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If you have any comments on community policing or law and order issues, PCSO Hutchin of Herts Police will be able to respond to any posts made here.
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How did this come about then, Admin? Did they contact you, or you them? Is PC Hutchin a member of this forum?
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PCSOs regularly post on Ware Online
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I would like to introduce myself. I have been a PCSO in Hertford for 6 months now and although I am new to the job I would like to think that I have made a difference to my areas. My Wards consist of Kingsmead and Bengeo. There are 2 other PCSO's for the Hertford area, PCSO Mandy Miller for Sele Ward and PCSO Maria Fernandez for Town Centre and Hornsmill Ward. Please feel free to use this forum to ask any questions about any policing or neighbourhood issues that you have. If I can not answer your question I will find out the answer and get back to you ASAP. Regards, PCSO Alison Hutchin
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Do we have community wardens anywhere else in Hertford?
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quote:Good to see you involved in the forum.
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin
I would like to introduce myself. I have been a PCSO in Hertford for 6 months now and although I am new to the job I would like to think that I have made a difference to my areas. My Wards consist of Kingsmead and Bengeo. There are 2 other PCSO's for the Hertford area, PCSO Mandy Miller for Sele Ward and PCSO Maria Fernandez for Town Centre and Hornsmill Ward. Please feel free to use this forum to ask any questions about any policing or neighbourhood issues that you have. If I can not answer your question I will find out the answer and get back to you ASAP. Regards, PCSO Alison Hutchin
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quote:I think Alison's post covered all the areas. Where did you have in mind?
Originally posted by Nicky
Do we have community wardens anywhere else in Hertford?
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What about Hertford Castle ward?
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quote:I think that's what Alison meant by "Town Centre and Horns Mill".
Originally posted by Ewoowar
What about Hertford Castle ward?
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The reason I asked was becuase the initial impression I got was that the community warden was for the Bengeo area only. As Bengeo is supposed to be a nice quiet part of town to live I would doubt they would need a community warden, and as many people on here have pointed out other areas in the town i.e. Sele Farm that are supposably riddled with trouble (which I doubt is as bad as people make out) but either way have they been given a community warden?
Reply ID 18349
What exactly do you mean by "community warden"? I think there's a difference between Community Wardens and PCSOs. Community Wardens are appointed by and work for the District Council, whereas Community Support Officers (PCSOs) are part of The Police. I think I've got that right.
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quote:i think you'll see from other postings nicky that bengeo does indeed need extra policing!! (not that it's had any effect tho...)
Originally posted by Nicky As Bengeo is supposed to be a nice quiet part of town to live I would doubt they would need a community warden, and as many people on here have pointed out other areas in the town i.e. Sele Farm that are supposably riddled with trouble (which I doubt is as bad as people make out) but either way have they been given a community warden?
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quote:Maybe:
Originally posted by Nicky
The reason I asked was becuase the initial impression I got was that the community warden was for the Bengeo area only. As Bengeo is supposed to be a nice quiet part of town to live I would doubt they would need a community warden, and as many people on here have pointed out other areas in the town i.e. Sele Farm that are supposably riddled with trouble (which I doubt is as bad as people make out) but either way have they been given a community warden?
quote:[:)]
PCSO Mandy Miller for Sele Ward
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To clear a few things up...... There are 4 wards in Hertford - Kingmead, Bengeo, Castle, and Sele. From a policing point of view each ward has a Ward Constable and a PCSO allocated to it. The Ward Constable is a police officer who works along side the Police Community Support Officer to patrol the area and deal with any ongoing problems that we can help with. Here are your local contacts: Castle Ward Ward Constable Town Centre - PC Lesley O'Connell Ward Constable excluding Town centre - PC Kerry Govey PCSO Maria Fernandez Sele Ward Ward Constable - PC Justin Marshall PCSO Mandy Miller Bengeo and Kingsmead Wards Ward Constable - PC Martin Swift PCSO Alison Hutchin I hope that this explains the set up a bit better. If you have any questions please let me know. Alison
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does this work the same for the licensed trade within those areas
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i'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking if we deal with licensing issues in each are?
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sorry yes thats what i meant as i dont know of a licensing officer in hertford
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Can I just ask, what is the point of PCSO's.? They have virtually no powers or authority; they are almost untrained and are a government ploy to try to provide policing on the cheap. Why would anyone want to be a PCSO, unless they had failed to join the regular force.
