Topic ID 1246
This is a continuation of a dormant thread which has been reopened by the following post:
quote:
Originally posted by imi
Continuing from the Hello Mum, We're Yobs post ([url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay1/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1243"]here[/url]), I am a 13 year old GIRL. Sorry if I didn't make it particularly clear before. So playing football would not be an option. There really is nothing for teenagers in Hertford. The only youth groups are run by churches and if you're not religious then they're not applicable. I go to a scout group and a drama class on weekend evenings and I go to music school on Saturday mornings but there is nothing to do other than that at the weekend. It's too expensive for us to go to cinemas every weekend and our parents get fed up of giving us lifts to stevenage and hatfield. The buses are terrible, as are the trains. So, what are young people meant to do?
Reply ID 14618
aaah i'm really sorry if i'm mucking this place up!
Reply ID 14619
quote:No, it's ok, we're just continuing a tradition of trying to make new members to the forum welcome by jumping to conclusions about them, having a go at thier beliefs and generally making assumptions about them BEFORE taking time out to understand or consider who they are. Clearly Nora thinks you should be out there earning a living, bringing in the rent for your family because, like all teenager, you are inherently lazy. My own views are slightly different but you have brought about a lively debate and been brave enough to enter the fray. You've done anything but muck it up.
Originally posted by imi
aaah i'm really sorry if i'm mucking this place up!
Reply ID 14620
absolutely, we love to encourage new people here INCLUDING teenagers etc, after all we need to hear your views too! [:D][:D] No point in moaning and complaining about 'nothing to do' etc if you're not seen to stand up for yourself/do something about it [;)]
Reply ID 14621
Indeed, it was Nora Batty who went completely off topic in the last thread. If you look at my posts from other threads you will be able to gather that I agree that there is not a lot for teenagers to do in Hertford. Seems you do quite a bit though imi music lessons etc.
Reply ID 14622
Welcome IMI! Sometimes you might need to be a bit thick skinned here, particularly if you have a minority view, but that is half the fun. I for one saw the videos that have been in question and I though they were quite funny. If the police take action against these lads then they are even more out of touch than they already seem. As far is your question is concerned. The answer is simple and ageless. What are young people supposed to do? Do whatever you want to do, as long as it is within the law and does not have a negative effect on others. I grew up in Hertford. The buses were always rubbish. The trains were always rubbish. Without sounding too old, in my day, there was even less than there is now. There were fewer clubs, less activities, only 4 TV channels and no mainstream video games. Hertford is a small county town. It will never have ideal facilities. So what did we do? We just hung out. At each others homes, or down the park, or out on bikes, or we took the crappy train/bus to Stevenage or Waltham Cross. We did it because the alternative was to wallow in self pity and get bored. Rightly or wrongly, the youth of today are giving the impression that it the older generations role to provide entertainment for the younger generation. This doesn’t wash with the older generation, because in their time, they provided their own entertainment, without resorting too much of the teen crime we hear about every day on the news. Can I ask you a question? What do young people want to do?
Reply ID 14623
Compared to lots of other people my age I do loads. It's annoying though, because us young people get bad names because of the few bad things that happen. Personally I would like a youth club/group to hang out at. I'd like somewhere where I could go to with a (sometimes large)group of friends and not be criticised for "moping about". That's what we enjoy doing, doing nothing, just talking and enjoying eachothers' company. We don't neccesarily (sp?) want to be actively "doing" something, we just want places where we can go, preferably inside, to hang out. For example, in Ware, there is the Warehouse which has space for teenagers to sit around in, it has ping pong tables, a snooker table etc. I expect the teenagers in Ware pay a small amount of money to go there but we don't mind that. We have to pay to go to other towns so I'm sure we wouldn't mind paying to do something worthwhile near our homes, where our parents know we are safe. If there were adults who would volunteer to help organise things for us to do we would do them. If there was more promotion of youth clubs and discos for young people then we would go to them. Although the corn exchange has a disco every 2 weeks that has turned into a "chavvy" thing to go to. Mostly, the people who go to those discos are the tarty girls and the rough boys. The corn exchange has got a bad reputation amongst my friends. The corn exchange building could be a prime location for a new youth group/place for young people to go to. The room upstairs is large enough for people to go to, the toilets are OK, there's a working kitchen. It would get teenagers off the streets and give us something to do at weekends/holidays. What do you think?
Reply ID 14624
I think you are dead right about the Corn exchange, on both points. It has never been used enough (same goes for the Castle Hall) and would be a great facility for teenagers to do more. IMI, would you and your mates be interested in being the instigators of something new? What would you want to go on inside if you had your way one night a week? One of our members here (John!?) has a lot of contacts in the town centre. He could point you in the right direction. There may even be adults here who can help set it up.
