so many of them in Hertford ,all i ask and a lot more gay people in Hertford too is ONE maybe Small gay bar MAYBE just out of town , not much to ask,and by the way i was begged for mony in Hertford the other day,so please do not put Brighton down like that.I do take onboard all the people have said about this topic on here,its as got so boring i give up ,only one person really upset more,a very rude person called "Bob a Job" how dare this person comment on me,they know nothing about me and my connection to Hertford ,to be fair none of the other comments have been so personal,by the way I meet the film director Woody Allen in Brighton this week,he is going to make is next film in England ,about a group of gay people living in a small english county town,and how hard is is for them to "come out" there,wonder were that can be,end of story ,end of topic no more ,have a nice rest of year. p.s. I might stay in Hertford till the new Weatherspoons pub opens,but I think that be 2050 so I think i go !!!!
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quote:I think the people here DO accept that people will want to go and be with like minded others. However it feels like you are waiting for someone to set it up for you and blaming Hertford people for it not happening. I think you antagonised people by suggesting that Hertford was homophobic and thereby making statements relating to those who post on this web site. If you don't want people to judge you, and I don't by the way, then don't judge others.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
The very very last point im making on this topic,its now geitting very round and round,but it comes back to the point that Hertford will never have a gay pub or bar because of the people that live in the town,the ref to Brighton is not off topic at all,Brighton as far more poor people then Hertford,but as far more gay people too ,but it still as gay bars for gay people so in a open town like that ,gays go and be with like minded people,why cannot the people on here accept that,they can go to there footie type pubs etc so many of them in Hertford ,all i ask and a lot more gay people in Hertford too is ONE maybe Small gay bar MAYBE just out of town , not much to ask,and by the way i was begged for mony in Hertford the other day,so please do not put Brighton down like that.I do take onboard all the people have said about this topic on here,its as got so boring i give up ,only one person really upset more,a very rude person called "Bob a Job" how dare this person comment on me,they know nothing about me and my connection to Hertford ,to be fair none of the other comments have been so personal,by the way I meet the film director Woody Allen in Brighton this week,he is going to make is next film in England ,about a group of gay people living in a small english county town,and how hard is is for them to "come out" there,wonder were that can be,end of story ,end of topic no more ,have a nice rest of year. p.s. I might stay in Hertford till the new Weatherspoons pub opens,but I think that be 2050 so I think i go !!!!
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quote:Classic quote really, especially considering hertford _has_ had a gay pub in the past. says it all about your comments really..
Originally posted by rgs_rick
The very very last point im making on this topic,its now geitting very round and round,but it comes back to the point that Hertford will never have a gay pub or bar because ..
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On the 9th July, Rgs_Rick said that his post was going to be the very last he will make! ... 4 weeks on he is still ranting on and not taking any notice of the posts made by other people. Make your mind up man! If you want a gay bar in Hertford, open one up yourself and stop whining about it. ... and oh, what happened to Spain? ...
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ha, fair point. is rgs_rick a troll? surely...
Reply ID 22506
quote:If you took notice of the posts made by other people you'd know that the suggestion has already been made and Rick responded to it. [;)]
Originally posted by azzza
...and not taking any notice of the posts made by other people ... If you want a gay bar in Hertford, open one up yourself
Reply ID 22596
Codek2,I said Hertford would not have a gay pub or bar NOW in Hertford,2006 and onwards,it did have gay or gay friendly bars in the past ,but I think not in today's world in Hertford,as the town as been taken over by "chavs"I was not going to say anymore about this topic,but had to reply to Codek2's silly childish remarks
Reply ID 22613
Unfortunately Chavs have as much right to frequent the pubs in Hertford as Gay people - ultimately market forces will dictate the type of pubs in Hertford. If lots of Chavs frequent a pub then it is likely to become a Chav Pub, If lots of Gay people frequent a pub then it is likely to become a Gay Pub. Yes there are other factors involved like location, beer and ambience that will influence what type of clientelle visit an establishment, but ultimately it is the customers that drive the market not the pub itself.