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I can only imagine that you must have had a bad happenstance with one of them buzz?? I have to say that i agree with what you say, although my understanding is that they also seem to give some kind of reassurance to the weaker in the community?
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I understood that there powers were about to be increased anyway. They are also appear to be out and about more than PCs, which most of the public are glad to see. Personally, I always thought that fully trained PCs were overkill (and too expensive) for a lot of low-level anti-social type of crime reporting/detection. PCSOs seem a good idea to me, assuming that they can rapidly be backed up if need be.
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A BOLD assumption methinks!!!
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Mick: I can assure you I have had no interaction with a PCSO, bad or otherwise. Having been a Police Officer for 30 years I just cannot see the point of them. OK, so it reassures members of the public, up until the point where they want them to do something, and then find that they don't have the powers to do so.
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Q.E.D. buzz!
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The Mission Statement for PCSO. "To be a visible foot patrolling representative of law and order, providing public reassurance and to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder within the community. Complementing the work of Police Officers by focusing on, lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour." I have been a PCSO for 18 months now and I can assure you that if I thought I could not make a difference to the lives of the local community that I serve then I would not be doing this job. The point of PCSOs is to deal with low level crime and anti-social behaviour, provide reassurance and increase the publics feelings of safety, to work with local authorities in order to find long term solution to problems and to gain local intelligence that can lead to arrests. In the days before PCSOs, if you reported anti-social behaviour to the police there may not have been police resources available to attend and if police did attend they would deal with the incident and move onto the next one. PCSOs can use their local knowledge to help to prevent the anti-social behaviour by working with the children, their parents and their school to find a long term solution to the problem. If you would like to know more about what we do then please contact me on 01992 533535 and I can arrange for your local PCSO to take you out with them on a "ride along".
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quote:I agree with you Ray. The visibility factor is very important. Keep up the good work. By the way - were you one of the PCSO's that came to lunch at my son's school on Tuesday?
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
I understood that there powers were about to be increased anyway. They are also appear to be out and about more than PCs, which most of the public are glad to see. Personally, I always thought that fully trained PCs were overkill (and too expensive) for a lot of low-level anti-social type of crime reporting/detection. PCSOs seem a good idea to me, assuming that they can rapidly be backed up if need be.
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quote:Please, don't be so patronising! As already mentioned, I have 30 years experience as a Police Officer. I don't need you to take me on a "ride along".
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin
The Mission Statement for PCSO. "To be a visible foot patrolling representative of law and order, providing public reassurance and to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder within the community. Complementing the work of Police Officers by focusing on, lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour." I have been a PCSO for 18 months now and I can assure you that if I thought I could not make a difference to the lives of the local community that I serve then I would not be doing this job. The point of PCSOs is to deal with low level crime and anti-social behaviour, provide reassurance and increase the publics feelings of safety, to work with local authorities in order to find long term solution to problems and to gain local intelligence that can lead to arrests. In the days before PCSOs, if you reported anti-social behaviour to the police there may not have been police resources available to attend and if police did attend they would deal with the incident and move onto the next one. PCSOs can use their local knowledge to help to prevent the anti-social behaviour by working with the children, their parents and their school to find a long term solution to the problem. If you would like to know more about what we do then please contact me on 01992 533535 and I can arrange for your local PCSO to take you out with them on a "ride along".
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quote:I think the offer was a general one, not specifically aimed at anyone in particular.
Originally posted by buzz
Please, don't be so patronising! As already mentioned, I have 30 years experience as a Police Officer. I don't need you to take me on a "ride along".
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quote:And that from the master of condescension! Pot, kettle, black.
Originally posted by buzz
[quote][i]Please, don't be so patronising!
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quote:Your point being???
Originally posted by Jobyquote:And that from the master of condescension! Pot, kettle, black.
Originally posted by buzz
[quote][i]Please, don't be so patronising!