Reply ID 14625
I'd have to chat to my mates about this, but I would definitely be interested. It would be good if it was open for teenagers to go and have somewhere to hang out, maybe watch DVDs, do homework and stuff together. Parents often get annoyed if we have more than a couple of friends over as we can be quite loud/hyper together. If we meet up in town it's not very safe and there's nowhere to go. So having the corn exchange or somewhere similar open for us to go to would be an advantage to teenagers and parents. If anyone is interested in helping set up something like what I've mentioned that would be great.
Reply ID 14626
The promlem imi would be, the council would have to provide youth leaders and that would cost them money, parents seem to be to busy and even if they did set up a voluntary group the security checks, insurance so. on. and so. on. would prove to much hassle to the majority of parents. What the answer is for a good run nightly Youth Club? I do not know, this has me thinking now, I will look into this a bit more. You will notice a lot of people posting there opinions here that is what the forum is about, but not much way of help will come your way in the means of action groups on here. Maybe if you get a petition together, would have to be circulated around schools in Hertford , the Council may listen to you. At least that will give you something to do and you would be a good citizen in Hertford, contact the Mercury for help, reply to them in the letters page anything to get publicity as long as it is good publicity. Try it you never know, good luck.
Reply ID 14627
Admin, should we now post in Youth Clubs??
Reply ID 14631
a new thread is a good idea, this is all very positive, Hertford has so much for older people to do, it would be really good if there was a variety of things for younger people.
Reply ID 14632
Good Luck IMI = keep plugging on there. Sounds like you are set for a great future.
Reply ID 14633
Imi, you have put your point across very well. Can I suggest that you write to your local councillors and explain your feelings to them. They are there to help. Just because you are not old enough to vote for them doesn't mean you should not have a say. Give it a go and let us know how you get on.
Reply ID 14634
quote:I believe there is actually a Youth Council too. One of the Youth Councillors has been elected onto the Lower Bengeo Neighbourhood Watch Committee.
Originally posted by JohnSmith
Imi, you have put your point across very well. Can I suggest that you write to your local councillors and explain your feelings to them. They are there to help. Just because you are not old enough to vote for them doesn't mean you should not have a say. Give it a go and let us know how you get on.
Reply ID 14635
quote:Not earning a living, but if it's lack of funds stopping you from doing the things you want to do then raise some. I didn't say teenagers are inherently lazy, either. Like adults, some of them are and some of them expect everything that's missing form their lives to be provided by somebody else. It's this sector I'm getting at because this is where the rot sets in. So if anyone is making assumptions, Paul, it's you assuming my opinion based on my single post. I am voicing my opinion as a reaction to Imi's post, but it wasn't formed around it. Welcome, Imi, you've found a new activity in the Forum. You are allowed onto the forum from 13 years of age, so spread the word and you've found another activity for you and your mates.
Originally posted by 2929paul Clearly Nora thinks you should be out there earning a living, bringing in the rent for your family because, like all teenager, you are inherently lazy. My own views are slightly different but you have brought about a lively debate and been brave enough to enter the fray. You've done anything but muck it up.
Reply ID 14639
Welcome, Imi, you come across as intelligent and lucid. The resources in this town are underused. Castle Hall and the Corn Exchange have been the subject of much brow-furrowing over their future and potential uses. What better than to provide a venue for our youngsters to gather for social activity, be it to watch a film, have a chat or collaborate over homework. It's a bl**dy good idea, we'll support you. We all know that red tape is involved in any aspects of youth work these days, but that is there to protect children or young adults, not to hold them back. If the council can find money to twin our town with a Ugandan backwater, then it can maybe divert some parking ticket funds to the benefit of the youth of our good town. It's all a matter of priority. So lobby your councillor, get a petition up - of adults as well as young people - and present a business case to them as to why they should make funds available. Demonstrate how you may be able to contribute funds to the running of the club - if a charge is to be levied to the members, can this charge go towards the youth worker's salarie(s)?. Demonstrate how this proposal is a sound benefit to Hertford and why you are a viable opportunity for them to invest in the town's future. You're more likely to get a fair hearing/funding if you do this. Please keep on posting with your thoughts and progress. Good luck.
Reply ID 14640
absolutely, what happened to the youth club that was at Sele School (back in my day lol) - there was a building by the car park we used as 6th formers that was used for it.....