Reply ID 22621
That is the most sensible thing that has been said on this topic since it started. Is there any chance we can now move on please.
Reply ID 22624
Granted, there are probably some youths who are gay. I cannot see the problem in it, as long as a gay pub doesn't become a total no-go zone for any fights and abuse which, from experience, is not the case. I would welcome a gay pub to the town.
Reply ID 22628
I don't know Rick doesn't move to Brighton. There is far better tolorance than Spain.
Reply ID 22659
quote:thanks...[V]
Originally posted by rgs_rick
as the town as been taken over by "chavs"
Reply ID 22666
quote:EVERY town has been talken over by chavs!
Originally posted by Mr Pquote:thanks...[V]
Originally posted by rgs_rick
as the town as been taken over by "chavs"
Reply ID 22707
I used to run a nightclub, who's clientelle were predominently of direct african or west indian origin. We did not call it a black nightclub or discourage caucasian customers by doing so. One of my ex girlfriends was black, another bi-sexual. Nither wanted to be separated from the rest of the world for being so. Those who bandy about words like "homophobic" to describe a lack of segregation, might wish to be careful that it is not their own attitude causing predudice. I do not expect to have a "white hetero only" pub, just because of an accident of birth and certainly many of my gay friends would not use a pub which singled them out on the basis of their sexuality, rather than allowing a range of aquaintances. Does rgs rick wish to exclude me from this place, for being straight? Unless the pub is to be purely used as a pick up joint, the sexuality of it's clients is irrelevent.
Reply ID 22746
I don't think it is unreasonable for rgs_rick to muse on the benefits/validity of an openly 'gay constitution' bar/club in Hertford. To me, Lombard House would be an ideal proving ground. I've never been to San Francisco but I can imagine the mist rolling in and romantically vignetteing the Old Barge. I'd be putty in anybody's hands
Reply ID 22747
LOL! [:D]
Reply ID 22763
Personally, I'd like all venues to be strongly biased to my own sexual preferences and discourage anyone that might not fancy me. Er........what do reckon my chances are?
Reply ID 22766
Do people think, "I know what, I will open a Gay Bar" How do people know it is going to be a Gay Bar before it opens? Do they put big signs up saying "GAY BAR"? Was the Admiral Nelson in Soho opened initially as a Gay Bar or did it come out after a few years? Surely bars become frequented by different types of people as they years go on?
Reply ID 22768
Spot on Shunt and Victor. I just hope Rick leaves us all in peace now.
Reply ID 22774
quote:Admiral Duncan actually
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Do people think, "I know what, I will open a Gay Bar" How do people know it is going to be a Gay Bar before it opens? Do they put big signs up saying "GAY BAR"? Was the Admiral Nelson in Soho opened initially as a Gay Bar or did it come out after a few years? Surely bars become frequented by different types of people as they years go on?
Reply ID 22780
Admin I think this website should "buy" me a "gay" bar etc in Hertford to run ,after the success of this topic on this site ,with over 4500 people reading it and with some 130 replies etc,long may this site reign,sorry sounded like a "queen " there,must not upset the people must we.Very last on this now boring topic I promise.
Reply ID 22790
Rick, I hope I speak for many when I say you don't need your gay bar. I'm sure that most would welcome your company in any one of a number of Hertford venues. I accept that there are a few with their own prejudices too, on many subjects, including homosexuality. People can latch on to the way another person is "different", but in reality, we all are. That's life! Good luck mate.
Reply ID 22791
quote:The Fact that The Admiral Duncan is in the gay part of London (Old compton st.) and is painted pink/purple, I think that kinda gives the game away that it is in fact, and has always been, and probably always will be a gay bar.
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Do people think, "I know what, I will open a Gay Bar" How do people know it is going to be a Gay Bar before it opens? Do they put big signs up saying "GAY BAR"? Was the Admiral Nelson in Soho opened initially as a Gay Bar or did it come out after a few years? Surely bars become frequented by different types of people as they years go on?