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quote:You state that you deal with "low level" crime. How exactly do you do that? You do not have powers of arrest. You "provide reassurance" that's basically just saying "oh don't worry, it won't happen around here", but not actually doing anything to make sure it "won't happen around here" Increasing the public's "feeling of safety" doesn't actually make them safer. I repeat my statement: PCSO's are a government ploy and actually try to provide policing on the cheap
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin
The Mission Statement for PCSO. "To be a visible foot patrolling representative of law and order, providing public reassurance and to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder within the community. Complementing the work of Police Officers by focusing on, lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour." I have been a PCSO for 18 months now and I can assure you that if I thought I could not make a difference to the lives of the local community that I serve then I would not be doing this job. The point of PCSOs is to deal with low level crime and anti-social behaviour, provide reassurance and increase the publics feelings of safety, to work with local authorities in order to find long term solution to problems and to gain local intelligence that can lead to arrests. In the days before PCSOs, if you reported anti-social behaviour to the police there may not have been police resources available to attend and if police did attend they would deal with the incident and move onto the next one. PCSOs can use their local knowledge to help to prevent the anti-social behaviour by working with the children, their parents and their school to find a long term solution to the problem. If you would like to know more about what we do then please contact me on 01992 533535 and I can arrange for your local PCSO to take you out with them on a "ride along".
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and why is that a bad thing? If PCSO's have a positive effect and are cheaper than full time police officers, and improve the community, how on earth can that possibly be bad? you can't have your cake and eat it. i.e. moaning about high council tax, and then moaning about initiatives such as PCSO's!
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Aren't PCSO about to be given (or have already been given?) extra powers to detain people for 30 minutes for certain crimes until a PC arrives to formally arrest the miscreant?
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quote:I have to agree. Blunkets bobbies do appear to have been a "cop-out"... I don't think the "value" for money aspect is with merit. I think the 'policing on the cheap' thing goes out of the window, as although they are paid what, £18,000+ with shift allowance - I have only ever see them travel in pairs. Which sounds more expensive to me. However, I bet there are BiB who would love to have that amount of time on the street, and for many that was the job they joined to do before they got weighed down with paper and PC. The uniform may be very similar to regular officers but the powers are very different to a normal PC. I would have thought that this could lead to nasty situations where PCSO's find themselves without the training and equipment they need to stand a chance, - they only get about 5 odd weeks training I think.. At the end of the day, if shi*e hits the fan - all they have is their radio or mobile, which ain't really all that much use, apart from to call the, ah yes, regular police...
Originally posted by buzzquote:You state that you deal with "low level" crime. How exactly do you do that? You do not have powers of arrest. You "provide reassurance" that's basically just saying "oh don't worry, it won't happen around here", but not actually doing anything to make sure it "won't happen around here" Increasing the public's "feeling of safety" doesn't actually make them safer. I repeat my statement: PCSO's are a government ploy and actually try to provide policing on the cheap
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin
The Mission Statement for PCSO. "To be a visible foot patrolling representative of law and order, providing public reassurance and to assist with the prevention of crime and disorder within the community. Complementing the work of Police Officers by focusing on, lower level crime, disorder and anti social behaviour." I have been a PCSO for 18 months now and I can assure you that if I thought I could not make a difference to the lives of the local community that I serve then I would not be doing this job. The point of PCSOs is to deal with low level crime and anti-social behaviour, provide reassurance and increase the publics feelings of safety, to work with local authorities in order to find long term solution to problems and to gain local intelligence that can lead to arrests. In the days before PCSOs, if you reported anti-social behaviour to the police there may not have been police resources available to attend and if police did attend they would deal with the incident and move onto the next one. PCSOs can use their local knowledge to help to prevent the anti-social behaviour by working with the children, their parents and their school to find a long term solution to the problem. If you would like to know more about what we do then please contact me on 01992 533535 and I can arrange for your local PCSO to take you out with them on a "ride along".
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quote:It seems to me that PCSO's are supporting the regular police. Buzz, aren't you pleased that you don't have to spend so much time on petty incidents that you wouldn't bother making arrests for anyway because the paperwork and subsequent court leniency don't make it worth your while? Wouldn't you rather use your skill, training and expertise to prevent the more serious crimes? I agree that increasing the public's feeling of safety doesn't make them safer, but it must help to prevent the unnecessary feeling of insecurity that some vulnerable people have. Some people - particularly the elderly - are frightened of every teenager in a hoodie just because they've read reports in the press of hoodies being banned from shopping centres. If the presence of a police uniform makes them feel safer, it's a good thing. Just the presence of anyone in a police uniform - with or without powers of arrest - is probably enough to deter many of the kids from indulging in anti-social behaviour. This has been proven with the use of empty marked police cars parked in areas such as petrol station forecourts.