Reply ID 14644
The reason why we do videos is cause it fun and being creative theres nothing to do in Hertford and filming is one thing we do in hertford. what the mercury have shown is only the tip of the ice burg we have done over 5 house of filming and this has been going on for nearly 2 years. well were not stopping filming and will be putting new videos on the internet!not incriminating ones though haha! the creator of cs productions
Reply ID 14646
quote:Ok, ok, sorry, let's not get into this again. There isn't a smilie that says "I'll use nora's post as an example as to how adults can go over the top sometimes and she probably won't mind because i'm just trying to use it make a point to imi." Things come over differently when you type them on the screen to how they sound in your head sometimes. [:X][:)][:I][8D]
Originally posted by nora battyquote:So if anyone is making assumptions, Paul, it's you assuming my opinion based on my single post. I am voicing my opinion as a reaction to Imi's post, but it wasn't formed around it.
Originally posted by 2929paul Clearly Nora thinks you should be out there earning a living, bringing in the rent for your family because, like all teenager, you are inherently lazy. My own views are slightly different but you have brought about a lively debate and been brave enough to enter the fray. You've done anything but muck it up.
Reply ID 14647
Admin perhaps you should unlock it again.. but I will post my reply anyway. I have seen you lot around the town and I am perfectly happy for you to continue, most people will feel the same take a look at the posts... carry on c.s. productions. But remember the old bill will be looking out for you now after these terrible crimes as reported in the Mercury.
Reply ID 14648
quote:I think most of us on here have agreed your films are imaginative and quite entertaining and certainly nobody seems to agree with the Mercury. BTW, for info, the Mercurys are merging into one instead of having regional versions......never could understand why they didn't keep it properly as 'Hertfordshire Mercury' anyway!
Originally posted by csproductions
The reason why we do videos is cause it fun and being creative theres nothing to do in Hertford and filming is one thing we do in hertford. what the mercury have shown is only the tip of the ice burg we have done over 5 house of filming and this has been going on for nearly 2 years. well were not stopping filming and will be putting new videos on the internet!not incriminating ones though haha! the creator of cs productions
Reply ID 14650
quote:As long as you keep letting us see them! [:)]
Originally posted by csproductions
The reason why we do videos is cause it fun and being creative theres nothing to do in Hertford and filming is one thing we do in hertford. what the mercury have shown is only the tip of the ice burg we have done over 5 house of filming and this has been going on for nearly 2 years. well were not stopping filming and will be putting new videos on the internet!not incriminating ones though haha! the creator of cs productions
Reply ID 14660
Why is it you always go of topic, admin locked the last 1 because of your post, now the kids have re-opened another 1. Realy it is dificuilt to tell who is teenagers and adults on here at the moment, stop having a go at each other and use it as a forum the way it is supposed to be will you please. SORRY ADMIN.
Reply ID 14663
quote:Isn't that the pygmy calling the dwarf short!!!
Originally posted by Dell Boy
Why is it you always go of topic, admin locked the last 1 because of your post, now the kids have re-opened another 1. Realy it is dificuilt to tell who is teenagers and adults on here at the moment, stop having a go at each other and use it as a forum the way it is supposed to be will you please. SORRY ADMIN.
Reply ID 14667
You have not posted a relevant comment on here today Batty... Now back to topic.Keep us posted when your next film goes on line, but remember do not try anything dangerous and keep within the law c.s. productions.
Reply ID 14676
I see you have erased your post then calling a other forum member a ignorant git..Good job aswell, I do not think admin would have been to happy to see that 1 Batty. For your info. I have pasted it. The post was posted after 2929paul, had second thougts then?
Reply ID 14680
quote:I didn't call anyone an "ignorant" git. And who's off topic now, Dell?
Originally posted by Dell Boy
I see you have erased your post then calling a other forum member a ignorant git..Good job aswell, I do not think admin would have been to happy to see that 1 Batty. For your info. I have pasted it. The post was posted after 2929paul, had second thougts then?
Reply ID 14685
Clearly you do not understand computers your posts will still be logged at Admin even though you thougt you would erase them before any 1 else seen it, what a liar you are, wait and see I have also pasted them do not want to take the item further because you are clearly trying to get my wrist slapped from admin, God you do not even understand what pasting is.
Reply ID 14689
quote:My post said "patronizing" git, not "ignorant". And I withdrew the remark because it offended you and therefore perhaps others. And you were right, it was off-topic. So, I am not a liar and I'm not going to get drawn into a public slanging match with you. I know from previous experience that Admin will remove any posts that are off topic or offensive, and I fully expect to see a whole load of this stuff go. That is my last post on the subject.