Reply ID 22795
quote:The voice of reason.[^]
Originally posted by shunt
Rick, I hope I speak for many when I say you don't need your gay bar. I'm sure that most would welcome your company in any one of a number of Hertford venues. I accept that there are a few with their own prejudices too, on many subjects, including homosexuality. People can latch on to the way another person is "different", but in reality, we all are. That's life! Good luck mate.
Reply ID 22861
Yes Azza but the point that Victor is making is that this was not opened as a Gay Bar and has been there for Donkey's years. That area of London has not always been a gay area. I hope I am not being presumptious Victor, but the point is that you should not open a drinking establishment and stigmatise it from the outset as specifically for one set of people, whatever their gender, race or life preference.
Reply ID 22866
Eggs Zackily! In the 60's did they open up Mod bars and Rocker Bars? or did Mods and Rockers just frequent a pub which made it either a Mod Pub or a Rocker Pub? If anything the posts made by Rick are discriminatory to anyone that is not Homosexual. Rick seems to label anyone drinking in Hertford that is not a homosexual a Chav, is that not discriminative? Just out of interest, how would the World react if I said I wanted to open a Heterosexual Bar?
Reply ID 22867
Right on brother. Great minds think alike eh!!!
Reply ID 23663
The Snug Bar, from its website, looks like a nice gay friendly bar
Reply ID 23665
no offence but was you not leaving hertford because it was so anti gay this topic has gone round and round now and it seems that the same thing is being said over and over again WE ARE NOT ANTI GAY IN HERTFORD WE WELCOME YOU AND YOUR PARTNER TO ANY ONE OF THE PUBS IN HERTFORD AND AS A LANDLORD MYSELF I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR ANYONE OF THE LANDLORDS IN HERTFORD DONT LABEL US AS ANTI GAY JUST BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A GAY BAR phew i wonder if this will get through soon
Reply ID 23671
Remember the Prince of Wales in Hertingfordbury used to be a gay pub? (Admin, it counts as Hertford becausde it's only 15 minutes stroll up the Cole Green Way from the football club). Then it stopped being gay and was rebranded by new management as family friendly (not that I'm suggesting the two are mutually exclusive [:)][;)] ) This troubled establishment has now changed hands three times in the last couple of months. The new managers, who have been there for less than a fortnight, are, I think, gay (I might be wrong [:I]) and whilst this doesn't necessarily mean it will be a 'gay' pub, I am sure it will be very gay friendly and I thought rgs_rick might like to know about it. [:)] Whether it's gay or not, it's still dingy, dirty and usually empty so I hope that the new managers will turn the place around where so many others have tried and failed. I have to say I just can't understand what the owner is trying to do with this pub. Is he just planning to run it into the ground to get change of use planning permish so he can sell it off for residential use? It could be a little goldmine as a well-run gastropub/B&B... let's hope the new managers make big improvements.
Reply ID 23693
Thanks Rachel, I had not heard that about the POW pub,yes its as had a troubled history,regarding the manaagement,I was very much invloved with the company that had the lease(London & Edinburgh Inns),and was able to get the two gay guys that managed it from June2004 to June2005,the job,they did try and made it a gay friendly pub ,and there was some good nights there ,attended by a lot of straight people as well as gay people.Since then it was shut for a few weeks then I heard the lease had been sold to a small group of pubs company ,and a guy was there managed it,as a food pub ,but as I not been there for months,not heard this guy had gone.You right Rachel,it could be a little gold mine,I myself was offeded the lease in 2004,by LEI ,but my partner was not keen,so do keep us informed,just wonder what all the people on here who were anti gay or gay friendly pub in Hertford or theraabouts ,will now say,and once again im sure a great number of gay people will say thank you Rachel for telling us this
Reply ID 23697
quote:There is NOT ONE single anti-gay or anti-gay pub post in this thread. How about quoting an example?