Originally posted by buzz You state that you deal with "low level" crime. How exactly do you do that? You do not have powers of arrest. You "provide reassurance" that's basically just saying "oh don't worry, it won't happen around here", but not actually doing anything to make sure it "won't happen around here" Increasing the public's "feeling of safety" doesn't actually make them safer. I repeat my statement: PCSO's are a government ploy and actually try to provide policing on the cheap
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quote:At least they would call the regular police, and they would probably get straight through. Joe Public would turn a blind eye because he doesn't want to get involved, or call the police only to be left hanging on to a ringing phone...
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading At the end of the day, if shi*e hits the fan - all they have is their radio or mobile, which ain't really all that much use, apart from to call the, ah yes, regular police...
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Talking of training, it has always puzzled me that special PCs have exactly the same arrest powers (or am I mistaken?)as regular PCs, and surely their training is nowhere near that of a full PC (probably less than that of a PCSO).
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quote:PCSOs only have power to "detain", not arrest. http://www.herts.police.uk/profiles/pcso.htm
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
Talking of training, it has always puzzled me that special PCs have exactly the same arrest powers (or am I mistaken?)as regular PCs
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quote:I think that Ray was alluding to the fact that Special (part time) Constables, (not PCSOs) have similar powers to their regular counterparts…
Originally posted by Stevequote:PCSOs only have power to "detain", not arrest. http://www.herts.police.uk/profiles/pcso.htm
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
Talking of training, it has always puzzled me that special PCs have exactly the same arrest powers (or am I mistaken?)as regular PCs
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quote:] As far as I am aware, and I am quite willing to be proved wrong, the presence of PCSO's has done nothing to prevent any anti-social behaviour. They just re-inforce the view that because there is a "uniform" visible that everything's fine and God's in his heaven.
Originally posted by nora battyquote:It seems to me that PCSO's are supporting the regular police. Buzz, aren't you pleased that you don't have to spend so much time on petty incidents that you wouldn't bother making arrests for anyway because the paperwork and subsequent court leniency don't make it worth your while? Wouldn't you rather use your skill, training and expertise to prevent the more serious crimes? I agree that increasing the public's feeling of safety doesn't make them safer, but it must help to prevent the unnecessary feeling of insecurity that some vulnerable people have. Some people - particularly the elderly - are frightened of every teenager in a hoodie just because they've read reports in the press of hoodies being banned from shopping centres. If the presence of a police uniform makes them feel safer, it's a good thing. Just the presence of anyone in a police uniform - with or without powers of arrest - is probably enough to deter many of the kids from indulging in anti-social behaviour. This has been proven with the use of empty marked police cars parked in areas such as petrol station forecourts.
Originally posted by buzz You state that you deal with "low level" crime. How exactly do you do that? You do not have powers of arrest. You "provide reassurance" that's basically just saying "oh don't worry, it won't happen around here", but not actually doing anything to make sure it "won't happen around here" Increasing the public's "feeling of safety" doesn't actually make them safer. I repeat my statement: PCSO's are a government ploy and actually try to provide policing on the cheap
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quote:That's an interesting point. What is the difference between "detaining" a person and " arresting " them? I would suggest that if a PCSO wants to "detain" you, then they must be allowed to use force to do so...........which is exactly what an arrest is. And, if you use force to protest, does this make you guilty of any offence?
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
Aren't PCSO about to be given (or have already been given?) extra powers to detain people for 30 minutes for certain crimes until a PC arrives to formally arrest the miscreant?
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quote:yes that was me. Trying to build a rapour with the primary school children so that they will grow up to respect and trust the police. Did he enjoy it?
I agree with you Ray. The visibility factor is very important. Keep up the good work. By the way - were you one of the PCSO's that came to lunch at my son's school on Tuesday?
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quote:I think you meant to put: "what is the point of PCSOs?" with no apostrophe and no full stop. The point is exactly as nora has been explaining. If you need to discuss it further with PCSO Hutchin, why not take up the offer of calling her direct, rather than firing off angry posts on a public forum.
Originally posted by buzz
Can I just ask, what is the point of PCSO's.?
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quote:Mt thoughts exactly. They can be reassuring as you say to people like the eldearly that have listened to the media and a deterent to some young offenders. Hopefully as you say this does leave more time for the trained guy's who I have total respect for to do their job on a higher level. Would the same be said of a retained fireperson when being first on the scene to put out your fire whilst waiting for the fully trained guy's, no I think they would be appreciated. There are different levels in authority and capability in every public service and business.