Originally posted by Dell Boy
Clearly you do not understand computers your posts will still be logged at Admin even though you thougt you would erase them before any 1 else seen it, what a liar you are, wait and see I have also pasted them do not want to take the item further because you are clearly trying to get my wrist slapped from admin, God you do not even understand what pasting is.
Reply ID 14691
im not sure if you will class this as going off the topic or not but i as a teenager agree that the idea of a youth club in hertford would be brilliant if every one worked together to get it and make it some where enjoyable to go but there is the small task in getting the ceperate groups of hertford to join in. I know my self that from being in the "alternative" scene the "chavs" or "townies" how ever people wish to know each other as dont exactly favour our company and find many ways to get at us, be it verbally or phsically and feel that maybe mixing us would be cause more trouble than befor? maybe im wrong.
Reply ID 14693
Easy solution, a night for chavs, a night fot Goths etc. they used to be Punks and Heavy Rockers in my day and that is the way it worked. We were all young once and adults sometimes seem to forget even when they post on here.
Reply ID 14694
i see where your coming from but people dont seem to understand the grief we get from chavs. we've had eggs thrown at us from jsut walking past them. One of my frineds has had a gang after him just by purely saying to some one he wasnt affraid of them and they wanted to show him they should be. And most of the time we dont do or say anything. Just walk past. i know some of the guys will some time turn around and retaliate which doesnt help but 9 times out ot 10 that isnt the case they just pick on us, try and start fights etc. What would happen after we left?
Reply ID 14697
quote:I do understand, but I'm probably less emotional as it was a long time ago when it happended to me. I was a "semi" goth (Love & Bullets rather than The Damned). So I got picked on a lot. The reason you have it harder now, is the level of violence people are willing to go to. I got a kicking. You could get a stabing.
Originally posted by slownightsolong
i see where your coming from but people dont seem to understand the grief we get from chavs. we've had eggs thrown at us from jsut walking past them. One of my frineds has had a gang after him just by purely saying to some one he wasnt affraid of them and they wanted to show him they should be. And most of the time we dont do or say anything. Just walk past. i know some of the guys will some time turn around and retaliate which doesnt help but 9 times out ot 10 that isnt the case they just pick on us, try and start fights etc. What would happen after we left?
Reply ID 14700
i think any one would rather a kicking than a stabbing. prefrably neither. i just hate the way things have become. I dont know y i even started ranting. It being winter, dark and all its become much more of an issue for us girls.
Reply ID 14706
I don't think having a night for goths, chavs etc would work very well because there are some people who just don't fit into those groups, eg me! Everyone's an individual and being classed into these groups makes some people(not neccesarily me) really unhappy.
Reply ID 14707
These ideas might be outdated, but there does seem to be an expectation that persons between the ages of 12 and 18 need to go out every night. And they complain that there is not enough for them to do when they do go out. Surely there are options such as staying in and watching TV/doing homework. Having a few friends over and watching a video - probably safer than trying to negotiate public transport to the nearest cinema. Perhaps go out in the daytime and kick a football around the park Maybe get on a mountain bike and explore some of the surrounding area. There are things to do, but even over 18's would be hard pressed to find interesting and free things to do every weekend. imi has mentioned she attends a Scout Group, Drama Class and Music School at the weekend. Surely this doesn't count as "nothing to do" and just for reference, don't assume that you need to be religious to attend a youth group run by a church. That may be the case for some groups but not all of them.
Reply ID 14714
quote:I'm not![:D] (Sorry, couldn't resist, now waiting for Admin to remove this on grounds of flippancy!)
Originally posted by imi
Everyone's an individual
Reply ID 14717
quote:I've just logged on for the first time since last night. If this off topic slanging match was caused by me, my apologies to admin. I'm not totally on the bandwagon that say cs productions are cool and did nothing wrong, by the way. My original postings were along the lines that it wasn't perfect social behaviour, it did no-one any harm, there are mitigating circumstances for the way teenagers behave in Hertford and they could do something about it, if they were really serious about wanting to. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Originally posted by nora battyquote:My post said "patronizing" git, not "ignorant". And I withdrew the remark because it offended you and therefore perhaps others. And you were right, it was off-topic. So, I am not a liar and I'm not going to get drawn into a public slanging match with you. I know from previous experience that Admin will remove any posts that are off topic or offensive, and I fully expect to see a whole load of this stuff go. That is my last post on the subject.
Originally posted by Dell Boy
Clearly you do not understand computers your posts will still be logged at Admin even though you thougt you would erase them before any 1 else seen it, what a liar you are, wait and see I have also pasted them do not want to take the item further because you are clearly trying to get my wrist slapped from admin, God you do not even understand what pasting is.