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...just wonder what all the people on here who were anti gay or gay friendly pub in Hertford or theraabouts ,will now say,
Reply ID 23698
quote:WHO ON HERE ARE ANTI-GAY? OR ANTI A GAY FRIENDLY PUB? NO-ONE HAS GIVEN THE IMPRESSION OF BEING ANTI ANYTHING. AND YES, I DO MEAN TO SHOUT. And, you have said one more than one occasion that it was to be your final word on the subject, and you still keep returning. Jayzee speaks for all of us, I am sure.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Thanks Rachel, I had not heard that about the POW pub,yes its as had a troubled history,regarding the manaagement,I was very much invloved with the company that had the lease(London & Edinburgh Inns),and was able to get the two gay guys that managed it from June2004 to June2005,the job,they did try and made it a gay friendly pub ,and there was some good nights there ,attended by a lot of straight people as well as gay people.Since then it was shut for a few weeks then I heard the lease had been sold to a small group of pubs company ,and a guy was there managed it,as a food pub ,but as I not been there for months,not heard this guy had gone.You right Rachel,it could be a little gold mine,I myself was offeded the lease in 2004,by LEI ,but my partner was not keen,so do keep us informed,just wonder what all the people on here who were anti gay or gay friendly pub in Hertford or theraabouts ,will now say,and once again im sure a great number of gay people will say thank you Rachel for telling us this
Reply ID 23699
quote:I doubt it!!
Originally posted by jayzee
no offence but was you not leaving hertford because it was so anti gay this topic has gone round and round now and it seems that the same thing is being said over and over again WE ARE NOT ANTI GAY IN HERTFORD WE WELCOME YOU AND YOUR PARTNER TO ANY ONE OF THE PUBS IN HERTFORD AND AS A LANDLORD MYSELF I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR ANYONE OF THE LANDLORDS IN HERTFORD DONT LABEL US AS ANTI GAY JUST BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A GAY BAR phew i wonder if this will get through soon
Reply ID 23702
quote:You sound paranoid.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
Thanks Rachel, I had not heard that about the POW pub,yes its as had a troubled history,regarding the manaagement,I was very much invloved with the company that had the lease(London & Edinburgh Inns),and was able to get the two gay guys that managed it from June2004 to June2005,the job,they did try and made it a gay friendly pub ,and there was some good nights there ,attended by a lot of straight people as well as gay people.Since then it was shut for a few weeks then I heard the lease had been sold to a small group of pubs company ,and a guy was there managed it,as a food pub ,but as I not been there for months,not heard this guy had gone.You right Rachel,it could be a little gold mine,I myself was offeded the lease in 2004,by LEI ,but my partner was not keen,so do keep us informed,just wonder what all the people on here who were anti gay or gay friendly pub in Hertford or theraabouts ,will now say,and once again im sure a great number of gay people will say thank you Rachel for telling us this
Reply ID 23711
some one book his ticket please this has gone on long enough name one person who has said a bad word about a gay pub in hertford not one person has everyone has said we dont need it because we accept every individual who walks through our door no matter what you seem anti straight or just anti hertford and i dont know why it is very sad that you chose to not except what anyone has said unless you twist it to fit in with your next outburst of nonsence OPEN ONE BACK ONE OR HELP START ONE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT IF YOU THINK ITS A PROBLEM myself i dont see a problem start one in my pub you are more then welcome to bring any member of the gay community into my pub hetro gay bi you name it everyone is welcome here STOP WITH THE RUBBISH AND DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE YOU ARE ONLY CAUSING THE PROBLEM YOURSELF NOT TRYING TO FIX IT
Reply ID 23712
quote:Yes - but what I still can't work out is why it's Spain he wants to go to? Catholic, traditional, orthodox Espana? What's that stuff that's left in the ring after a bullfight? It's bull something ........