Originally posted by nora battyquote:It seems to me that PCSO's are supporting the regular police. Buzz, aren't you pleased that you don't have to spend so much time on petty incidents that you wouldn't bother making arrests for anyway because the paperwork and subsequent court leniency don't make it worth your while? Wouldn't you rather use your skill, training and expertise to prevent the more serious crimes? I agree that increasing the public's feeling of safety doesn't make them safer, but it must help to prevent the unnecessary feeling of insecurity that some vulnerable people have. Some people - particularly the elderly - are frightened of every teenager in a hoodie just because they've read reports in the press of hoodies being banned from shopping centres. If the presence of a police uniform makes them feel safer, it's a good thing. Just the presence of anyone in a police uniform - with or without powers of arrest - is probably enough to deter many of the kids from indulging in anti-social behaviour. This has been proven with the use of empty marked police cars parked in areas such as petrol station forecourts.
Originally posted by buzz You state that you deal with "low level" crime. How exactly do you do that? You do not have powers of arrest. You "provide reassurance" that's basically just saying "oh don't worry, it won't happen around here", but not actually doing anything to make sure it "won't happen around here" Increasing the public's "feeling of safety" doesn't actually make them safer. I repeat my statement: PCSO's are a government ploy and actually try to provide policing on the cheap
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quote:I don't really understand your point. The forums are here for people to discuss issues that concern them and fellow contributors.Calling her directly would not open up the matters for others to consider. As for "firing off angry posts" that is a nonsense. I am merely expressing a point of view. If you disagree, fine.
Originally posted by 2929paulquote:I think you meant to put: "what is the point of PCSOs?" with no apostrophe and no full stop. The point is exactly as nora has been explaining. If you need to discuss it further with PCSO Hutchin, why not take up the offer of calling her direct, rather than firing off angry posts on a public forum.
Originally posted by buzz
Can I just ask, what is the point of PCSO's.?
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quote:Apologies, you're right. I should have read the post more clearly! [:)]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
I think that Ray was alluding to the fact that Special (part time) Constables, (not PCSOs) have similar powers to their regular counterparts…
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quote:He did! He talked about it all the way home.
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin [yes that was me. Trying to build a rapour with the primary school children so that they will grow up to respect and trust the police. Did he enjoy it?
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quote:Excuse me! Where have I moaned about high council tax exactly?
Originally posted by codek2
and why is that a bad thing? If PCSO's have a positive effect and are cheaper than full time police officers, and improve the community, how on earth can that possibly be bad? you can't have your cake and eat it. i.e. moaning about high council tax, and then moaning about initiatives such as PCSO's!
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quote:You're right. Sorry. I meant to say "insulting posts" rather than "angry posts". But your posts have not really been insulting to PCSO Huchin specifically, just to the concept of PCSOs. I think I just got all angry myself because of the tone of your posts as heard in my head. If the "proper" police aren't out and about in the community any more for whatever reason, it's quite reassuring to see some sort of uniformed presence in evidence in the community.
Originally posted by buzzquote:I don't really understand your point. The forums are here for people to discuss issues that concern them and fellow contributors.Calling her directly would not open up the matters for others to consider. As for "firing off angry posts" that is a nonsense. I am merely expressing a point of view. If you disagree, fine.
Originally posted by 2929paulquote:I think you meant to put: "what is the point of PCSOs?" with no apostrophe and no full stop. The point is exactly as nora has been explaining. If you need to discuss it further with PCSO Hutchin, why not take up the offer of calling her direct, rather than firing off angry posts on a public forum.
Originally posted by buzz
Can I just ask, what is the point of PCSO's.?
Reply ID 34693
Mt thoughts exactly. They can be reassuring as you say to people like the eldearly that have listened to the media and a deterent to some young offenders. Hopefully as you say this does leave more time for the trained guy's who I have total respect for to do their job on a higher level. Would the same be said of a retained fireperson when being first on the scene to put out your fire whilst waiting for the fully trained guy's, no I think they would be appreciated. There are different levels in authority and capability in every public service and business. Would you hold the retained "fireperson" in such high regard if they turned up without an appliance, hose or ladder, but merely told you to stay calm until the proper fire brigade turned up?
