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Discover Hertford Online ForumTalk about Hertford 2020-07-04T07:38:02+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/app.php/feed/forum/5 2020-07-04T07:38:02+01:002020-07-04T07:38:02+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1024&p=6388#p6388 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • COVID lockdown]]>
What depressed me is the number of motorists still feeling so possessive of their tin box that they continued to block pavements despite the lighter traffic levels. Inconsiderate sheep.

Statistics:Posted by highwayman — Sat 04 Jul, 2020 7:38 am

]]> 2019-11-10T22:24:39+01:002019-11-10T22:24:39+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6377#p6377 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: The Ware Road ditch]]>

Statistics:Posted by Toady — Sun 10 Nov, 2019 10:24 pm

]]> 2019-11-10T13:16:13+01:002019-11-10T13:16:13+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6376#p6376 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: The Ware Road ditch]]> Statistics:Posted by SloopJohnB — Sun 10 Nov, 2019 1:16 pm

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Traffic & Parking?
Sorry, what was the question?

Statistics:Posted by HertfordEastEnd — Thu 07 Nov, 2019 11:07 pm

]]> 2019-09-22T21:28:44+01:002019-09-22T21:28:44+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6372#p6372 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: The Ware Road ditch]]> Statistics:Posted by Toady — Sun 22 Sep, 2019 9:28 pm

]]> 2019-09-22T10:00:40+01:002019-09-22T10:00:40+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6371#p6371 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: The Ware Road ditch]]> Statistics:Posted by highwayman — Sun 22 Sep, 2019 10:00 am

]]> 2019-08-24T00:32:50+01:002019-08-24T00:32:50+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6355#p6355 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: The Ware Road ditch]]> Statistics:Posted by Steve — Sat 24 Aug, 2019 12:32 am

]]> 2019-08-23T22:46:24+01:002019-08-23T22:46:24+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1020&p=6354#p6354 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • The Ware Road ditch]]>
Anyway reading this article had me thinking about where this Ware Road ditch might have been? And ideas?

For those of you interested, I have pasted the letter below, and I doubt the author will mind as I am sure that he or she is now long since departed Ware Road and shuffled off this mortal coil. The letter is below:

"THE WARE ROAD DITCH.—WATE SUPPLY (To the Editor of the Heetfobd Meecuby.) Sib, am glad to observe that one of your correspondents has directed attention to the state of the Ware Road Ditch, which is nearly as great nuisance to the public who resort to the Ware Road as a promenade on the fine summer evenings as to those who, like me, are residents. I have often complained the state of the ditch, and have been told that all will be set right when the ew River Company have made their sewer. I however understand that the Company's sewer will pass along Back-street; and, in that case, do not see how the sewer will affect the Ware Road Ditch. The Company only bound to divert such sewage as already runs into the river, and as the sewage of the ditch runs nowhere, but lies and festers beneath the hot sun, or sinks into the bed of the ditch, they can have nothing to do with it. Let us then not be put off with excuses of this kind. The ditch might easily be converted into sewer for the houses in the Ware-road, which are rapidly increasing in number. Why, then, are not steps taken to adapt to this purpose? the bottom were properly levelled, and the ditch covered in, the present nuisance would be abated, and the ditch would be ready to be connected with the main sewer the New River Company, when that is completed. But when this is suggested, it is objected that there is not sufficient fall to carry off the sevv age,and that there is no water to flush the ditch with. This is as much to say that the Corporation cannot perform one duty to the public, because it has neglected to perform another. Why are the east and north ends of the town without water, when there is so ample a supply around us? We East-endians can almost echo the agonized outcry of Coleridge's "Ancient Mariner"— " Water, water, every where, and not a drop to drink." At least, if have it to drink, owe thanks only to our pumps. Por water for other uses —to which pump-water either unsuited, or cannot applied— aro wholly dependent on skiey influences." When the rain falls in heavy showers, our water-tubs filled, and our ditch washed on*'. At other times, when water most precious, and our ditch most offensive, we have it not. Now, I take it that the first duty the governing body of a towr. to apply its natural resources so as to make them tributary to the comfort and advantage of the inhabitants. this done in Hertford Why, wo are obliged to go to the river for water to lay the dust on our east-end roads, because not drop can be sparec from the mains in Pore-street, there not beins: encugh to supply the private wants of the householders in the narrow district of the town over which the water mains extend. And yet, the valley in which the town lies intersected with streams which offer an supply. All that is wanting is greater lifting power, and larger mains laid down through a mere extended district. If I ask why what is wanted is not done ? I am told that the water works cannot be improved nor the main3 extended, without money,and that money cannot be borrowed on water-rents. Now, I ask, has the Corporation ever tried ? Has ascertained that people who have got money to lend, will not lend on the security of water-rents ? I think not. For my own part. I cannot understand that water rents are greatly inferior, as a security, to water rates. The latter I kcowcan be legally enforced, whilo tho payment of the former depands upon the user of the water, and is so far optional. But what an option! when water is as necessary to us asthe bread we eat. Suffer me then.Mr. Editor, through your columns, to entreat the Corporation not to make difficulties, nor suffer others to make difficulties for them ; but boldly to take "the bull by the horns," and give us water. I warrant there will be no difficulty in getting the money, if they energetically sot about their proper work ; and that, the improvement and extension of the water works will be found to pay. Private companies can buy water, and then realize almost fabulous profits by selling it again; and it wHl be strange if we who have the water for nothing, cannot be supplied without loss. I am, Sir, yours respectfully, EAST-ENDIAN. Ware Road, August 6, 1S56."