Originally posted by jayzee
some one book his ticket please
Reply ID 23713
FIGHTERS i think you mean im going to have a whip round to book his ticket so when he gets to spain he will realise that hertford is the place to be and come back with his tail between his legs
Reply ID 23809
Come on folks, the fact that Rick isn't making sense, hasn't really gone to spain, and is making comments about quotes thats don't exist can mean only one thing!!!!!!!! He really works for the Mercury!!!!!!
Reply ID 23835
What a load of angst and hissy fitting. I couldn't care less what colour, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, shoe size, weight or ambidextrous ability anyone has, so long as when in ANY pub they are not insisting on forcing the aforementioned on me or anyone else. Likewise I have never been aware of any pub that has made people feel unwelcome...over-dressed maybe, but never unwelcome. Meanwhile, can we have a pub for people with 2 left feet who can only wear flip flips please?
Reply ID 23857
I don't know about anyone else but I am getting a bit tired of this thread. Who really honestly cares whether a gay bar opens in Hertford? As long as it is run well, serves decent beer and is clean then I can't see what the problem is.
Reply ID 23880
quote:I think most of us agree with you. But it was innocent statements like that at the beginning which lead Rck to decide that most of us were homophobic.
Originally posted by Berbatov
I don't know about anyone else but I am getting a bit tired of this thread. Who really honestly cares whether a gay bar opens in Hertford? As long as it is run well, serves decent beer and is clean then I can't see what the problem is.
Reply ID 23881
(Admin this is about this topic because most of these people do not want a gay bar in Hertford)You lot are without doubt a lot of nasty rude and offensive people(with the exception of lovely Rachel)you been very personal to me ,called me names,trying to analyse me etc,rude about were im going etc,its what i call reverse homophobia,yes I am leaving Hertford in about 6 months time ,not to Spain ,but to another far nicer part of the UK ,were is none of your business,and going back to my first message on here,I asked why Hertford as not get a gay bar,that question as not been answered once,just abuse aimed at me,this is the end no more from me ever again,why should I worry whats in Hertford, im going,and as the saying goes the town is only as good as the people thats in it ,enough said ,have a good life
Reply ID 23885
Rick, can you define what you mean by a "gay bar". It might help us to understand what it is tht you are looking for.
Reply ID 23887
quote:You'd support a bar clearly run by a bigot like Rick?
Originally posted by Berbatovquote:You may have gone but I'd be one to support your bar (providing the beer was nice).
Originally posted by rgs_rick
(Admin this is about this topic because most of these people do not want a gay bar in Hertford)You lot are without doubt a lot of nasty rude and offensive people(with the exception of lovely Rachel)you been very personal to me ,called me names,trying to analyse me etc,rude about were im going etc,its what i call reverse homophobia,yes I am leaving Hertford in about 6 months time ,not to Spain ,but to another far nicer part of the UK ,were is none of your business,and going back to my first message on here,I asked why Hertford as not get a gay bar,that question as not been answered once,just abuse aimed at me,this is the end no more from me ever again,why should I worry whats in Hertford, im going,and as the saying goes the town is only as good as the people thats in it ,enough said ,have a good life
Reply ID 23894
quote:There might be a gay bar if you'd accepted to tenancy you were offered at the Prince Of Wales.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
(Admin this is about this topic because most of these people do not want a gay bar in Hertford)You lot are without doubt a lot of nasty rude and offensive people(with the exception of lovely Rachel)you been very personal to me ,called me names,trying to analyse me etc,rude about were im going etc,its what i call reverse homophobia,yes I am leaving Hertford in about 6 months time ,not to Spain ,but to another far nicer part of the UK ,were is none of your business,and going back to my first message on here,I asked why Hertford as not get a gay bar,that question as not been answered once,just abuse aimed at me,this is the end no more from me ever again,why should I worry whats in Hertford, im going,and as the saying goes the town is only as good as the people thats in it ,enough said ,have a good life
Reply ID 23896
quote:I obviously joined the debate late. Is there a bit of history here?