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quote:Actually, yes, if they were on hand and the fire or "emergency" was minor - they don't always need their appliance, hose or ladder. Sometimes they just need asbestos gloves and a bit of muscle - such as when my friend's washing machine caught fire. The fire brigade just dragged it out into the garden with very little fuss. In fact, that is a really good idea. I wonder how many times the fire brigade get called out to deal with minor incidents that could be dealt with by one person.
Originally posted by buzz Would you hold the retained "fireperson" in such high regard if they turned up without an appliance, hose or ladder, but merely told you to stay calm until the proper fire brigade turned up?
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quote:A very bad and risky idea. What kind of assessment would be needed for that? What service do you require? 1 fireman or 2? Ok-so what happens if the wall or carpet catches when your PCSO equiv fireman is trying to sort it out, on his tod. His going to get on his phone and call the lads in. You are buggered, and your house is likely to be too. Things like fighting fire and crime are so unpredictable and can be so complex that it should always be left to highly trained and appropriately paid individuals. The fact of the matter is that this government has in my opinion, diluted many important aspects of public servie- education being a salient example, with classroom assistants aiding teachers grappling with ever increasing class sizes, when the real answer is to reduce the size of the class and instill a greater regime of discipline in the class. The same goes for crime fighting, we need more properly trained police, not less and not poor substitutes...
Originally posted by nora battyquote:Actually, yes, if they were on hand and the fire or "emergency" was minor - they don't always need their appliance, hose or ladder. Sometimes they just need asbestos gloves and a bit of muscle - such as when my friend's washing machine caught fire. The fire brigade just dragged it out into the garden with very little fuss. In fact, that is a really good idea. I wonder how many times the fire brigade get called out to deal with minor incidents that could be dealt with by one person.
Originally posted by buzz Would you hold the retained "fireperson" in such high regard if they turned up without an appliance, hose or ladder, but merely told you to stay calm until the proper fire brigade turned up?
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quote:Well,I have to say that I didn't ever expect to agree with "Exiled in Reading"over anything............but, I think on this occasion he (or she) has got it about right
Originally posted by buzzquote:
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:A very bad and risky idea. What kind of assessment would be needed for that? What service do you require? 1 fireman or 2? Ok-so what happens if the wall or carpet catches when your PCSO equiv fireman is trying to sort it out, on his tod. His going to get on his phone and call the lads in. You are buggered, and your house is likely to be too. Things like fighting fire and crime are so unpredictable and can be so complex that it should always be left to highly trained and appropriately paid individuals. The fact of the matter is that this government has in my opinion, diluted many important aspects of public servie- education being a salient example, with classroom assistants aiding teachers grappling with ever increasing class sizes, when the real answer is to reduce the size of the class and instill a greater regime of discipline in the class. The same goes for crime fighting, we need more properly trained police, not less and not poor substitutes...
Originally posted by nora battyquote:Actually, yes, if they were on hand and the fire or "emergency" was minor - they don't always need their appliance, hose or ladder. Sometimes they just need asbestos gloves and a bit of muscle - such as when my friend's washing machine caught fire. The fire brigade just dragged it out into the garden with very little fuss. In fact, that is a really good idea. I wonder how many times the fire brigade get called out to deal with minor incidents that could be dealt with by one person.
Originally posted by buzz Would you hold the retained "fireperson" in such high regard if they turned up without an appliance, hose or ladder, but merely told you to stay calm until the proper fire brigade turned up?
Reply ID 34733
well it's certainly not surprising to see a range of opinions on such an important topic. Everyone will have they're own views. It's good at least that people do still care about such things!
Reply ID 36331
Does the PCSO for Pinehurst walk around the estate on a regular basis like the cops did many of yrs back? or only if called? bcoz i never see her?
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Yes she does but as she covers the whole of the Kingsmead Ward and Bengeo it is not possible that Pinehurst can be patrolled all the time. There was a actually a public meeting at pinehurst community centre on Wednesday night (28th feb) that PCSO Hutchin arranged so she could listen to residents views on the area and discuss what can be done to resolve them.
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Is the anyway of getting hold of a copy of some of the issues raised at all?
