Hertford Mosque Planning Application

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby MultiDad » Sun 08 Mar, 2015 8:05 pm

I doubt very much there's been an application. I do however notice a strong socialist twang to this thread. This is very much out if step with Hertfird and its environs. Just because some out there in Hertford object to something, makes them bigots? Or racists? Or both? Hmmm, seems the left has a problem with free speech if it doesn't match their version of the world. Having driven to London and back today, I failed to notice the utopia that multi-cultural Britain is supposed to be.

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby Steve » Sun 08 Mar, 2015 9:14 pm

MultiDad wrote:I do however notice a strong socialist twang to this thread.

Seriously? I'd be interested to known what comments suggest a socialist point of view.

MultiDad wrote:This is very much out if step with Hertford and its environs.

That a matter of opinion.

MultiDad wrote:Just because some out there in Hertford object to something, makes them bigots? Or racists? Or both?

No it doesn't. What does however is their reasoning (or lack of it).

MultiDad wrote:Hmmm, seems the left has a problem with free speech if it doesn't match their version of the world.

"The left" (as you put it) is every bit in favour of free speech as anyone else. However, that doesn't mean that ignorance and prejudice should go unchallenged.

As I wrote earlier, there is no planning application. All planning applications are a matter of public record and available for scrutiny online. Similarly, the agendas and minutes of all council meetings are available online. Whoever started to the Spotted discussion and petition made no attempt to provide any background information and recklessly posted as a fact something that was untrue.

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby MultiDad » Mon 09 Mar, 2015 12:55 pm

the comments have a leftie twang because as with most on the left, anyone who dares criticise multi-culturalism (whether the planning apps are real or imagined) is instantly called prejudiced.... that's what Labour left us with...their poorly thought thru and nasty definitions of what is 'ok to think'.

Criticise immigration - must be a racist
object to other 'cultures' - must be bigoted
wants to leave EU - little Englander

as for free speech, wasn't it New Liebour who brought in the law dictating that you can't criticise someone else's belief?

sure, I've looked on Spotted in Hertford and there's plenty of people on there who you wouldn't want in your house, but I object to the smugness that a couple of commenters put on here suggesting they they know better.

and as for out of step with Hertford and it's environs, yes it is. Check the bookies sites out and you'll find the Tories are 100-1 ON to win this seat again. so, if you did a poll of the local populus, you would probably find the vast majority don't want a mosque or similar in the town.

btw, as an atheist, i would object to a new building or conversion of existing for any of the major superstitions including C of E.

my two cents

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby SloopJohnB » Mon 09 Mar, 2015 1:34 pm

MultiDad - I Know I am going to be accused of going widely off topic but in your original post you did say 'socialist twang'. Today this is 'leftie twang' and then you go on to talk about New Labour. Being a man with some very odd political views there is no common link between socialism and New Labour - the 'S' word is never mentioned, certainly never more after they dropped Clause 4. As for being 'leftie' that is certainly not New Labour either. I have to wait for the TV news bulletins to put up the person's name and party because at first view they all look, speak and talk the same from every part of the political spectrum. Same on Question Time. This forum is very much like the BBC - everyone accuses it and its members of being right, left and in the centre.

This constituency of Hertford and Bishops Stortford is one of the safest Tory seats in the country. You won't find this on anyone's top hundred seats to target. I have found myself at odds sometimes with many Tory politicians - all of whom I have known for a long time and really quite like - by suggesting that a blue rosette will guarantee a vote.

I am a Londoner and not by choice I have spent the last couple of months going back and forth. It is not the London of my youth. Hertford on the other hand is almost totally white. It would be found guilty as was the producer of Midsomer Murders who hardly ever apparently cast a non-white in the series. Basically because in some parts of the country still, there are no non-whites, or very few. And even I noticed in The Casual Vacancy and some other awful SKY crime one-off set in the Cotswolds we had to have a token black, Indian, mixed race etc etc.

The idea of a mosque to go back to where this started is just another recycled rumour that I have heard all my time in this town since 1980. As I used to say to my staff in the Bank believe the amount of your Christmas bonus once you have spent it; otherwise believe nothing.

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby Steve » Mon 09 Mar, 2015 2:20 pm

MultiDad wrote: ... as for free speech, wasn't it New Liebour who brought in the law dictating that you can't criticise someone else's belief?

No, it wasn't. There's no such law.

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Re: Hertford Mosque Planning Application

Postby Darcy Sarto » Mon 09 Mar, 2015 4:07 pm

MultiDad wrote:
Criticise immigration - must be a racist
object to other 'cultures' - must be bigoted
wants to leave EU - little Englander



Criticise anyone who criticises immigration - must be a socialist
Object to anyone who objects to other "cultures" - must be a leftie
Doesn't want to leave the EU - New Labour

Faulty or no logic works (or doesn't) in any direction....

If the cap fits......


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