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:There might be a gay bar if you'd accepted to tenancy you were offered at the Prince Of Wales.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
(Admin this is about this topic because most of these people do not want a gay bar in Hertford)You lot are without doubt a lot of nasty rude and offensive people(with the exception of lovely Rachel)you been very personal to me ,called me names,trying to analyse me etc,rude about were im going etc,its what i call reverse homophobia,yes I am leaving Hertford in about 6 months time ,not to Spain ,but to another far nicer part of the UK ,were is none of your business,and going back to my first message on here,I asked why Hertford as not get a gay bar,that question as not been answered once,just abuse aimed at me,this is the end no more from me ever again,why should I worry whats in Hertford, im going,and as the saying goes the town is only as good as the people thats in it ,enough said ,have a good life
Reply ID 23898
You should read the thread Defoe Boy! Its worth it. Basically, If you don't agree with Rick, there is something wrong with you (in his eyes).
Reply ID 23901
Berb, if you want a flavour, here are some of Ricks fantastic unprovoked comments! "Hertford is the most homophobic town in England" "Hertford is a awful town now run by chavs" "you narrow minded people in this forum and topic" And you have to admire his conviction to walk away.... "One very final word on this topic" "One final thing about gay pub in Hertford" "The very very last point im making on this topic" "Very last on this now boring topic I promise" and here's my favourite quote from the man who who slags us and Hertord off! "I do not eat ,drink ,socialise in this town what so ever" You will also notice that when asked to provide a quote concerning what he accuses others of saying, he doesn't provide a single one. Its all in his head. He's simply an attention seeker. But he's gone now!!!!!!!!........again.
Reply ID 23903
quote:Err.. What?? The question of why this town has not got a gay bar has been answered time and time again - you unfortunately seem too blinkered to understand it Rick. The Hertford townsfolk are NOT homophobic but by Christ you're having a good go at making it that way with your continued rants. We just don't need drinking establishments with labels, just good atmosphere, well kept beer and where all are welcomed irrespective of their sexual preferences, creed or colour. Please Admin, lock this topic down - its become repetitious and tiresome.
its what i call reverse homophobia
Reply ID 23904
quote:There is not one post here that says that. You were asked to quote an example before and you've not responded.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...most of these people do not want a gay bar in Hertford
quote:Example?
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...called me names
quote:Yes is has, on several occasions.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
I asked why Hertford as not get a gay bar,that question as not been answered once
quote:Example? Of course, I don't expect a response, given that you've been invited to substantiate your allegations before and always chosen not to do so.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
...just abuse aimed at me
Reply ID 23906
quote:Apologies, my Bulgarian is great but my understanding of English words is on the uptake. Thanks for explaining Dude.
Originally posted by Dude
Berb, if you want a flavour, here are some of Ricks fantastic unprovoked comments! "Hertford is the most homophobic town in England" "Hertford is a awful town now run by chavs" "you narrow minded people in this forum and topic" And you have to admire his conviction to walk away.... "One very final word on this topic" "One final thing about gay pub in Hertford" "The very very last point im making on this topic" "Very last on this now boring topic I promise" and here's my favourite quote from the man who who slags us and Hertord off! "I do not eat ,drink ,socialise in this town what so ever" You will also notice that when asked to provide a quote concerning what he accuses others of saying, he doesn't provide a single one. Its all in his head. He's simply an attention seeker. But he's gone now!!!!!!!!........again.
Reply ID 23907
quote:It doesn't matter where you run to, your paranoid fantasy will always be with you
Originally posted by rgs_rick
I am leaving Hertford in about 6 months time ,not to Spain ,but to another far nicer part of the UK ,were is none of your business
Reply ID 24157
Can't we close this topic now please and hope Rick crawls back under his stone?
Reply ID 24161
quote:Couldn't agree more. Very boring and dome to death.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Can't we close this topic now please and hope Rick crawls back under his stone?