Reply ID 36487
The Pinehurst Community Meeting was held on 28th February. This was attended by myself, PCSO Andy Nash, Jill Dockley (NHW Administrator), Julie Lawrence (East Herts Council Anti-social behaviour co-ordinator), Katy Patrick (East Herts Council Projects manager), June (Riversmead Housing Officer), Russell Cairns (Youth Worker) and approximately 40 local residents (including 10 young people). The main purpose of the meeting from my point of view was to give everyone the opportunity to meet their local PCSO's and find out what concerns the local residents have. The main issues rasied: - criminal damage to the new bus shelter (the panes are now going to be replaced with plastic panes so this should solve the problem) - the young people on the estate hanging around the shop and playing football outside peoples property and near their vehicles. (we spoke to the young people that attended and asked them what they needed to keep them occupied. They want an all weather, lit football area on the old school field. East Herts Council are going to look into this. Also we are on the list to get a temporary CCTV camera placed outside the shop.) - lack of police presence on the estate. (I have encouraged everyone to contact the police either on 0845 3300222 (non-emergency) or 999 when an incidents occurs so that the extent of the problem can be correctly measured. The more incidents reported the more attention the area will be given.) We also encouraged anyone who was interested in Neighbourhood Watch to show an interest by giving their contact details to Jill Dockley so she can set up a NHW on their street. If anyone would like any more information about this meeting then please contact your new PCSO, Andy Nash on andrew.nash(at)herts.pnn.police.uk or 01992 533535 as I am leaving on 22nd March to start become a Police Officer. Regards, PCSO Alison Hutchin
Reply ID 36492
quote:Alison, Good Luck in your new role. I know that you have made a difference to the Town.
Originally posted by PCSO Hutchin
The Pinehurst Community Meeting was held on 28th February. This was attended by myself, PCSO Andy Nash, Jill Dockley (NHW Administrator), Julie Lawrence (East Herts Council Anti-social behaviour co-ordinator), Katy Patrick (East Herts Council Projects manager), June (Riversmead Housing Officer), Russell Cairns (Youth Worker) and approximately 40 local residents (including 10 young people). The main purpose of the meeting from my point of view was to give everyone the opportunity to meet their local PCSO's and find out what concerns the local residents have. The main issues rasied: - criminal damage to the new bus shelter (the panes are now going to be replaced with plastic panes so this should solve the problem) - the young people on the estate hanging around the shop and playing football outside peoples property and near their vehicles. (we spoke to the young people that attended and asked them what they needed to keep them occupied. They want an all weather, lit football area on the old school field. East Herts Council are going to look into this. Also we are on the list to get a temporary CCTV camera placed outside the shop.) - lack of police presence on the estate. (I have encouraged everyone to contact the police either on 0845 3300222 (non-emergency) or 999 when an incidents occurs so that the extent of the problem can be correctly measured. The more incidents reported the more attention the area will be given.) We also encouraged anyone who was interested in Neighbourhood Watch to show an interest by giving their contact details to Jill Dockley so she can set up a NHW on their street. If anyone would like any more information about this meeting then please contact your new PCSO, Andy Nash on andrew.nash(at)herts.pnn.police.uk or 01992 533535 as I am leaving on 22nd March to start become a Police Officer. Regards, PCSO Alison Hutchin
Reply ID 36743
Hi alsion thank you 4 the info. wat station r u hoping to b based at if its hert or ches u will get to know me pretty well!!!!!
Reply ID 36750
I do not know where I will be based yet but it is likely to be Hertford or cheshunt!
Reply ID 36753
Good luck Alison! I wish you all the best in your new role.
quote:Please show respect to the other forum members by having the courtesy to complete your words. You are not sending an SMS so there's no need to worry about character limits. Cheers [:)]
Hi alsion thank you 4 the info. wat station r u hoping to b based at if its hert or ches u will get to know me pretty well!!!!!
Reply ID 36754
Good luck Alison in your new role, you will make a great officer........
Reply ID 36882
quote:I am sorry if you feel i have not shown courtesy but eveyone is allowed their own opinion and if i do choose to write short I am entitled to. and its called (short message service) not SMS. Cheers.
Originally posted by dingo
Good luck Alison! I wish you all the best in your new role.quote:Please show respect to the other forum members by having the courtesy to complete your words. You are not sending an SMS so there's no need to worry about character limits. Cheers [:)]
Hi alsion thank you 4 the info. wat station r u hoping to b based at if its hert or ches u will get to know me pretty well!!!!!