Reply ID 14718
It was my understanding that the Castle Hall will be operating a Cinema at some point later thjis year, so that saves people having to go to Stevenage/Hatfield. Mind you, what sort of pseating/picture/sound quality we can expect from a temporary installation I'm not too sure. I thought most kids around 13-18 years old hung out in a certain public house named after some birds that are rather dark in colour and then went to a nightclub named after the number between -1 and 1
Reply ID 14723
What amazes me more than anything is that anyone is happy to call themselves a chav after all the mocking that they have received in the media over the last couple of years.
Reply ID 14727
quote:Would you honestly want a bunch of loud foul mothed 17 year olds in your house watching a movie? I know my mum certianly hates it when we bundle in to my house on a saturday night due to lack of safe places. Unless people become alot more open minded mixing just isnt going to work. I swear people dont understand that.
Originally posted by jez_p
Having a few friends over and watching a video - probably safer than trying to negotiate public transport to the nearest cinema.
Reply ID 14728
I agree. I was amazed to hear that there is a teenage group WILLINGLY known as Chavs! That is a knew one on me. So what do they stand for? I would love to know more.....
Reply ID 14729
quote:Main Entry: chav Part of Speech: noun Definition: the lower class; uneducated and ignorant people
Originally posted by Mrs Meldrew
I agree. I was amazed to hear that there is a teenage group WILLINGLY known as Chavs! That is a knew one on me. So what do they stand for? I would love to know more.....
Reply ID 14733
quote:When I was 17 (and it isn't so long ago I am still in my 20s Just) our parents didn't mind us congregating in the houses. Bear in mind we weren't large groups (about 5 or 6 of us) and we certainly weren't foul mouthed. I think we need to look at this issue constructively rather than saying there is nothing to do provide some ideas of what there should be to do.
Originally posted by slownightsolong
Would you honestly want a bunch of loud foul mothed 17 year olds in your house watching a movie? I know my mum certianly hates it when we bundle in to my house on a saturday night due to lack of safe places. Unless people become alot more open minded mixing just isnt going to work. I swear people dont understand that.
Reply ID 14735
quote:Chav means. C = Council H = House A = And V = Violent Lesson over. Have a good day all.
Originally posted by Mrs Meldrew
I agree. I was amazed to hear that there is a teenage group WILLINGLY known as Chavs! That is a knew one on me. So what do they stand for? I would love to know more.....
Reply ID 14736
Their highest accolade is to appear on the Jeremy Kyle show. Caught it last week whilst off work. One girl got slated by Mr Kyle then turned to him and said "do I look bovvered?"
Reply ID 14739
quote:....and Hertford means H = Here E = Everyone R = Reads T = The F = Forum O = Of R = Relevant D = Discussions Sorry, I know, off topic, I'll go and put my fingers under a double decker bus again....[:D]
Chav means. C = Council H = House A = And V = Violent Lesson over. Have a good day all.
Reply ID 14751
quote:Really? Do we know this for certain? Any timescale?
Originally posted by smileyoriley
BTW, for info, the Mercurys are merging into one instead of having regional versions......never could understand why they didn't keep it properly as 'Hertfordshire Mercury' anyway!
Reply ID 15049
Youth clubs for those aged 15+? I thought it was the White Hart.
Reply ID 15050
I used to go to a youth group in the hall down the Ware Road, it was opposite what used to be the paper/sweet shop now a betting shop and an indian resturant. It was great for a while, exactly how imi has described her perfect youth club........table tennis, pool tables, organised games and competitions and every once in a while a disco or fancy dress night or an organised trip out to the cinema. Problem was soon enought the Chavs of my day took a liking to the place and started terrorizing all the regular goers, the adults in charge could not handle the situation and closed the place down. Who owns that hall now? could this be used again for a youth club?
Reply ID 15059
quote:It is. Called ZOO. Tuesday and Friday evenings from 7pm. Church run but no religion involved. Arrange trips out during school holidays.
Originally posted by Nicky
I used to go to a youth group in the hall down the Ware Road, it was opposite what used to be the paper/sweet shop now a betting shop and an indian resturant. It was great for a while, exactly how imi has described her perfect youth club........table tennis, pool tables, organised games and competitions and every once in a while a disco or fancy dress night or an organised trip out to the cinema. Problem was soon enought the Chavs of my day took a liking to the place and started terrorizing all the regular goers, the adults in charge could not handle the situation and closed the place down. Who owns that hall now? could this be used again for a youth club?