Reply ID 24172
quote:Agreed - amusing for a short while, but now simply tiresome
Originally posted by 2929paulquote:Couldn't agree more. Very boring and dome to death.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Can't we close this topic now please and hope Rick crawls back under his stone?
Reply ID 24184
Why do you all keep reading it then?
Reply ID 26054
just like to tell you lot ,they is now a gay friendly bar in the Hertford area ,run by gay people,its not fair to say were it is,as im sure some of you lot ,will come to see the"freak show" (not my words) but the way some people look at it.Its very nice bar ,better then all the pubs in Hertford put together with exception of the Snug Bar(non smoking) the Woolpack and the Old Cross Tavern, as from my very first message on here,that as now been answered,very end of story.
Reply ID 26064
Any guesses on the pub in question?
Reply ID 26066
my guess is it isnt the Ram!
Reply ID 26067
quote:I am not going to re-read the rest of the pages on this topic but from taking part in this discussion I do not recall the phrase 'freak show' being used. For someone who based their entire argument upon a suggested intolerance of the gay community by, as you called it, homophobic Hertford, you demonstrate a startling lack of understanding and tollerance. You may have received responses to your posts that you were not happy with but this is probably caused by the paranoid tone of your posts and your rampant stereotyping. The phrase 'freak show' may not be your words but it certainly is on this forum. How dare you have the audacity to imply that someone else here has posted such a comment. I don't care whether or not there is a gay pub in or around Hertford. If it is good pub then great. However, may I suggest that the only freakish thing in the entire establishment will be the size of the chip on your shoulder.
Originally posted by rgs_rick
just like to tell you lot ,they is now a gay friendly bar in the Hertford area ,run by gay people,its not fair to say were it is,as im sure some of you lot ,will come to see the"freak show" (not my words) but the way some people look at it.Its very nice bar ,better then all the pubs in Hertford put together with exception of the Snug Bar(non smoking) the Woolpack and the Old Cross Tavern, as from my very first message on here,that as now been answered,very end of story.
Reply ID 26068
I reckon this thread was simply created to generate hostility. Who cares if there is a gay pub in the town? Grow up.
Reply ID 26069
quote:Which 'lot' would that be? All the people that have unanimously said they don't care about a persons sexual preferences or the hoards of 'queer bashers that you seem to think Hertford is full of? quote]very end of story.[/quote] Thank Christ for that. Please go away now. Sorry admin - I'll take a 'dont feed the troll' rebuke on the chin.
Originally posted by rgs_rick just like to tell you lot
Reply ID 26091
at last an end may be in sight i hope rick will be very happy in his new little haven where ever it may be and im sure that everyone that drinks in this new mystery bar cant wait to see or hear your opinion of hertford and its drinking public by all means print of the pages from this site and show your new found freinds just what has been said and how you nearly put the back up of all here on the forum please do because i have shown alot of my freinds and thay cant belieive some of the things you have said and how you can only respond to a topic that you twist and bend to fit your opinion and then throw it back on here in the begining i was on your side and would defend you but you just kept spouting more and more rubbish im glad you have a place that you feel is what you want but just remember you are welcome in any licenced premises and that the day a landlord of a pub is against you for your sexual prefrence then come and see me but as im sure that day will never come as all the licencees i have met and that i know in this town are very proffesional and members of there community to the hilt that day will not come rick i hope you and your partner are very happy in your new drinking hole and that your pint never be warm god bless and goodbye
Reply ID 26110
Is this gay as in 'blithe'. In which case it's gotta be the Warren.
Reply ID 26129
quote:My guess would be probably not. I think I know the pub to which Rick refers. Blithe it is not. In fact in my experience and that of a gay friend (by both meanings) who is female, it can be one of Hertford's most judgemental bar communities. Should suit anyone who believes that one who is not a male homosexual is automatically homophobic.
Originally posted by Herbert Lemons
Is this gay as in 'blithe'. In which case it's gotta be the Warren.