Reply ID 36890
Good Luck Alison
Reply ID 36927
Alision was you patroling this afternoon on pinehurst?????
Reply ID 36963
Yes that was me
Reply ID 36976
quote:It is not just me. Please read the sticky thread on [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=1681"]Spelling, punctuation and grammar[/url].
am sorry if you feel i have not shown courtesy
quote:Yes, they are. All the more reason why you should try to express yours in structured English if you want to others to understand you.
eveyone is allowed their own opinion
quote:Common abbreviations are acceptable, as is the lack of capitalisation, poorly placed parentheses, incorrect use of 'its' and missing comma in your last sentence. However, obfuscation of everyday words is not.
and its called (short message service) not SMS
Reply ID 36990
quote:You are new here, bless ya.
Originally posted by dingoquote:It is not just me. Please read the sticky thread on [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=1681"]Spelling, punctuation and grammar[/url].
am sorry if you feel i have not shown courtesyquote:Yes, they are. All the more reason why you should try to express yours in structured English if you want to others to understand you.
eveyone is allowed their own opinionquote:Common abbreviations are acceptable, as is the lack of capitalisation, poorly placed parentheses, incorrect use of 'its' and missing comma in your last sentence. However, obfuscation of everyday words is not.
and its called (short message service) not SMS
Reply ID 36999
Whatever......... So what if my English isnt great, and you have said your opinion get over it.
Reply ID 37005
quote:It seems dingo has been a member since 2003, and you since 2006. You are new here, bless ya :)
Originally posted by James007 You are new here, bless ya.
Reply ID 37007
And does the fact Dingo has been a member longer than I have mean that Im not allowed to defend myself? The fact that i have missed out a fullstop for example is not the end of the world and with regards to his comments how about some of his own comments? some of his own are shortened. :p
Reply ID 37009
quote:I was actually talking to James, which is why it says his name in the part I quoted. But anyway, SMS isn't shortened, it's an acronym. This thread is going wildly off topic.
Originally posted by Hertfordgirl
And does the fact Dingo has been a member longer than I have mean that Im not allowed to defend myself? The fact that i have missed out a fullstop for example is not the end of the world and with regards to his comments how about some of his own comments? some of his own are shortened. :p
Reply ID 37010
quote:I think you'll find the remark was not directed at you, but at James007
Originally posted by Hertfordgirl
And does the fact Dingo has been a member longer than I have mean that Im not allowed to defend myself? The fact that i have missed out a fullstop for example is not the end of the world and with regards to his comments how about some of his own comments? some of his own are shortened. :p
Reply ID 37012
I do apologise Steven
Reply ID 37048
quote:No problem :)
Originally posted by Hertfordgirl
I do apologise Steven
Reply ID 45402
I've noticed an increased street police presence in Ware and, to some extent, Hertford. I welcome this as an effective deterrent and a reassurance to the community.
Reply ID 46250
Maybe, after a period of 'suck it and see' then further powers (with training) may be bestowed upon PCSOs? This may answer some of the comments seen on this thread.
Reply ID 51314
When does Hertford Police Station move to Hale Road?
Reply ID 51315
quote:must be soon, Yellow AA signs for the new Police Station are up on the A414
Originally posted by Earthmother
When does Hertford Police Station move to Hale Road?
Reply ID 51317
Monday 14th April
Reply ID 52311
[url="http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury%2Dnews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=313522"]Any clues anyone[/url]
Reply ID 52314
Perhapas there is a Police Baseball team?
quote:
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
[url="http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury%2Dnews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=313522"]Any clues anyone[/url]
Reply ID 52318
quote:Possibly the brown bags were a take-away demanded with menaces. Truncheon meat sandwiches and souperintendant of the day for the boys back at the nick as an alternative to eating in their own arrestaurant.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Perhapas there is a Police Baseball team?quote:
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
[url="http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury%2Dnews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=313522"]Any clues anyone[/url]
Reply ID 52327
Awful but funny Shunt
quote:
Originally posted by shuntquote:Possibly the brown bags were a take-away demanded with menaces. Truncheon meat sandwiches and souperintendant of the day for the boys back at the nick as an alternative to eating in their own arrestaurant.
Originally posted by Wrapper
Perhapas there is a Police Baseball team?quote:
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
[url="http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/hertfordshiremercury%2Dnews/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=313522"]Any clues anyone[/url]