Statistics:Posted by HertfordEastEnd — Fri 23 Aug, 2019 10:46 pm

]]> 2019-07-15T15:31:43+01:002019-07-15T15:31:43+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1014&p=6331#p6331 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Sainsbury Parking]]>
When we got the second ticket my wife went into Sainsbury to find out what is going on. The manager said she would cancel the second ticket but she couldn't cancel the first ticket as we have appealed.

I just wondered if anybody else has had similar problems?

It has got to the point where my wife is going to no longer shop at Sainsbury (as she doesn't trust the ticket machine).

My wife never got any tickets with the old system. I also find it strange that Horizon provide staff onsite helping with the ticket machines (so long after they were introduced).

Statistics:Posted by theadmans — Mon 15 Jul, 2019 3:31 pm

]]> 2019-07-12T16:59:39+01:002019-07-12T16:59:39+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1007&p=6330#p6330 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: Disappearing cycle lanes on North Road]]> https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/about- ... ovdelivery

Statistics:Posted by TcfL — Fri 12 Jul, 2019 4:59 pm

]]> 2019-06-19T21:13:55+01:002019-06-19T21:13:55+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1007&p=6316#p6316 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: Disappearing cycle lanes on North Road]]> Statistics:Posted by Toady — Wed 19 Jun, 2019 9:13 pm

]]> 2019-06-17T21:56:59+01:002019-06-17T21:56:59+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1007&p=6314#p6314 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: Disappearing cycle lanes on North Road]]>
I'm aware of the Commissioners' opinions. And I've offered mine. Not as an expert by any means, but as a cyclist (think baggy commuter rather than Lycra racer) who covers 3000 miles a year in Hertford and London. I remain of the view that anything that serves to remind drivers and cyclists of one another's presence should be a good thing. My logic is limited by a presumption that, whether two or four wheeled, we aim to coexist within the limited confines of the highway. As a former local authority traffic engineer (long before I became a cyclist) I can also see that councils have a tricky balance to strike; spend hundreds of thousands on schemes which cover a fraction of the network, or spread the jam (or paint) thinner accepting less segregation and greater coverage. The choice isn't back and white (or even green and tarmac-coloured). Take North Road as our case study; to achieve segregation (and design standards) along there would mean taking out a verge, row of mature trees and a footway on the Cedar Close side of the road. How acceptable would that be for elected members to sell to residents and drivers? All a bit academic since those particular lanes are gone now.

London is often held up as the (British) exemplar of cycling infrastructure, with current and previous Mayors claiming to have outdone one another in terms of miles of "Cycle Superhighway" delivered. But the approach has been modified of late to offer a wider range of routes to suit a wider range of cyclists, from (painted) Quietways to full segregation. I use both on my daily commute and can't say I could value one over the other. The segregated routes are used by fast (and sometimes pushy) cyclists looking to overtake the likes of me whereas on the quieter advisory routes you're in with the traffic and need to trade on courtesy and understanding. Which means cycling as you would drive (so no pinching those red lights!)

The moral of my story? In my view you'll be an even older and baggier cyclist than I if you wait for segregated nirvana before you get in the saddle. Get some training, start small and see if you can build up a bit of road confidence. Learn to ride to the conditions and to give and receive courtesy. In 6 years and 18000 miles of cycling I've been fetched off the bike less than a dozen times; half of those in the wet or ice with nobody else involved (you feel such a fool!) and the other half taking evasive action to avoid other cyclists and pedestrians in roughly equal measure.

Statistics:Posted by Toady — Mon 17 Jun, 2019 9:56 pm

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... missioners

Statistics:Posted by Steve — Mon 17 Jun, 2019 2:01 am

]]> 2019-06-12T20:33:43+01:002019-06-12T20:33:43+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1007&p=6311#p6311 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: Disappearing cycle lanes on North Road]]> Statistics:Posted by Toady — Wed 12 Jun, 2019 8:33 pm

]]> 2019-06-12T18:35:44+01:002019-06-12T18:35:44+01:00 https://www.hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=1007&p=6310#p6310 <![CDATA[Traffic & Parking • Re: Disappearing cycle lanes on North Road]]>
I know they were narrow and got bumpier by the month as HCC did not repair them but isn't having no bike lanes at all on the road to/ from Hertford North even worse?
Frankly, no.

Indicative cycle lanes are completely pointless and offer no additional protection to cyclists whatsoever. They're just a ruse for the council to claim they're supporting cycling. Cyclists need to be properly separated from other traffic, including pedestrians where possible.

Statistics:Posted by Steve — Wed 12 Jun, 2019 6:35 pm

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