Reply ID 26140
So which pub is the gay pub? I'm confused! [:p]
Reply ID 26141
None of them! That's the point. They are all mixed.
Reply ID 26143
quote:This is true but one pub in particular is more homo-friendly and well known on the "rainbow network". In any case its not actually in the town centre and its not strictly speaking a dedicated pub. Most locals can work out where it is.... I'll add i'm not gay and dont drink there but its pretty obvious where it is if youve been in there on one nights where a lot of gay people are in there.. edited to add that I did a quick google for the place and it is actually being activly marketed as a gay pub on a friday night. Glad youve found a place to drink and feel at ease anyway Rick.
Originally posted by shunt
None of them! That's the point. They are all mixed.
Reply ID 26144
Why for the love of god are we still speaking about this after all this time! Its quite simple really! If you care about the sexuality of other people in the pub you frequent ask them, most "openly" homosexual people will by definition be "open" If you don't care whats the problem?? BTW im not gay, I just dont care who is and who isnt, or where they drink or dont drink and i am certainly in NO WAY alligning myself with the starter of this thread, In my opinion the man/woman clearly "has issues"
Reply ID 26145
quote:Not the one I'm thinking of then. Love the term "rainbow network" even if I don't see how it relates to gays. Never have really worked out the jargon. I don't think pubs are either gay, or not gay. Anyway, I don't walk in to a pub announcing my own sexuality as I cross the threshold and I don't see why anyone should feel the need to.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:This is true but one pub in particular is more homo-friendly and well known on the "rainbow network". In any case its not actually in the town centre and its not strictly speaking a dedicated pub. Most locals can work out where it is.... I'll add i'm not gay and dont drink there but its pretty obvious where it is if youve been in there on one nights where a lot of gay people are in there..
Originally posted by shunt
None of them! That's the point. They are all mixed.
Reply ID 26148
Once AGAIN shunt HEAR HEAR
Reply ID 26149
I came across the term "rainbow network" when I did a google for the pub. I presume it refers to the rainbow sign which many pubs have in their windows or sign to signify they are a "gay" pub or not. I thought I would sling it into my post to make me sound all street and up to date with all the new lingo.
Reply ID 26156
So does that mean that Geofrey, Bungle, Zippy, George, Rod, Jane & Freddy are all Gay?
Reply ID 26163
quote:Hint - other than this thread, what other thread has rgs_rick posted on recently? [;)]
Originally posted by Dude
So which pub is the gay pub? I'm confused! [:p]
Reply ID 26218
quote:See, Admin, that's the problem with letting threads get very long and boring and full of comments and opinions that are nothing to do with Hertford - no-one can be arsed to wade through the pages to read the few posts that are actually germaine to our community. I posted the above, which gives the identity of the local gay-friendly pub, back in August and here's a link to a more recent customer review http://rainbownetwork.com/topics/detail.asp?iData=72494&iCat=151&iChannel=9&nChannel=Topics I haven't been in for weeks to see how the place has improved under the new management but I've heard favourable comments from a (straight) friend who is a regular.
Originally posted by Rachel
Remember the Prince of Wales in Hertingfordbury used to be a gay pub? (Admin, it counts as Hertford becausde it's only 15 minutes stroll up the Cole Green Way from the football club). This troubled establishment has now changed hands three times in the last couple of months. The new managers, who have been there for less than a fortnight, are, I think, gay (I might be wrong [:I]) and whilst this doesn't necessarily mean it will be a 'gay' pub, I am sure it will be very gay friendly and I hope they will turn the place around where so
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If you put gay pub hertford into google, the first thing that comes up links you to something being organised by someone called Richard S (shamieuk) who also put the review on the above link posted by Rachel. Obvious really. Rick clearly has found a great place to drink where he feels comfortable. Let's close this thread now and forget about it.
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^^^^^ I agree with 2929paul. This thread has run it's course. Lock it and let's all move on.
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Agreed.